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- Earth
On a different topic.
Is there interest to spend the boon on this?
And which trees would we want?
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
- Thread starter Neablis
- Start date
- Mature Sci-Fi
Is there interest to spend the boon on this?
And which trees would we want?
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Gonna be honest dude.On a different topic.
Is there interest to spend the boon on this?
And which trees would we want?
Can't see shit.
But once we set up OMC colaborative research?
Probably they knock out the OMC simplification tech for us as well as large scale void manufactories.
- Location
- Earth
Open in new tab and zoom in with the + magnifying glass.
If they were, why did we lose hundreds of bots and have Cia blow up part of the hull and have three cogitare butchered? All while having several thousand bots.
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
I think wouldn't change much OMC tech is the fastest ways to make normal Humans big force multiplers rather than yhe galactic redshirt.
F0lkL0re
Officially not an Inquisitor
- Location
- Shetland
On the subject of Gwendolyn I have no preference as both options are useful.
Biology maybe? It's one we haven't really invested all that much in.
Because we were surprised by Dark Eldar. I do not think any number of Bots would have prevented them from getting that first cheap shot. That is what they do.
- Location
- Earth
Updated the draft.
I am finishing the Nova Cannon.
I am doing stuff to earn three boons (Diplomacy Vellkar, Diplomacy Stellar Ascendency to kickstart their military, Research (LS-Machine spirits, Improved OMC) for Stellar Ascendency for CP-check ships.
I am finishing Intelligence Coding, the AI research.
Also having just enough left to finish Faith is my Shield?
Spending the boon we have for more Technology sharing, currently trending towards Cybernetics (because that includes OMC) and Biology.
But I am also considering Ship Design and Physics for the category.
Come and make your case which you prefer
[] Plan: Nova cannons go boom. Boonhunting edition. [Draft]
-[] Idea: Boons! Hunt boons. Earn three boons with this plan. Also get Nova Cannons and Intelligence Coding.
-[] Diplomacy: Ensure that the Vellkar & the Stellar Ascendency come to a profitable arrangement for both of them. Stretch Goal: get basing rights for yourself on Denva Primus. Put all the tech you gave the Stellar Ascendency on the table
-[] Diplomacy: Build the Stellar Ascendency a military academy with Victan's bonus (and at least a normal success)
-[] Research x2 (400 + 85 (Anexa) + 60 (Anexa staff) = 545 RP)
--[] Improved Large-scale Machine spirits (100 RP)
--[] Improved Organic-Machine control (75 RP)
--[] Nova Cannon! (100 RP)
--[] Intelligence Coding (210 RP)
---[] Annexa attempt to gain AI specialty
--[] Faith is my Shield? (60 RP)
-[][Free] Turn over Improved Large-scale Machine spirits and Improved Organic-Machine control to the Stellar Ascendency
-[][Boon] Expanded Technology Focus/sharing (write-in two tech trees: Cybernetics, Biology)
-[][Free] Construction (1,500 VBP (Voidforge Miners) = 1500 BP / 1000[666.6 refit BP] BP Repair Bay / 500 Lift Capacity):
--[] Refit the Spark of the Ancients
---[] Add to Non-Combat Equipment (reduce left cramming from 70 BP to 2.5 BP:
----[] Troop compartment (50*1.5=75 BP, 45 Cramming)
----[] Medical bay (25*1.5=37.5 BP, 22.5 Cramming)
---[] Replace Troop compartment modular slot and Medical facility modular slot with 2x Juvenat Production Facility (750 BP)
---[] High Maneuverability Thrusters, refit to only take 1080 BP cramming space [2.5 BP Cramming free -> 122.5 Cramming free after partial refit => one additional slot] (1200 BP)
--[] 104 BP left
-[] Anexa active Action: Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
-[] Victan: active action: Diplomat-Spy - assists any diplomacy action you take, granting +Level to the dice to the action.
-[] Cia: Passive Psyker improvement
-[] Gwendolyn: Passive learning action
I am finishing the Nova Cannon.
I am doing stuff to earn three boons (Diplomacy Vellkar, Diplomacy Stellar Ascendency to kickstart their military, Research (LS-Machine spirits, Improved OMC) for Stellar Ascendency for CP-check ships.
