Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
- Thread starter Neablis
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This is committing to two full research actions (400 RP) of nothing but better psychic shielding before we get anything useful out of it for something that is unlikely to see use anyway while we are on planet. Feels like a bit of a waste compared to say the basic psychic research
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[X] Plan: Soon Vita Will Into Space With Anexa Education
Really don't think we should look into Chaos without having put an Action or 2 into preparing for memetic information. Even if the mechanicus' data isn't inherently dangerous, just knowing about Chaos is enough to start getting attention from the Warp.
Really don't think we should look into Chaos without having put an Action or 2 into preparing for memetic information. Even if the mechanicus' data isn't inherently dangerous, just knowing about Chaos is enough to start getting attention from the Warp.
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[X] Plan : Researching the Enemy
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I still think providibg proof is a mistake.
All we're doing is encourage her to redouble her efforts to find us.
A real archeotech find is far more valuable than a wayward Msgos wasting her talents, and a single apprentice.
Also, we already saw two attempts by her to bug us. Are we really giving her a third by getting the Imp tech samples through her? There needs to only be a single comms bead (which we didn't detect when Anexa had it) lodged in there to blow our rntire cover.
All we're doing is encourage her to redouble her efforts to find us.
A real archeotech find is far more valuable than a wayward Msgos wasting her talents, and a single apprentice.
Also, we already saw two attempts by her to bug us. Are we really giving her a third by getting the Imp tech samples through her? There needs to only be a single comms bead (which we didn't detect when Anexa had it) lodged in there to blow our rntire cover.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
You can't make a transmitter that doesn't send signals, this is a problem sorted by just not being an idiot and checking the pile for transmitters or keeping the pile in a Faraday cage or zomething. And if they're that bloodthirsty and greedy despite being arch conservatives, well, it's to our advantage to bait them into moving first.
Anyway, haven't been able to sleep yet, copy pasting plan
[X] Plan: Soon Vita Will Into Space
-[X] [Free] Poke around some more in the databases, looking for anything in particular.
--[X] Space Marines? There's got to be more to that...
-[X] Diplomacy: Mechanicus Shooshing
--[X] Thalya is a menace, but until you're ready to dislodge their monopoly, you need to pretend like you're playing ball. Send a mocked up progress report--consulting with Aneva to see if she can help you cook the books a little more--and include some samples in the form of broken up components that you otherwise would have been recycling, but can serve as 'proof' that you're not fabricating the whole thing. A few crumbs here and there to make them willing to wait and let you do the work. While you're at it, see if you can get to dickering with some samples for the purpose of 'Unbiased Comparison', because you really want a chance to see how the whole Machine Spirit thing properly works, and if there are any useful insights to be gleaned in Imperial design. (Do our thing to keep Thalya and the Mechanicus complacent, see if we can squeeze some samples out for our studies while we're at it.)
-[X] Diplomacy: Touching Base with our Handlers
--[X] Our partnership has been fruitful so far, and things have been going well--well enough that we're willing to extend a little more trust in turn, we do in fact, have a very limited supply of Anti-Agathic medicines that we can share out--we don't have the schematics to expand production as it was tightly controlled and honestly outside the scope of our mission, but for the sake of keeping things humming along smoothly, we're willing to share some of our production to minimize any turnover. That aside though, we are curious about the third major institution that's running around--the monasteries. Psy-active folks weren't exactly well known when I was running around, and if that's changed, I'd like to have the option of preparing some countermeasures. Is there any way you can put me in touch with one of those? (Further good relations with the local government by adding some Juvenat trade to further sweeten the deal, and hopefully minimize any turn-over of the agents we're working with. As a side note, see if we can get an introduction to open communications with one or more of the monastaries)
-[X] Construction: (+750 BP)
--[X] Underground Basic Technological Research Lab (150 BP)
--[X] Camoflauged Observatory (200 BP)
--[X] 3x Manufactories (300 BP)
--[X] Trade Goods (50 BP)
-[X] Research (+200 RP)
--[X] Cybernetics (200 RP)
-[X] [Anexa] Active: Help us shoosh the Mechanicus (+5 to the Diplo roll I guess?)
[X] Plan: Soon Vita Will Into Space With Anexa Education
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If we leave too many question unanswered she may conclude that the STC "was really well hidden", but that is not likely IMO. She has never seen any evidence of an STC on the planet in all her centuries living here. There is an alien inhabited world in the same system, she could very easily conclude that we lied about looking for a STC. She asked Anexa to stay vigilant for any sign of Xenos technology, she seems to already suspect that we are not looking for an STC.
She would not start a search for ship pieces after we give her some, our possession of the pieces clearly indicates that we have been collecting them. Of course she would not find any archeotech after we spend centuries collecting it, the parts we have not found (including the STC) is a needle in a needle stack.
The more suspicious we appear to be, the more likely she would devote resources to hunting for us and find our factories.
However they choose to divide the anti-aging meds, there will be plenty of people missing out. Perhaps W has a brother who is a journalist and as he ages she grows to resent us for not providing more anti-aging meds.
If they believe our claim of not being able to meet the demand then they may intellectually understand, but emotionally they will have negative views of us.
Holding Anti-Agathic medicines in reserve means we can offer them as compensation if we roll badly. If we have given some with the claim of limited stock then we cannot use it later, offering more Anti-Agathic medicines proves that we previously decieved them
Depends how soon we plan to build our new ship, and whether we plan to recruit psychics.
I want to started on the ship sooner, and don't plan to recruit psychics. Plus if we do decide to recruit a psychic then we can research the Basics of Psytech then.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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They already gave Anexa a transmitter that could have punched though our shielding.
