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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Altom said:
Sorry, but all the Giant Enemy Crabs in Warhammer had been plundered by the Vampire Coast. :V
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This reminds me. Have you guys ever wondered what a Promethean looks like?

This is the Undead version of one:
Not even the Prometheans are safe from the predations of the Warhammer World.
 
Codex said:
This reminds me. Have you guys ever wondered what a Promethean looks like?

This is the Undead version of one:
Not even the Prometheans are safe from the predations of the Warhammer World.
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And if you compare that to the Rotting Leviathan, it's pretty clear that they're the same species. Antennae, mouthparts, eyestalks, claw structure - might even be the same base model, though the angles make it hard to be sure. So it seems those things can grow really bloody big.

 
Oh wow. There is a ton of similarities between prometheans and slaneeshi units, aren't there? Who made the joke like two pages ago that WHF slaneeshi aesthetics were just the demon prince hitting on the prometheans at the time when the gates broke? (Theoretically locking in that choice, as the super-distorted time up north has to mean that the whole of the objective time line is experienced by the prince as trying to piece together what all happened at the alcohol-fueled rager the night before while hung over.)

I'm starting to think it makes more sense as not a joke. And it could explain the spiky-armor aesthetic thing as trying to look like a crab's antenna?

"SLANEESH! It's been almost ten thousand years, you need to get over those damn crabs already!"

"But ChAOs! They are *perfect*! I want all my things to look like them! Stop talking to me! Go away!"
 
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Glau said:
Oh wow. There is a ton of similarities between prometheans and slaneeshi units, aren't there? Who made the joke like two pages ago that WHF slaneeshi aesthetics were just the demon prince hitting on the prometheans at the time when the gates broke? (Theoretically locking in that choice, as the super-distorted time up north has to mean that the whole of the objective time line is experienced by the prince as trying to piece together what all happened at the alcohol-fueled rager the night before while hung over.)

I'm starting to think it makes more sense as not a joke. And it could explain the spiky-armor aesthetic thing as trying to look like a crab's antenna?
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The Prometheans get some of the least exploration in the Warhammer canon of the three pre-Dragon inhabitants of the Warhammer World (Fimir, Shartak and Prometheans) so I'm happy for any exploration of them. There's a bunch of tidbits across the books about some sort of underwater society, but it's kept immensely vague. To give you guys an idea of what I mean, the southern section of Lustria used to have a Temple City on the coast called Chupayotl that sunk beneat the waves and it is said to be inhabited by some sort of underwater society, although no real details are given (6th Edition Lustria Supplement). Probably a reference to Atlantis or something. In 8th Edition Dark Elves there's a section on the Underworld Sea that the Dark Elves frequent so they can bypass the Boiling Sea to get to the Far Sea, and in there it says that the Underworld Sea is inhabited and includes the ruins of a long lost civilisation.

Whether either of these civilisations have anything to do with the Prometheans or not, I have no idea. They gave no details before they nuked the setting. I guess the deep ocean was always meant to be a mystery, just like in real life.

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Boney said:
Deathfang lifts his head to look at him, and then turns to regard you, a sight that would send most people running. To many citizens of the Empire a dragon is no more than the greatest of beasts, but to those that know their history, dragons are the most ancient race of this world, dating back to before the oldest records of the Elves or the Dwarves. There's a fierce intelligence in those eyes, and to those with the Magesight to see it, raw determination fills every facet of the dragon. Deathfang was born to a world that no longer belongs to his kind, and every passing year increases the weight of that fact atop his enormous shoulders. But Deathfang remains unbent.
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I was going back over Deathfang sections, and this section caught my eye. What does "raw determination" look like in Magesight? Aqshy? Some sort of Chamon/Azyr/Hysh in there? Maybe Ghur? Some of the more complex emotions are hard to work out with the basic Winds.
 
Codex said:
I was going back over Deathfang sections, and this section caught my eye. What does "raw determination" look like in Magesight? Aqshy? Some sort of Chamon/Azyr/Hysh in there? Maybe Ghur? Some of the more complex emotions are hard to work out with the basic Winds.
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Mathilde's Magesight isn't usually capable of reading transient emotional states without accompanying Winds to signpost them, but it's different when a being has been running on that emotion for millennia. She's not so much 'seeing' the determination itself as the grooves that it has worn in Deathfang's soul.
 