I am finishing Intelligence Coding, the AI research.
Also having just enough left to finish Faith is my Shield?
Spending the boon we have for more Technology sharing, currently trending towards Cybernetics (because that includes OMC) and Biology.
But I am also considering Ship Design and Physics for the category.
Come and make your case which you prefer
[] Plan: Nova cannons go boom. Boonhunting edition. [Draft]
-[] Idea: Boons! Hunt boons. Earn three boons with this plan. Also get Nova Cannons and Intelligence Coding.
-[] Diplomacy: Ensure that the Vellkar & the Stellar Ascendency come to a profitable arrangement for both of them. Stretch Goal: get basing rights for yourself on Denva Primus. Put all the tech you gave the Stellar Ascendency on the table
-[] Diplomacy: Build the Stellar Ascendency a military academy with Victan's bonus (and at least a normal success)
-[] Research x2 (400 + 85 (Anexa) + 60 (Anexa staff) = 545 RP)
--[] Improved Large-scale Machine spirits (100 RP)
--[] Improved Organic-Machine control (75 RP)
--[] Nova Cannon! (100 RP)
--[] Intelligence Coding (210 RP)
---[] Annexa attempt to gain AI specialty
--[] Faith is my Shield? (60 RP)
-[][Free] Turn over Improved Large-scale Machine spirits and Improved Organic-Machine control to the Stellar Ascendency
-[][Boon] Expanded Technology Focus/sharing (write-in two tech trees: Cybernetics, Biology)
-[][Free] Construction (1,500 VBP (Voidforge Miners) = 1500 BP / 1000[666.6 refit BP] BP Repair Bay / 500 Lift Capacity):
--[] Refit the Spark of the Ancients
---[] Add to Non-Combat Equipment (reduce left cramming from 70 BP to 2.5 BP:
----[] Troop compartment (50*1.5=75 BP, 45 Cramming)
----[] Medical bay (25*1.5=37.5 BP, 22.5 Cramming)
---[] Replace Troop compartment modular slot and Medical facility modular slot with 2x Juvenat Production Facility (750 BP)
---[] High Maneuverability Thrusters, refit to only take 1080 BP cramming space [2.5 BP Cramming free -> 122.5 Cramming free after partial refit => one additional slot] (1200 BP)
--[] 104 BP left
-[] Anexa active Action: Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
-[] Victan: active action: Diplomat-Spy - assists any diplomacy action you take, granting +Level to the dice to the action.
-[] Cia: Passive Psyker improvement
-[] Gwendolyn: Passive learning action
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- Boston
That is my preference as well. Both trees have a lot of low cost, mid priority techs that are nice-to-haves for us but fantastic-to-haves for Denva
F0lkL0re
Officially not an Inquisitor
- Location
- Shetland
[] Plan
-[] [Repair Bay]
--[] cramming refits of the Spark
-[] Construction (630 BP base + 8190 BP Orbital Manufactories + 1500 BP Voidforge Miners = 10320 BP)
--[] convert 4 destroyer hulls to Candle mk 2 5000 BP
---[] turn over all the candles to Denva Secundus
--[] 750 BP to replace the oubliette with two Basic Juvenat Production Facilities
--[] 3620 BP (+ 1000 BP from repair bay) to cramming refits of the Spark
--[] Replace Technological Research Lab with Advanced Technological Research Lab (750 BP)
--[] 200 BP discretionary fund for Victan
-[] Research X 2 (400 RP base + 85 Anexa RP + 60 Anexa staff – 4 (20 Anexa staff doing design work) = 541 RP)
--[] Collaberative Computational R&D (250 RP)
--[] Nova Cannon! (100 RP)
--[] Improved Large-scale Machine spirits (100 RP)
--[] 25 RP (50 RP without Anexa's staff) to design Advanced Technological Research Lab (500 BP, 100 CP)
--[] design Candle Mk 2 Destroyer, 25 RP
---[] Chassis: Base (450 BP) Engines: (8 gravities) for (150 BP). Shields: (medium) for (100) Armor: (medium) for (100) total: 350 BP
---[] Hull Equipment: Machine Spirit (50 BP) Warp Drive (50 BP), Void Abacus (50 BP), Psychic Shielding (250 BP = 50 HP) total: 400 BP
