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[X][IDEALS] Socialist: Having come to refer to a specific political movement rather than an entire branch of ideology, modern socialism is focused on giving the state the power to care for allcitizens, and claims that the modern Social Democrat platform does not go far enough in pursuit of this. It also calls for a massive investment into healthcare in order to revitalize the field and make sure that there are enough medical professionals to go around (long-term, they want free healthcare, but there needs to be enough of it first). They also grant unions extensive privileges over private employers. They are fervently in favor of democratized workplaces, and openly campaign in favor of granting them special concessions.
[x][IDEALS] Communist: The old revolutionary ideology has elected to push for their aims in the democratic process. Their modern platform, in this setting, is centered around the absolute implementation of workplace democracy in addition to the same welfare and legal measures proposed by other movements. The aims of the American Communists in the present day are to break the concept of private ownership of businesses, which places them in stark opposition to Capitalist and Social Democrat thought of this era. This is a part of a larger drive towards a transition to a fully Communist society, but the Communists have quite enough to be focused on at the moment and are leaving that aside.

[X][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.

[X][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need

[X][TEXT] The Constitution was utterly bereft of any kind of legal, political, or ethical merit and shall be cast into the trash heap of history where it belongs. We shall start anew from a blank slate.

[x][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.
 
Okay, time to submit my ballot!

[X][IDEALS] Social Democrat: Centered around the idea that it is the state's responsibility to ensure a bare-minimum standard of living, the Social Democrats add to the New Capitalist agenda with a push for a government guarantee of adequate housing, food, and water to all citizens -- itself a fairly titanic task. It remains rooted in the fundamental ideal of private enterprise. The Social Democrats have some interest in the potential of democratized workplaces and are willing to support them in an experimental measure.
[X][IDEALS] Socialist: Having come to refer to a specific political movement rather than an entire branch of ideology, modern socialism is focused on giving the state the power to care for all citizens, and claims that the modern Social Democrat platform does not go far enough in pursuit of this. It also calls for a massive investment into healthcare in order to revitalize the field and make sure that there are enough medical professionals to go around (long-term, they want free healthcare, but there needs to be enough of it first). They also grant unions extensive privileges over private employers. They are fervently in favor of democratized workplaces, and openly campaign in favor of granting them special concessions.

I'm not willing to vote for either of the radical options (New Market/Capitalist) because they piss off the most people. We need everyone to work together on this; otherwise, well, divided we fall. (Also, I'm personally wary of full Communism because it outright makes privately-owned businesses illegal. Supporting workplace democracy is fine, good even, but destroying the opposition is a bit too much for my tastes.)

[X][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy. If your ideology cannot make its case to the people in practice, it deserves to fail.

Democracy forever!

[X][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.

Good compromise between Chicago and the lesser signatories, and adds sentimental appeal- which we'll need if we're throwing out the Old Constitution and going Socialist. Also, the way the votes are going, it's not like there's any other choice.

[X][TEXT] The Constitution was utterly bereft of any kind of legal, political, or ethical merit and shall be cast into the trash heap of history where it belongs. We shall start anew from a blank slate.

I'm personally disappointed- would've liked the legitimacy boost- but I can see the way the wind is blowing. (Also, MJ12 has good arguments.) Maybe we can placate the traditionalists by copying over the Preamble?

[X][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.

Even if, by some miracle, the Old Constitution is kept, we still need this. Stagnation is a bad thing.



As an aside, what should our national bird be? Do we keep the bald eagle, or go for the turkey like Ben Franklin wanted?
 
could you elaborate further for those of us who are ignorant of your meaning?
Well, when you claim that something is oppressive, exploitative or violates your human rights, you can use this to justify almost any means(including violence) to end this oppression, exploitation or violation. The socialist bloc in this thread has repeatedly claimed that simply being employed in any capitalist economy qualifies for all of the above which I vehemently disagree with as long as there are viable alternatives to your current place of employment. The only reason Aranfan admitted that I was right in regards to social democracy was the fact that you'll literally get money indefinitely from the state regardless of your labour status. Anything less than that is apparently oppressive and exploitative which is frankly a ridiculously broad generalization.

