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Speaking of bicycles, it's worth noting that you can transport up to ~200kg of cargo on a bicycle. For civilians the mobility and transport implications are pretty big in developing countries, since they can be used on footpaths.

Also, that infantry can march 2x faster on bicycles (6mph versus 3mph) even when going cross country. The Swiss used to operate bicycle soldiers who would strap RPGs into the cargo pannier.
Something to keep in mind for our militia/national guard.

Can we have an option to do this? At least the civilian component?
 
Alright, added a few of the cannon factions plus a new proposal from myself for Fort Wayne. I'll write it up when I have a minute, they're right-wing Revivalists.

 
Where do our trucks come from? If you can do a coal fired truck then you can do a far more efficient locomotive.
1) There were 263 million registered vehicles in the US in 2015, most of them passenger vehicles. Not counting buses and farm vehicles and the like.
I presume most of our vehicles are descendants of those, preserved or rebuilt. If you have a working engine, you can kludge together the rest.

Run them on wood alcohol, natural gas, bioethanol, diesel, whatever you can scrounge up.
People don't really get how mind-boggling rich the US is by the standards of most of the rest of the world.

2) You can't do a coal-fired truck.
You cannot shrink the fixed costs for handling coal into a personal vehicle. You need your boiler, your coal pile, someone shovelling the coal....
There's a reason coal-fired power plants were restricted to trains and ships.
 
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1) There were 263 million registered vehicles in the US in 2015, most of them passenger vehicles. Not counting buses and farm vehicles and the like.
I presume most of our vehicles are descendants of those, preserved or rebuilt. If you have a working engine, you can kludge together the rest.

Run them on wood alcohol, natural gas, bioethanol, diesel, whatever you can scrounge up.
People don't really get how mind-boggling rich the US is by the standards of most of the rest of the world.

2) You can't do a coal-fired truck.
You cannot shrink the fixed costs for handling coal into a personal vehicle. You need your boiler, your coal pile, someone shovelling the coal....
There's a reason coal-fired power plants were restricted to trains and ships.


Not strictly true. Coal, charcoal, and wood can all be used to fuel wood-gas automobiles (see: here) but wood is the most efficient for these purposes. And the 'cleanest' of the three. The problem is that once you get past, say, 60 or so miles of range on a full 'tank' you run into the problem of bulky machinery that necessitates its own trailer or other method of carry.
 
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Okay, I tried to incorporate all of these corrections, except for Waldpole Island. Let me know if it's good now.
Excellent work.

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That looks like a little over two thirds of Illnois, half of Indiana, a quarter to a third of Michigan, five to ten percent of Wisconsin and Ohio, and a bite of Ontario. Six states and counting.
That's a fair bit of clay.
I thought our motor pool didn't use petrol because we didn't have any real access to it.
We have scarce access to local diesel and petroleum products; it's not actually zero.
Burns didn't run his old Abrams tanks on coal. Neither did our fighters.
Coal is easier to get, so our ships mostly burn coal.

Not strictly true. Coal, charcoal, and wood can all be used to fuel wood-gas automobiles (see: here) but wood is the most efficient for these purposes. And the 'cleanest' of the three. The problem is that once you get past, say, 60 or so miles of range on a full 'tank' you run into the problem of bulky machinery that necessitates its own trailer or other method of carry.
Never heard of these before.
Thanks for the reference.
 
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You know, there should be a writeup for Haudenosaunee revivalists if we're in the Great Lakes region. I'm just not sure I should be doing that myself as an Australian with very, very limited contact with any actual indigenous American groups.
 
You know, there should be a writeup for Haudenosaunee revivalists if we're in the Great Lakes region. I'm just not sure I should be doing that myself as an Australian with very, very limited contact with any actual indigenous American groups.
The unfortunate problem there is that the Haudenosaunee homelands coincide pretty much one-for-one with Victorian territory, and based on their behavior on other fronts, they probably actively persecute Native Americans just because they can.
 
The unfortunate problem there is that the Haudenosaunee homelands coincide pretty much one-for-one with Victorian territory, and based on their behavior on other fronts, they probably actively persecute Native Americans just because they can.
Those with the intestinal fortitude to actually read Lind's malevolent little book have confirmed that he uses the term "injun" completely unironically. He basically views them as yet another variant of Orc. Now if you excuse me, I need to go wash my hands because typing this made me feel dirty.
 