---[] Weapons: 1 x Light Macrocannons (100 bp), 1 x Medium Lances (200 BP), 1 x Point Defense (50 BP) total 350 BP (315 with camming modifier)
---[] Equipment: High-maneuverability thrusters (50BP), Medium Boarding preparations (50 BP), Cargo Bay (15 BP), Repair Bay (40 BP) total 150 BP (135 with camming modifier)
---[] total design build point cost: 1700 BP
--[] Intelligence Coding (41 RP)
-[] Diplomacy: Collaborate with the Stellar Ascendency and Vellkar to create a mutually beneficial alliance for all three parties
--[] check to see if the Vellkar need help with construction/uplift
-[] Anexa active action: Research
--[] Collaberative Computational R&D
-[] Victan active action: assist with Stellar Ascendency/Vellkar alliance
-[] Cia Passive Psyker improvement
-[] Gwendolyn Passive learning action
Current plan aiming at getting the Stellar Ascendency/Vellkar diplomacy squared while also refitting ships for the fleet refit boon, improving our ship machine spirits for the single person controlled light cruiser boon and getting Collaberative Computational R&D so that we can work on the R&D set up boon next turn.
Any questions or thoughts?
-[] [Repair Bay]
--[] cramming refits of the Spark
-[] Construction (630 BP base + 8190 BP Orbital Manufactories + 1500 BP Voidforge Miners = 10320 BP)
--[] convert 4 destroyer hulls to Candle mk 2 5000 BP
---[] turn over all the candles to Denva Secundus
--[] 750 BP to replace the oubliette with two Basic Juvenat Production Facilities
--[] 3620 BP (+ 1000 BP from repair bay) to cramming refits of the Spark
--[] Replace Technological Research Lab with Advanced Technological Research Lab (750 BP)
--[] 200 BP discretionary fund for Victan
-[] Research X 2 (400 RP base + 85 Anexa RP + 60 Anexa staff – 4 (20 Anexa staff doing design work) = 541 RP)
--[] Collaberative Computational R&D (250 RP)
--[] Nova Cannon! (100 RP)
--[] Improved Large-scale Machine spirits (100 RP)
--[] 25 RP (50 RP without Anexa's staff) to design Advanced Technological Research Lab (500 BP, 100 CP)
--[] design Candle Mk 2 Destroyer, 25 RP
---[] Chassis: Base (450 BP) Engines: (8 gravities) for (150 BP). Shields: (medium) for (100) Armor: (medium) for (100) total: 350 BP
---[] Hull Equipment: Machine Spirit (50 BP) Warp Drive (50 BP), Void Abacus (50 BP), Psychic Shielding (250 BP = 50 HP) total: 400 BP
---[] Weapons: 1 x Light Macrocannons (100 bp), 1 x Medium Lances (200 BP), 1 x Point Defense (50 BP) total 350 BP (315 with camming modifier)
---[] Equipment: High-maneuverability thrusters (50BP), Medium Boarding preparations (50 BP), Cargo Bay (15 BP), Repair Bay (40 BP) total 150 BP (135 with camming modifier)
---[] total design build point cost: 1700 BP
--[] Intelligence Coding (41 RP)
-[] Diplomacy: Collaborate with the Stellar Ascendency and Vellkar to create a mutually beneficial alliance for all three parties
--[] check to see if the Vellkar need help with construction/uplift
-[] Anexa active action: Research
--[] Collaberative Computational R&D
-[] Victan active action: assist with Stellar Ascendency/Vellkar alliance
-[] Cia Passive Psyker improvement
-[] Gwendolyn Passive learning action
Current plan aiming at getting the Stellar Ascendency/Vellkar diplomacy squared while also refitting ships for the fleet refit boon, improving our ship machine spirits for the single person controlled light cruiser boon and getting Collaberative Computational R&D so that we can work on the R&D set up boon next turn.
Any questions or thoughts?
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They didn't get to the cogitare before meeting bots, and you're answering for only one boarding for a question about more than one boarding.
Its not about improving the roll its about mitigating the failures.