And that's just one of my problems with the socialist bloc.
 
I'd put a bid in for the Phoenix, but IDK if it needs to be real?

Scottland has the unicorn?

Also the Bald Eagle is a Garbage Bird: 100% Fact.

I grew up in a town with those birds, they have garbage personalities, scavengers that would steal a meal from their own starving mothers, and they eat garbage.
 
Velociraptor. Failing that, I will also consider the crow, the Canada goose or the turkey vulture acceptable choices.

CROWS! WOOO MY COUSINS.

They are the best birds. Great birds, social, smart, lazy-smart, fun loving, understand co-operation. Great birds.
 
CROWS! WOOO MY COUSINS.

They are the best birds. Great birds, social, smart, lazy-smart, fun loving, understand co-operation. Great birds.
Eeeeehhhh. I mean yes, but Crows have bad symbolism associated with them. Eagles is a fine symbol considering all the majesty and Imperial Power that it is associated with it.
 
In general, I'd be against choosing specific species. Heraldically, an eagle is an eagle, and the species is not specified. So "bald eagle" is kinda eh for a heraldic symbol to begin with.

What's more, the heraldic eagle was a symbol standing for power, going back to the Roman Emperors. The eagle stands for imperial power hence. Since we will fairly certainly go Soc or SocDem, do we really want such symbolism?

The turkey is good because it is native to North America and known for its ability to defend itself (in German: Truthahn, Trut- from Trutz: defiance). So that would be a good symbol... though that bird also looks a bit silly, IMO, but that's pure aesthetics.

Really, I'd favour the phoenix as heraldic symbol.
 
In general, I'd be against choosing specific species. Heraldically, an eagle is an eagle, and the species is not specified. So "bald eagle" is kinda eh for a heraldic symbol to begin with.

What's more, the heraldic eagle was a symbol standing for power, going back to the Roman Emperors. The eagle stands for imperial power hence. Since we will fairly certainly go Soc or SocDem, do we really want such symbolism?

The turkey is good because it is native to North America and known for its ability to defend itself (in German: Truthahn, Trut- from Trutz: defiance). So that would be a good symbol... though that bird also looks a bit silly, IMO, but that's pure aesthetics.

Really, I'd favour the phoenix as heraldic symbol.

I dunno, there's something kinda majestic about them.

 
In general, I'd be against choosing specific species. Heraldically, an eagle is an eagle, and the species is not specified. So "bald eagle" is kinda eh for a heraldic symbol to begin with.

What's more, the heraldic eagle was a symbol standing for power, going back to the Roman Emperors. The eagle stands for imperial power hence. Since we will fairly certainly go Soc or SocDem, do we really want such symbolism?

The turkey is good because it is native to North America and known for its ability to defend itself (in German: Truthahn, Trut- from Trutz: defiance). So that would be a good symbol... though that bird also looks a bit silly, IMO, but that's pure aesthetics.

Really, I'd favour the phoenix as heraldic symbol.
Eagles are also associated with the US and we are playing Revivalists, and while yes the history of Imperialism is a bit of a baggage, its also a comfortable symbol to rally behind.
 
In general, I'd be against choosing specific species. Heraldically, an eagle is an eagle, and the species is not specified. So "bald eagle" is kinda eh for a heraldic symbol to begin with.

What's more, the heraldic eagle was a symbol standing for power, going back to the Roman Emperors. The eagle stands for imperial power hence. Since we will fairly certainly go Soc or SocDem, do we really want such symbolism?

The turkey is good because it is native to North America and known for its ability to defend itself (in German: Truthahn, Trut- from Trutz: defiance). So that would be a good symbol... though that bird also looks a bit silly, IMO, but that's pure aesthetics.

Really, I'd favour the phoenix as heraldic symbol.

Pheonix flag?
 
I see arguments for both, both in the old symbolism (i.e. line of continuity) and also in the wanting something new.
 
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