Boney said:
Mathilde's Magesight isn't usually capable of reading transient emotional states without accompanying Winds to signpost them, but it's different when a being has been running on that emotion for millennia. She's not so much 'seeing' the determination itself as the grooves that it has worn in Deathfang's soul.
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That is incredibly interesting. It seems to me that it takes a whole lot of determination and willpower for Deathfang to even stay awake, when much of his kin of the same age are sleeping. I absolutely love that description now. It really says a lot about him.
 
Boney said:
So it seems those things can grow really bloody big.
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The ongoing AU adventures of Mathilde, the Great Grey Explorer.

"Listen, you overgrown crab. There are all these massive sea-floor volcanoes and ranges everywhere in this hellishly deep ocean, in clear emulation of a noble mountain range standing proud on land, and you mean to tell me that not one of them still houses their Aquatic Dawi Karak?"
 
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Alliterate said:
The ongoing AU adventures of Mathilde, the Great Grey Explorer.

"Listen, you overgrown crab. There all these massive sea-floor volcanoes and ranges everywhere in this hellishly deep ocean, in clear emulation of a noble mountain range standing proud on land, and you mean to tell me that not one of them still houses their Aquatic Dawi Karak?"
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"Listen, you overgrown apparition. There's all these singular breasts on your daemonic legions, in clear emulation of a lone mountain standing proud on land..."
 
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Codex said:
GW's insistence on never giving any Elf other than Malekith higher than T3 is odd and most likely a balance decision.
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I will post this here as a correction and reminder to myself for the future. End Times Tyrion Incarnate of Khaine has Strength 5 and Toughness 4, not as the result of magic items, but because of Khaine Juice, the strongest steroid of them all. When the Khaine Juice wears off and he becomes an Incarnate of Light he drops to S4 but his Toughness remains at 4. A parting gift for Tyrion to remember Khaine by I suppose. Alarielle also joins him with Strength 4 and Toughness 4 as the Incarnate of Life, so there are technically 3 8th Edition Elves with T4.

Also as a reminder to myself, Nagash Incarnate of Death, Malekith Eternity King (Shadow Incarnate), Alarielle Incarnate of Life and Balthazar Gelt Incarnate of Metal are all Level 5 Wizards in End Times. Not everyone who became an Incarnate gained the ability to cast magic (Karl Sigmar just smashed stuff, Thorgrim and Ungrim are Dwarves, Tyrion leaves that to his brother and Grimgor is Grimgor), but these are the ones who made the most out of being literally bound to a Wind of Magic.
 
Codex said:
Also as a reminder to myself, Nagash Incarnate of Death, Malekith Eternity King (Shadow Incarnate), Alarielle Incarnate of Life and Balthazar Gelt Incarnate of Metal are all Level 5 Wizards in End Times. Not everyone who became an Incarnate gained the ability to cast magic (Karl Sigmar just smashed stuff, Thorgrim and Ungrim are Dwarves, Tyrion leaves that to his brother and Grimgor is Grimgor), but these are the ones who made the most out of being literally bound to a Wind of Magic.
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IIRC both Karl and Ungrim got ability to chuck lightning bolts/ fireballs as bound spells as Incarnates.
 
Altom said:
IIRC both Karl and Ungrim got ability to chuck lightning bolts/ fireballs as bound spells as Incarnates.
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Yes they did, and Grimgor also had a bound spell that affected every Ogre and Greenskin in his army except for himself, buffing their T and S for a turn. It's less actual magical ability and more chucking magic by instinct. Everyone who turned into an Incarnate got some sort of magical upgrade, but the only ones to turn into Level 5 Wizards are Nagash, Gelt, Alarielle and Malekith.
 
Codex said:
Why do they call Slaanesh the "Serpent"? It would be far more accurate to refer to them as the "Crustacean".
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Huh, it's interesting, actually.

So, the Serpent, Hound, Crow, and Eagle as Norscan interpretations of the Chaos Gods comes from Realm of Chaos (5th edition), where it says of the Serpent:
The Great Serpent lives in the sea, and it is said that he can sometimes be seen rising from the depths to consume young maidens and youths. Water is his element, and many of his followers cast themselves down from the Cliffs of Woe to join their god.
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(Page 28)

Is there an unexplored underwater component to Slaanesh? Did they succeed in seducing the Prometheans, and there's a whole crustacean Slaaneshi empire down there?

(Insert crab rave joke here)
 
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