Lets look at 10 hypothetical turns and be VERY generous to the Strategist and say in those 10 turns we have 3 planned military actions and we have 2 instances where we get ambushed/suprise visited.
Turn 1:
Seer: Research | Strategist: Nothing
Turn 2:
Seer: Research | Strategist: Nothing
Turn 3:
Seer: Diplomancy | Strategist: Military(Surprise!)
Turn 4:
Seer: Military | Strategist: Military
Turn 5:
Seer: Diplomancy | Strategist: Military
Turn 6:
Seer: Research | Strategist: Nothing
Turn 7:
Seer: Research | Strategist: Military(Surprise!)
Turn 8:
Seer: Research | Strategist: Military
Turn 9:
Seer: Diplomancy | Strategist: Nothing
Turn 10:
Seer: Research | Strategist: Nothing
In those 10 turns the Seer is actively helping us in 100% of turns compared to the 50% of the strategist.
On Turn 5 and 8 the Military rolls are trivial and the worst that can happen is that we get nothing from a loot roll, so the Seer is able to focus on saving Diplomancy and Research rolls.
Some research that would not get Anexas bonus and could REALLY use some rerolls:
Intelligence Coding, Necron Bots, Advanced Materials, Nova Cannon!, ...
Also Military rolls are not more important for our survival than Diplomancy and Research rolls.
A reroll with first contact with necrons for example can be the difference between a new warfront opening up and them just saying "get of my lawn" and shooing us out of the system they are in.
The same is true for Research, imagine us 1 turn away on wayfarer finishing Warp Comms just in time... and then rolling a 1.
Or, you now, building a general 2 turn plan to integrate Nova Cannons into our fleet and then failing and having to compromise.
Seer is just way better especially if we get a dedicated strategist in the next few turns.
- Location
- Boston
I really like your plan, it needs a name
F0lkL0re
Officially not an Inquisitor
- Location
- Shetland
Well I was originally thinking of naming it Nova Cannon Goes POP! but I'm not sure right now.
But there is no physical way they could have encountered ten thousand bots. Small elite forces are better countered by better bots not more bots.
What are you even arguing with? Better bots isn't in the discussion and costs 600 RP. The question is bots or no bots.
I think I have been quite clear, the reason I want bots isn't to make boarders not do damage, which I have inferred is impossible, but to absorb the damage that boarders will inevitably inflict so that it doesn'tspillon things that are important.
- Location
- Canada
I just want to chime in and say anything with In Vitro research is fine by me.
It would be a good idea to build a Cloning lab before Cia explodes/vitrifies/disintegrates one of her limbs irreparably, and she's come awfully close. My impression of her so far is she'd rather go without one entirely than have something cybernetic. I don't know enough to know if that's a psyker thing, or just her personal thing.
Planning ahead for the Navigator is also good, but longer term.
It would be a good idea to build a Cloning lab before Cia explodes/vitrifies/disintegrates one of her limbs irreparably, and she's come awfully close. My impression of her so far is she'd rather go without one entirely than have something cybernetic. I don't know enough to know if that's a psyker thing, or just her personal thing.
Planning ahead for the Navigator is also good, but longer term.
Fixed! I hadn't realized I'd already made a tech for that. Removed the new one.
Probably narrative, but depending on rolls. If you know somebody's trying to set up a ritualistic narrative then you can refuse to engage properly. But that may not always be possible.
Right. I meant to change it. Yeah, you can stack Bongo with your other Chaos artifacts now if you want and use the Oubliette for something else, such as a new psychic lab. But you can't subdivide it and keep the shielding intact.
Yeah, probably. At the very least valid-looking outputs of STCs.
Fixed.Aw the sentence cuts off
I think one roll - clarified in the vote. It'll get broader if you keep developing it.
We'll see once you research it. I'm not as well versed in superinsulators, but it might be something interesting to read about.
Fixed.
This isn't a hint, it's a reminder that the capability exists and where it is. If I wanted to hint I would have put in an author's note like I did about weapons.
Hmm. I'm of the general thought that you've got enough military techs for now, and if you wanted to build something like that it would be more effective to build novacannon-equipped defense platforms instead of invent an entirely new type of weapon for the purpose?
