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4th edition makes no real distinction between battle and regular magic.

There's technically nothing stopping a starter Apprentice Wizard fresh into their first adventure having Transformation of Kadon, Magma Storm or Comet of Cassandora other than the sky-high Casting Number making it impractical to use with starter level stats and the GM saying "no".
I honestly think that's a better way to do it, have the spells, but have a note for the GM that they are big deals, and there better be a reason in the universe for why an Apprentice Wizard would have such a spell.
 
What makes you think she didn't make that choice in that timeline?
Necromancers look to the death/slavery dichotomy and ask "why not both?" after all

Maybe because of the very first line indicating you are bringing something connected to this topic?

While we're on the subject of Good/notevil necromancers I managed to write a thing!

As that line seems to attempting to grab the attention of showing dangling a possibility of "good " necromancer Mathilde unless it was done to catch their attention to show a evil necromancer Mathilde. In which case carry on then.
 
4th edition makes no real distinction between battle and regular magic.

In fact there's technically nothing stopping a starter Apprentice Wizard fresh into their first adventure having Transformation of Kadon, Magma Storm or Comet of Cassandora other than the sky-high Casting Number making it impractical to use with starter level stats and the GM saying "no".
If I was the GM I'd say yes and laugh as either the player with too much Hubris drowns in comedic misscasts, or rolls well enough to become a story for the ages.

"Have I ever told you bout the time one of my players was a widely renowned battle magic apprentice? See, it went a bit like this…"
 
So @Boney as there is serious likelihood that we will be invoked with at least one ritual next turn: what level of books can we get from: A the colleges, and B: the elf's.

Because we currently have +0 book bonus in rituals.

And that just won't do!

Full +5 from the Colleges, none from the Elves. That'd be books on ritual theory and reference materials useful for constructing rituals, rather than outright full of rituals that you can go out and do. All the Colleges keep their rituals pretty tightly under wraps.
 
Ok so looks like we are going to buy ritual books from the colleges for waystone actions and cooking books for the mushrooms.
 
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@Boney If we do the scribes action for KAU next turn, would that get us the Halfling cookbooks from the Mootland Library for a +5 Imperial bonus to the Windsoak Mushrooms action (assuming we also do that next turn), or do we need to purchase Imperial books on Cooking at the end of this turn for that bonus to kick in by the time we start writing?
 
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A Method of Creating Crisp and Evenly-Browned Toast with Azyrric Energy, by J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), L.M. Mathilde Weber (Grey), J. Hubert Denzel (Celestial), 2489.
Observations on Warp Toasting, by L.M. Mathilde Weber (Grey), J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), 2489.
Frothing Milk with Output from a Gyrocopter Steam Chamber, by J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), L.M. Mathilde Weber (Grey), 2489.
A Novel Method for Heating Beer with Output from a Gyrocopter Steam Chamber, by L.M. Mathilde Weber (Grey), J. Red (Bright), 2489.
Roasting Coffee Beans Using the Heated Air Chamber of a Gyrocopter Engine, by J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), 2490.
Grinding Coffee Beans Using the Gearing of a Gyrocopter Rotative Mechanism, by J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), 2490.
Making Coffee In a Gyrocopter Steam Chamber, by J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), L.M. Mathilde Weber (Grey), 2490.
Effects of Coffee on Alertness during Long-Distance Gyrocopter Journeys, by L.M. Mathilde Weber (Grey), J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), J. Panoramia (Jade), 2491.
Effects of Coffee on Alertness during Extended On-Site Waits following Long-Distance Gyrocopter Journeys, by J. Adela Burgstaller (Bright), M. Panoramia (Jade), 2492.
 
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@Boney If we do the scribes action for KAU next turn, would that get us the Halfling cookbooks from the Mootland Library for a +5 Imperial bonus to the Windsoak Mushrooms action (assuming we also do that next turn), or do we need to purchase Imperial books on Cooking at the end of this turn for that bonus to kick in by the time we start writing?
IIRC Boney said that the Halfling books will be coming along... eventually. At some point. I don't think it's something we can necessarily speed along. So we might not want to buy Imperial Cooking books, because it might be redundant with what the Halflings have.

But Boney did say that both Cooking and Fungi books would help out. So we could instead buy Dwarven books on one or both of those - same bonus, even if fluff-wise the Colleges might find it odd that they need to prepare their mushrooms Dwarven-style. Though we need to consider whether such a vote of buying it out-of-pocket stands a chance of winning, when we might see some movement to get books on the Druchii this turn.

I'm distantly hopeful that Borek tells us to spend the money into the Karaz Ankor in any way that directly benefits its people. Then we could guilt-free launder that money into the KAU and the books we need. Not particularly likely but not impossible either, I think. Slayers forgo all possessions.
 
IIRC Boney said that the Halfling books will be coming along... eventually. At some point. I don't think it's something we can necessarily speed along. So we might not want to buy Imperial Cooking books, because it might be redundant with what the Halflings have.
I think avoiding Imperial Cooking just because we'll eventually (at some unknown time) get it, when we have a good use for it this coming turn, is penny-wise and pound-foolish. Besides, presumably what that means is that instead of Halfling cookery books winding up in our library, we'll get books drifting in from other Halfling-related topics that we might find interesting (like their gods).

Currently I'm leaning towards Barak Varr for book purchases, as we can use it for two immediately-relevant topics (Metallurgy, Cooking or Fungi)* instead of one immediately-relevant topic (Rituals).

*Three if Cooking and Fungi library bonuses stack. Boney, I assume they don't stack, but it's worth checking.
 
