Mopman43
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Yes I edited it right before you made this post. Brain did a jumble. 2515 was another event, I think Lord Mortkin if my memory serves correct.
I prefer to believe that Mathilde wouldn't really go into the negotiation with a "fuck yeah maximum profit" attitude at this point, but instead use it as an excuse to steer Mira's own investigation away from Heidi. After all, there might be a chance that Mira or her people looking into Haupt-Anderssens (without Mathilde's meddling) might expose Heidi all on their own regardless of what Alric does.
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What renegotiate will do would depend on the voters.
I would expect it will end up trying to squeeze all the shinies out of Mira.
Though i guess it could end up with Mathilde trying to steer any potential light college investigation away from anything sensitive, but failure in that could just make them focus more where we don't want to, and could make them start examining things they were not before.
Though i doubt Light College is investigating the empress or her, family, in secret, they probably have better things to do.
I'm actually wondering specifically how many Lord/Lady Magisters each collage has now (Including the patriarchs/matriarchs). These are the ones recorded in Codex's Rolodex post which I didn't think to actually look up until I had nearly finished writing this post:
Average is roughly four.
The Grey's have eight, and I think we can assume that they are an outlier.
Lights have Mira, Alric, Egrimm, and Elrisse at minimum, so at least four.
Jades have Pan's mother, Pannaoth and Arburg at minimum, so at least three.
The Brights have Reicthard, Olenus and Thyrus Gormann for three again.
There were two potential Amber candidates at the duel, plus Dragomas and Luuk Schild who made the dragonstone, so that gives them at least four.
Golds have Gehenna, Stanisława, the nameless challenger who tried to kill Dragomas ,and Feldman, so again at least four.
The Celestials also had one challenger at the duel, so with Maria that also makes at least two.
For the Amethysts we only know about Elspeth I think?
So including Patriarchs/Matriarchs, that's 29 confirmed Lord Magisters, for an average of roughly 3.5 per college. That suggests that there's maybe for or five LM's we don't know about yet—probably in the Amethyst and Celestial colleges, who we've had few interactions with.
And yeah, there are a ton of Grey LM's, it's actually kinda scary just how many there are, but I suppose the Grey's have higher standards in who they recruit and train, which leads itself to being more top heavy.
Average is roughly four.
The Grey's have eight, and I think we can assume that they are an outlier.
Lights have Mira, Alric, Egrimm, and Elrisse at minimum, so at least four.
Jades have Pan's mother, Pannaoth and Arburg at minimum, so at least three.
The Brights have Reicthard, Olenus and Thyrus Gormann for three again.
There were two potential Amber candidates at the duel, plus Dragomas and Luuk Schild who made the dragonstone, so that gives them at least four.
Golds have Gehenna, Stanisława, the nameless challenger who tried to kill Dragomas ,and Feldman, so again at least four.
The Celestials also had one challenger at the duel, so with Maria that also makes at least two.
For the Amethysts we only know about Elspeth I think?
So including Patriarchs/Matriarchs, that's 29 confirmed Lord Magisters, for an average of roughly 3.5 per college. That suggests that there's maybe for or five LM's we don't know about yet—probably in the Amethyst and Celestial colleges, who we've had few interactions with.
And yeah, there are a ton of Grey LM's, it's actually kinda scary just how many there are, but I suppose the Grey's have higher standards in who they recruit and train, which leads itself to being more top heavy.
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The Empress would have been investigated by multiple organisations independently when she came up to the Emperor. After the last Empress, a random eligble lady popping up saying she's the lost heir to a broken family and she'll give up her claim to her house is far too suspicious, so I'm sure the Witch Hunters, Cult of Sigmar, Emperor's Eyes, Light Order, Celestial Order and Grey Order all ran their own independent investigations and came up blank. They would have to have reason to start investigating her again.
We know an average of 3.5, except for the Greys where we actually know all of them, though only because of the cool secret initiation. Chances are, we're missing an average 3.5 or so. I don't see why the greys should have more in total.
(Working their magisters harder which ensures better growth is probably balanced by higher casualties and higher standards for reliability/loyalty, I would guess).
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I'm quite certain that Boney outright said that the Grey Order is more top heavy than other orders. I do not remember the exact phrasing and I'm too tired to go quote hunting, so I summon @picklepikkl.
Please help.
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I did not expect "top-heavy" to be the exact phrasing Boney used. Must have entered my subconcious but refused to register that he actually said it like that.
Also, thank you very much for the assist. You're a real charmer.
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Hilariously, that wasn't even the search term I used to find it. I went for high rank and it was towards the bottom of the first page. Boy did I feel silly.
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I can see the Grey College having more reasons to have more LM's than other colleges. Having more LM's than usual lets them have more err... capability to handle grey college duties unlike other colleges.
Like Fire College does not need as many LM's, but they would have way more battle wizards than the greys.
Like Fire College does not need as many LM's, but they would have way more battle wizards than the greys.