Not really. They were intended for when you were stuck underground with a small number of manufactories. In most cases a ship with a plasma gun or lances can achieve the same effect with orbital bombardment - but I could also imagine you building a stealthy destroyer with a bunch of nukes to go blow up strategic targets instead of trying to give it the guns for it. Or using them with strike teams of bots to sneak under shields and blow up other targets, so I'm leaving them in.
Don't need specialized launchers. Kick them out the hanger door in low orbit and you're good. There's probably a follow-up research for specialized nova cannon rounds.
Rounds down. Though you might want to do the math on the entire ship, I think there was some space floating before.
If you do this you lose the entire oubliette. You can keep it as-is and stick something new in for just that module's base cost, or you can scrap the whole thing. It's built as a single unit.
Hmm. I see you're trying to solve the military & R&D tasks in one action. I like the theme, and with the build investment you'll probably succeed with a crit... and maybe even a good success while losing some Cogitare staff. Hmm. Yeah, that's valid. The benefit might be bigger the more you spend on it.Just to check then... @Neablis
Would it be possible to write-in research, construction, and diplomacy actions to design, build, and have the Cogitare operate an Orbital University Campus similar to the Uplift Campus design you suggested a while ago?
My thinking is that while this probably wouldn't solve everything in one turn, it would give significant bonuses going forward to diplomacy actions that could...
Organize Stellar Ascendancy R&D.
Straighten out their military training issues.
Help overcome their remaining internal divides between the planetary nations.
Deepen ties with the vellkar by way of offering their government(s) a number of scholarships.
Further organize the Cogitare and establish them as a neutral non-governmental organization.
Provide a likely recruitment pool for volunteers to help establish vellkar medical data and adapt our cybernetics and medical technology to their physiology.
I was thinking it would use roughly the same stats you provided for the Uplift Campus you suggested a ways back.
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest Mature - Sci-Fi
Nope, Your crew buffs your actions, they don't replace them. Even when Victan is flavorfully doing a lot, in actuality you're backing him up and it requires your attention. I've read about him, and that led to reading about the whole Arks of Omen shenanigans. Fun! You really can never have...forums.sufficientvelocity.com
Note that this will require a diplomatic action to set up properly. Victan can be on that action and use his bonus. But inherently this is diplomatic task, not a construction one. If you don't build a campus then Denva will build one planetside as part of it.
Ah, but a critical difference is that you need to decide ahead of time. A strategist is the person doing your military stuff, so if a bunch of orks jump into the system by surprise and she's on research, she can't help. If that happens but she's a strategist you'll still get it.
At least until one of the higher-level seer bonuses, which will be "looking out for unexpected surprises and providing warning."
Valid.This should get them into the ship, if that's legal to do.
With rules as written it should be... I am feeling like Bongo right now.
@Neablis
Your existing juvenat is still expensive and delicate - doesn't really scale well. There's research for that.
You can build psytech to counter the malus and maybe even give her a bonus.
This is going to go into the bucket of "The more you spend on it, the more you get out." A 6,330 bp academy for 50k people will be a living space & have the defenses listed. A 8,750 will have top-of-the-line facilities. BP spent beyond that mostly just makes it bigger.
Valid option. It'll go better if you stick another psy-lab in there.Most of the really nasty perils of warp get migrated by psy-shields. Just have Gwen practice in the oubliette.
Choose which you assign Victan to. He can't do both at once.
Don't forget you have a boon!
The way it's phrased is
Though that number is up to 25,000 BP. So I think that it does require an action to organize all of that labor into the desired final product.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Does this also hold true for her being a strategist? She's using divination for that as well, naturally.
I mean, it says "can be enhanced by psytech" too, but it's not clear she'll be enhanced in the same way, lol.
Sure, in theory we could split her and anexa or victan up, but if a roll is important enough that we really care about how well it does, our other crew will always be assigned to it, because they can do more than stop it from going poorly, they can make it go extra good.
And we will always want extra good on our important technologies and diplomacy actions, we basically treat poor successes as failures by another name.