And I'd rather bait the Mechanicus into a trap intentionally rather than by messing up.
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Even if we start on the ship next turn between it is still going to take 3-4 turns to finish it and find a crew, we can't just leave with Anexa and robots. We wouldn't be able to dock anywhere with even a modicum of tech and caution about strangers.
That might have punched though our shielding.
Insult Everyone!
Master of Evil but bad at it.
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"We have limited stock, but are planning to reverse engineer it during our stay."
There, problem solved.
That said, yeah. Better not to open that can O worms. Once we start offering Juv, we'll be the baddies when we stop or limit it. No matter the reason. It's also P hard to hide, I imagine.
Psytech samples was advertised as being useful for establishing a base for psyker-enhancing tech. Not grabbing it seems dum.
I meant this particular site that were at is a dead end and we haven't found the "main one" yet.
I still think it is a bad idea to say that we only have a "super limited supply", b/c what do you think is more likely with what they think is a non-renewable immortality drug? They're going to fairly distribute it to their most valuable people, or the higher ups are going to hoard it for themselves so they can live forever, and I really don't want to take that risk when W has to be like 80 years old right now.
But, if they know we can reproduce it, there would be less incentive to hoard it all for themselves.
Then once we start leaving, we just give them to information on how to produce rejuvenant themselves.
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[X] Plan : Researching the Enemy
[X] Plan: Soon Vita Will Into Space
[X] Plan Stealthy R&D
[X] Plan: Soon Vita Will Into Space
[X] Plan Stealthy R&D
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[X] Plan Stealthy R&D
-[X] [Free] Look into the Adeptus Astartes
-[X] [Diplomacy] Give a progress report to Thayla that you have managed to find some scraps, but not much (whatever knick-knacks from our ship we can spare) at a site, hopeful that this will produce more but evidence is pointing towards this being a dead end for now. Also inquire about getting some Imperial Tech samples to compare with some other tech we've "discovered". Also continue with "breadcrum" style training.
-[X] [Diplomacy] Reach out to W again and say that you're ready to deepen our relationship with Aevon and are willing to also give a supply of Juvenant as well as two Camouflaged Manned Manufactories with the schematics to produce and maintain medicines (not rejuvenant yet), military arms, and other manufactories. We think it best if they were able to stand on their own from the Mechanicus. In exchange, we would like information on the Monasteries, any samples of high-imperial tech they have, a mutual defense agreement, and the right to recruit some of their citizens (if they're willing of course) to join our crew when we do get our ship done and ready to take off.
-[X] [Construction] 750 BP:
—[X] 2x Manned Camouflaged Manufactories (400 BP)
—-[X] Build 3 Miles North away from our main industry center.
—[X] x2 Manufactories (200 BP)
—[X] Camouflaged Basic Technological Research Lab (100 RP)
—[X] 50 BP worth of trade goods, including Juvenant, though subtract some BP if we happen to need to give something to Thayla
-[X] Research: 200 RP
—[X] What's up with this tech? (100 RP)
—[X] Small-craft Stealth (100 RP)
-[X] Have Alexa continue her education, and let her know of our rejuvenant stores so she can choose between it and more augmetics.
-[X] [Free] Look into the Adeptus Astartes
-[X] [Diplomacy] Give a progress report to Thayla that you have managed to find some scraps, but not much (whatever knick-knacks from our ship we can spare) at a site, hopeful that this will produce more but evidence is pointing towards this being a dead end for now. Also inquire about getting some Imperial Tech samples to compare with some other tech we've "discovered". Also continue with "breadcrum" style training.
-[X] [Diplomacy] Reach out to W again and say that you're ready to deepen our relationship with Aevon and are willing to also give a supply of Juvenant as well as two Camouflaged Manned Manufactories with the schematics to produce and maintain medicines (not rejuvenant yet), military arms, and other manufactories. We think it best if they were able to stand on their own from the Mechanicus. In exchange, we would like information on the Monasteries, any samples of high-imperial tech they have, a mutual defense agreement, and the right to recruit some of their citizens (if they're willing of course) to join our crew when we do get our ship done and ready to take off.
-[X] [Construction] 750 BP:
—[X] 2x Manned Camouflaged Manufactories (400 BP)
—-[X] Build 3 Miles North away from our main industry center.
—[X] x2 Manufactories (200 BP)
—[X] Camouflaged Basic Technological Research Lab (100 RP)
—[X] 50 BP worth of trade goods, including Juvenant, though subtract some BP if we happen to need to give something to Thayla
-[X] Research: 200 RP
—[X] What's up with this tech? (100 RP)
—[X] Small-craft Stealth (100 RP)
-[X] Have Alexa continue her education, and let her know of our rejuvenant stores so she can choose between it and more augmetics.
I personally am not going with void shields yet b/c I think small-craft stealth and figuring out Imperial Tech is more important in the meantime.
Why are we giving Juvenat again? Do we even have the required facilities to make it in large enough quantities?
Edit: if people want to give it to our spy/contact then just specify that and have them pull a disappearing act.
Edit: if people want to give it to our spy/contact then just specify that and have them pull a disappearing act.
Actually, we do since we have this:
Large enough for what? Bribing politicians? Yes obviously, the people we will be handing this will have an active interest to keep the knowledge of its availability to themselves so they can keep the juve nat itself to themselves. Make no mistake is bribery only with something much more valuable than money and the idea that bribery does not work without arbitrarily large amounts of money to be 'enough' feels quite odd.