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I think avoiding Imperial Cooking just because we'll eventually (at some unknown time) get it, when we have a good use for it this coming turn, is penny-wise and pound-foolish. Besides, presumably what that means is that instead of Halfling cookery books winding up in our library, we'll get books drifting in from other Halfling-related topics that we might find interesting (like their gods).

Currently I'm leaning towards Barak Varr for book purchases, as we can use it for two immediately-relevant topics (Metallurgy, Cooking or Fungi) instead of one immediately-relevant topic (Rituals).
Fair enough. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we postponed Rituals and other College books. Certainly, my own plan wouldn't be changed that much over it.

*Three if Cooking and Fungi library bonuses stack. Boney, I assume they don't stack, but it's worth checking.
Sidenote, they do.

@Boney Would library books on both Cooking and Fungi help with writing our Windsoak Mushroom book?
 
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I think avoiding Imperial Cooking just because we'll eventually (at some unknown time) get it, when we have a good use for it this coming turn, is penny-wise and pound-foolish. Besides, presumably what that means is that instead of Halfling cookery books winding up in our library, we'll get books drifting in from other Halfling-related topics that we might find interesting (like their gods).

Currently I'm leaning towards Barak Varr for book purchases, as we can use it for two immediately-relevant topics (Metallurgy, Cooking or Fungi)* instead of one immediately-relevant topic (Rituals).

*Three if Cooking and Fungi library bonuses stack. Boney, I assume they don't stack, but it's worth checking.
Fair enough. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we postponed Rituals and other College books. Certainly, my own plan wouldn't be changed that much over it.
I feel like this is pound foolish in the other direction.

The mushroom book is a side gig, the waystones is the 9 to 5 job.

even if we can only get 1 (Rituals) instead of 3 (Metallurgy, Cooking or Fungi). that 1 is part of the job. it really should have the priority.
 
Wait do we need metallurgy this turn? Because I though we were going hard on tributaries.
The Capstone of the Waystones proper, which is made of a specific type of gold. It's a required part of the process to actually create a Waystone proper.

We're not obliged to attempt to create the tributaries right away, even if I would personally prefer it. We could do the Capstone and something else that's not creating tributaries, and then create tributaries next turn, after getting Ritual books.
 
The Capstone of the Waystones proper, which is made of a specific type of gold. It's a required part of the process to actually create a Waystone proper.

We're not obliged to attempt to create the tributaries right away, even if I would personally prefer it. We could do the Capstone and something else that's not creating tributaries, and then create tributaries next turn, after getting Ritual books.
I know, I thought we were going to put the capstone back 1 more turn.
 
Metallurgy is also part of the job, though, so it's not "job action bonus" vs "side gig bonus", it's "job action bonus" vs "job action bonus and side gig bonus"
not really as strongly as rituals are tho, we have 3 active rituals that we are probably doing at least one of this coming turn.

and we have a guy for Metallurgy (Max)

like, the action priority doesn't feel right: its not "job action bonus" vs "job action bonus and side gig bonus",

its 'very relevant to known coming actions job bonus' vs 'might be relevant to future actions job and side gig bonus'.

the known coming value isn't the same for Rituals and Metallugy for that to be a good comparison.
 
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Wait do we need metallurgy this turn? Because I though we were going hard on tributaries.
I mean, there's no reason we have to. There's no recency bonus mechanic in Waystones that Boney has mentioned, so we don't have to follow up on the tributary work we did last turn, we can poke at a new big topic and see how much work it is.
The Capstone of the Waystones proper, which is made of a specific type of gold. It's a required part of the process to actually create a Waystone proper.

We're not obliged to attempt to create the tributaries right away, even if I would personally prefer it. We could do the Capstone and something else that's not creating tributaries, and then create tributaries next turn, after getting Ritual books.
Yeah, exactly. Honestly, one of my big reasons for veering away from the tributary work is that I really hope our Waystone actions this coming turn can identify some job-relevant magical topics; a Colleges library action gives us four topics, and the best suggestion I've seen so far is one and a half (Rituals plus Rune Magic).
not really as strongly as rituals are tho, we have 3 active rituals that we are probably doing at least one of this coming turn.
Who says? We have so many Waystone actions we can take, there's no reason we have to do tributaries this coming turn if it would be useful to do something else.
 
I know, I thought we were going to put the capstone back 1 more turn.
I mean, plans have been proposed to that intent, but until the actual turn comes up they're really just suggestions. People who propose plans don't control everything. People can always disagree and choose something else. My own plan assumed Ritual books would be bought, but I also made a small variant in private in case we went with Barak Varr.

not really as strongly as rituals are tho, we have 3 active rituals that we are probably doing at least one of this coming turn.

and we have a guy for Metallurgy (Max)

like, the action priority doesn't feel right: its not "job action bonus" vs "job action bonus and side gig bonus",

its 'very relevant to known coming actions job bonus' vs 'might be relevant to future actions job and side gig bonus'.

the known coming value isn't the same for Rituals and Metallugy for that to be a good comparison.
Adding onto what picklepikki said, Metallurgy books will surely stack with Max's own expertise, and Johann's. And at no time before has he contributed his own collection of books that I can remember. This is a net positive.
 
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Who says? We have so many Waystone actions we can take, there's no reason we have to do tributaries this coming turn if it would be useful to do something else.
technically yes, but not following through on the action that seems to be going places is a bit too silly for me.

as for college topics that could be useful for the project or coming ideas:

Rituals: duh

Rune Magic: probably limited, but better then nothing

Jade magic: might help with the tree one. (we only have a +2 currently)

Gold magic: for Max and Johann, and probably has a bit of Metallurgy in it. ( currently only a +2)
 
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