As for doing it to multiple rolls... that's only even a possibility at level 10 for Seer Gwen. How many extra will she even get? How many opportunities will be lost because we had to turtle with our fights instead of being able to act more aggressively? How much will we lose because somebody else picked a fight with us and we stopped getting lucky?
Here's the numbers for non-anexa research action:
| Gwen mod | Crew mod | Vita mod | |||||
-10 | 0 | 20 | |||||
-10.00% | 0.00% | 20.00% | |||||
| Scenario | 1.1 | 1.2 | 2.1 | 2.2 | 3.1 | 3.2 | 3.3 |
| Vita rolls | Too high to beat: 31% | ← | Improvable: 68% | ← | Nat 1: 1% | ← | ← |
| Gwen Rolls | 0.00% | 31.00% | 34.00% | 34.00% | 0.89% | 0.10% | 0.01% |
| Improve | Doesn't | Improves | Doesn't | Improves | Doesn't | Double Nat 1 | |
| Gwen Does not improve: | 65.11% | Gwen improves: | 34.89% |
It's... a pretty insubstantial difference. Removing Gwen's malus doesn't even budge the "gwen improves" chance by a full percentage point. And if we give her a second chance, now with no malus because level 10 - her likelihood of influencing an outcome goes up to... 64%.
This is still a bad deal.
Hm. Going to stop you right here.
First of all... we don't have failures outside of military, exploration, and the so far theoretical "turn we do two diplomacy actions at once". Poor successes yes, nat 1s yes, but not failures. Our dice mods make it literally impossible.
Perhaps that's semantics, but the point stands that Seer Gwen will modify the result of non-miltiary project rolls only about 30% of the time. But failures? Like, actual no-shit failures of non-military rolls? She will stop one of those 00.89% of the time. She must roll a (12 - level) or above after Vita's nat 1.
A DC of 12 sounds pretty sweet... but it's for an event that happens 1 out of 100 times. Not 1 out of 100 rolls, because Seer Gwen doesn't get to protect every roll, 1 out of 100 turns. But sure, if that happens, she has a good chance of averting it.
In exchange for not being prepared to avert military catastrophe that can injure or kill our crew, damage or destroy our ship, or corrupt Vita.
So let's go on to your idea about how often that's a risk, because while I chose to talk semantics first, the real, serious error in your analysis is here:
Hypotheticals are only as good as what they're based on. How likely are they to resemble the truth?
When I first saw your post, you estimated 1/3 instead of 1/2 turns. You didn't seem to... base this on anything, you just insisted it was generous. But you did bump it up later, so even if you're going by vibes, you're at least holding yourself to trying to be fair about it - props for that, and I appreciate the effort!
But we have an actual 10 turns we just went through we can compare to. Let's do that - how many military rolls did we have?
| Turn | Rolls | What | Why? |
| 23 | 1 | 68 | Defending yourself from the Drukhari boarding action |
| 24 | 0 | - | |
| 25 | 1 | 75 | Military takeover of Transport ship |
| 26 | 1 | 100 | Blow up any Chaos-tainted stations you find and detect. |
| 27 | 1 | 91 | Governer's Mansion Expedition* |
| 28.5 | 1 | 78 | Ork Combat |
| 28.6 | 4 | 3 2 80 86 | Hacking roll**; Bongo-Chaos Signal interception***; Spark of the Ancients vs. Echo of Apotheosis; Repelling the Boarding Action |
| 29 | 2 | 33 95 | Aetherion void combat The last spiteful move of the Aetherion cultists |
| 30 | 2 | 50 83 | Klyssar's nest invasion Cia intervention**** |
| 31 | 3 | 23 75 100 | Attempts to Suss out the Cultists*****; Baiting the Trap; The Trap Springs Closed |
| 32 | 0 | - | No combat (unless you count Cia vs bongo) |
Ah yes, 16 out of 10 turns... wait, 16!?
Yes, that's right, we can have multiple military rolls in one turn, even ignoring sub-turns! And Gwen's skill as a commander/strategist doesn't just go away after one exchange, she would continue commanding and strategizing throughout all of it. Nor does she have to do her military related divination in advance - in her debut, the canon omake by Avatar, she forsaw the results of individual acts in combat, and individual choices about which direction to run in all in real-time!