Seeing as there are only 6 votes between the with and without Mira votes and 22 votes to the next plan I think it is safe to say that one of the first two plans will win, so with that in mind what can we expect from talking to Mira? This has been talked about before in terms of the air she can provide from the lights, but has anyone considered that she might be willing and able to come herself which would allow her to take an equal-or near equal part of any investigation as Alric, thus making it to her advantage to start a cooperation between all of us. Beyond that she could provide us with contacts for people who can work with us for the final action to find Albricht, people with an actual reliable sign of approval from the Light Order
Don't get me wrong, I think knowing precisely what sort of cultist we are dealing with would be valuable, but I do not think it is more valuable than all the help Mira could provide.
Don't get me wrong, I think knowing precisely what sort of cultist we are dealing with would be valuable, but I do not think it is more valuable than all the help Mira could provide.
I'd be very surprised if Mira offers anything to assist with the investigation. We're going to her and offering to sabotage Alric's plan and inquiring as to what further resources she can provide for the waystone project. If she does offer, or we ask for, aid with the investigation, that would count as part of Mira's payment to us and weaken the support for the waystone project.
I do not think it is that easy, she is still a light magister and this is still a powerful Chaos Cultist who has been in the warp murdering the hell out of Imperial nobles. I think it is entirely possible even likely that she will offer some baseline support for the investigation because she made those pesky vows back when she joined the colleges. There is a certain deniability when it's just nobles dying, but once Mathilde says it is a chaos ritual her options narrow... just as ours narrowed.
Sure we could choose 'leave' right now, but there is a reason why it has single digit votes.
People have asked me in the past not to assume Alric is incompetent, in spite of the evidence, well I would like to ask people not to assume Mira is entirely without a sense of duty just because she also wants the top job.
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Doesn't the Bright College also have a lot of Mqgisters, because they have a philosophy like « you graduate or you die »?
Given that the Brights are constantly on the frontline and highly visible, I imagine their mortality rate is quite high. On the other hand, Grey wizards rarely expose themselves directly to danger and prefer to infiltrate and stay hidden.
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I'd imagine the brights also have the highest percentage of people who spontaneously manifested older. Given that reaching for a weapon with magic gets you bright before anything else, my bet is that you get a lot of people out of the armies.
So lights are largely orphans, jades are family, brights are probably from battlefields, and I bet greys are a lot like us: adopting children we run across on missions who will become personal apprentices.
Ghur is something I'm curious about, since people either try to avoid the wilds or they are on their way to beastmen, but maybe hunters? Maybe the get the orphans the lights reject for being too rowdy for choirs, sent to the wind of the wild as more suitable.
Celestials would, I bet, be recruited from the noble houses that call on the fortune tellers, since they are the wizards with the most presence in that social milue.
Chamon seems like something apprentice smiths and wrights would have the most chance of awakening focused towards it, but I'm betting that get more volunteers who know they can get rich.
And amethysts... I'm bit really sure I have good ideas for the type of person or place where pulling on amethyst winds before anything else is likely.
So lights are largely orphans, jades are family, brights are probably from battlefields, and I bet greys are a lot like us: adopting children we run across on missions who will become personal apprentices.
Ghur is something I'm curious about, since people either try to avoid the wilds or they are on their way to beastmen, but maybe hunters? Maybe the get the orphans the lights reject for being too rowdy for choirs, sent to the wind of the wild as more suitable.
Celestials would, I bet, be recruited from the noble houses that call on the fortune tellers, since they are the wizards with the most presence in that social milue.
Chamon seems like something apprentice smiths and wrights would have the most chance of awakening focused towards it, but I'm betting that get more volunteers who know they can get rich.
And amethysts... I'm bit really sure I have good ideas for the type of person or place where pulling on amethyst winds before anything else is likely.
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I could see Mira sending some resources of her own to help deal with the situation, yeah. It'll probably come up in the discussion with her - the more help she sends, the less extra credit Mathilde will get with her since Mathilde will have done less of the work of stopping Algard.
So we might get something like:
You gain 3 Abstract Mira Favor Points from promising to sabotage algard. Spend them on:
1 AMFP: Something something library
2 AMFP: Something something WEBMAT
1 AMFP: Mira sends someone to help now
2 AMFP: Mira goes in person now
So we might get something like:
You gain 3 Abstract Mira Favor Points from promising to sabotage algard. Spend them on:
1 AMFP: Something something library
2 AMFP: Something something WEBMAT
1 AMFP: Mira sends someone to help now
2 AMFP: Mira goes in person now
Ambers could be riding the prolonged boost for all it's worth, maybe social Dragomas to find out?
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I think that is the wind for those who are sure they are going to die, remember what Roswita's soul looked like when she thought the necrarch would kill her? So Red is the wind for those who are fighting for their lives and Amethyst is the one for 'taking you bastards with me', though since you would have to get a bone deep realization of mortality it would have to follow a prologed chase or some other long term prelude.
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The something library interest me so much.