So with that in mind, let's get those asterisks... there are 5 rolls I've flagged as needing explanation, but even if you struck every last one of them, you'd still have 11 rolls left. But still, let's get to it!
- Governer's Mansion Expedition*
- This one got our exploration bonus, and was indisputably a combat action: We had to sneak in, and then fight all the staff! Strategist Vita's action would stack with Vita's exploration bonus here, Seer Vita's reroll would still be at disadvantage.
- Hacking roll**
- Electronic warfare is perhaps a stretch to call warfare... unless your strategist can see that you're about to get clapped back because she's a diviner, that is. Much like Gwen made her decisions in those alleys by the consequences she saw seconds ahead, she would likewise probably have been able to see the corrupt-OMC counterattack, even if she didn't just say "as your strategist I recommend against connecting to chaos infected things, or at least terminating the connection the moment something unusual happens".
- Bongo-Chaos Signal interception***;
- I think Seer Gwen would get a free shot at this too, actually! Diviners are good enough at noticing other diviners at work that I think that regardless of specialty Gwen would have a chance to weigh in on this, if not directly roll against it to disrupt the connection. I figure Strategist Gwen would be the one who could say "prepare for shield attacks/a breakout" afterwards even if she didn't stop the comms, Seer Gwen would probably take a stronger swing at stopping the comms.
- Cia intervention****
- Cia would be under Gwen's command, so I figure it counts.
- Attempts to Suss out the Cultists*****
- This was a military operation, and it was Vita's action - as a strategist, Gwen could advise on better search patterns, traps/bait, etc, while as a strategist-diviner she could even check what some search patterns find and then adjust the search pattern to capture the ones found in her vision while searching everywhere else more thoroughly.
And you know, maybe seer gwen gets opportunities to intervene besides the project we assign her to-
...Maybe she still gets to do stuff besides what we directly assign her to, but in more narrow circumstances like sub-turns!
But then one more thing rears its head:
Seer Gwen has wildly higher perils of the warp chances than Strategist Gwen. I suspect that, in any scenario where they get to roll again and again in a single turn, a bad enough roll that it triggers a perils will knock her out of the situation... at minimum for the rest of the battle, if it's a single one.
It's not even clear if Strategist-gwen has perils of the warp on her active action. I assume so, she's still using divination, but... we've never seen Cia get a perils while she's on her active, either! So even if Seer-gwen can do chain rolls, Strategist-Gwen is still likely to do more of them because she isn't as likely to get KO'd mid-way through.
And also featured among our last 10 turns were situations in which we had to put Cia on passive training because our psy lab was too damaged for it to be safe... Including during the opening subturns of the battle for Denva, where so many of those chain rolls happened all at once.
Meaning, that 10 rolls helped out of 10 turns you forecasted... wouldn't have actually happened, either. Not even if we assume she rolls to positively influence every single one.
And as we move out of the early game and the other factions get their boots on - as the threats Neablis has been hinting about for over a real life month come to pass, the number of military rolls we do is only going to go up. There is a reason "man of iron" was a chargen choice alongside "(wo)man of stone". It's because bonuses to military are a big deal.
This is warhammer, after all. It's in the name.
Strategist Gwen just helps us more. It's that simple.
(Also no, military rolls are absolutely super important for our survival, they're literally the ones that decide whether we live or die, I'm sorry what-)
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How is giving them stuff robbing them of choice? Especially when it's stuff they have basically stated they need. I have not been arguing for fusing Primus and Secundus. I have been arguing for giving them tech (esp medicine and manufacturing) so they can negotiate with Denva from a more equal position.
Because 1. having that many bots doesn't add that much 2. our ship is huge for the number of bots 3. you're still going to lose bots in combat, no matter what part of the ship they're manning.
Thoughts:
1. The research station for military organisation + research seems like a great idea given Neablis's comments. Since it gets so many boons you can almost certainly cash in a boon for insta BP for it.
2. Use some BP to refit the Spark. At least some of those labs we want to take with us.
Idea for all: could such an academy be placed at some smart orbit in between the two planets and be open to both species? It would provide neutral ground and contact (and said contact would happen especially among the leading scientific and military experts of both polities).