Those with the intestinal fortitude to actually read Lind's malevolent little book have confirmed that he uses the term "injun" completely unironically. He basically views them as yet another variant of Orc. Now if you excuse me, I need to go wash my hands because typing this made me feel dirty.
I am going to rage now...because he's going to burn in hell in the next Omake I write.
 
Canon Omake: The Arctic Conservationate
Found at FreeOpenSourceInfo.org shortly after the Peace Treaty with Victoria was signed:

The Arctic Environmentalist Republic At A Glance:

Name: Arctic Conservationate

Government Type: Liberal Parliamentary Social Democracy

Territorial Extent: Roughly all of the former Dominion of Canada from the 60th parallel north, including the Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, and part of the Nord-du-Quebec region of former Quebec

Capital: Whitehorse

Official Currency: Dollar (Arctic)

Population: 3,380,000 (Including guest workers and Russian military personnel.)

History: The Arctic Republic begins where the Dominion of Canada ends during the 2030s. With Atlantic Canada under the Victorian thumb, Pacific Canada forming the short lived Cascadian Republic, and central and western Canada collapsing under the tide of American refugees, the remnants of the Canadian government evacuate north to attempt to re-establish Peace, Order, and Good Government north of the 60th parallel.

The government of the day hoped to use the Northwest Passage to keep themselves afloat as they reorganized themselves, and refused Russian claims that the passage was international waters

History, and Tsar Alexander IV had different ideas. The Canadian refusal to waive sovereignty of the waters of the Northwest Passage, the Arctic's resources riches, and the proximity of a potential foe to Russia led Alexander to coldly calculate that Canada would be better off joining her American sister on the asheap of history.

In 2038, with Alaska reentering the Russian Imperial Family once again, the vastly reduced Canadian state now found herself between the Rock of Victoria and the Hard Place of Russia. Both Victoria and Russia would combine their efforts to destroy the last Canadian embers.

While both Russia and Victoria would embark on campaigns of violent military sabotage against deniable Canadian targets, their most potent weapon was simply flooding the area north of the 60th parallel with refugee Canadian citizens "repatriated" from areas of Russian and Victorian control.

The first destabilizing wave of refugees were Quebecoise fleeing the Victorian ethnic cleansing of Quebec in the late 30s, followed by another wave of refugees fleeing Cascadia after its conquest by Japan in 2042. Many of those fleeing Cascadia were driven out at the behest of Alexander with an eye to putting the finishing touch on the dying Canadian state.

Alexander's plan worked, and by 2044 Canada was effectively dead as a coherent entity, the last zone of Canadian control reduced to 500,000 desperate people clinging to life in a space that had previously supported only a fifth of that number.

Into this void stepped Alexander's Russia. Russian expeditions set out to seize control of the Northwest passage, and to exploit the region's resource wealth. They were met with a determined guerilla campaign from the still active Canadian Arctic Rangers who had outlived their government. The attacks vastly increased the risk of using the passage and made attempts to conduct resource exploitation infeasible.

With Russia stretched thin establishing her empire, Alexander turned to Victoria to pacify the region. Victoria, fresh off the destruction of the "New South" and the Cascadian Republic, began enthusiastically. However the Victorians merely ended up chasing guerillas across the snowy wastes for weeks at a time, losing many frozen blimploads of Victorian troops to the adverse climate and clever Arctic Rangers. It was eventually decided that those troops could be more profitably used in collapsing the various successor states in America proper, especially the strengthening Pacific Republic.

Instead, Alexander switched tack and extended the carrot to the Canadian remnants. Contacting the remains of the Canadian state across the Arctic, Alexander's Russia provided food support in exchange for military basing rights, an end to Ranger attacks on shipping, and assistance with resource extraction.

This new direction worked well enough to quell the resistance as Alexander's attention shifted to his efforts to destroy the Pacific Republic in 2047. The improvement wasn't total as small scale attacks and acts of resistance continued throughout the rest of the decade as the loosely knit peoples of the old Canadian North knit themselves together into the "Arctic Community".

In 2051, Alexander dispatched his 16 year old daughter, the Grand Duchess Catherine, as "Ambassador" to the Arctic Community in what was intended to be her first experience in leadership and foriegn diplomacy.

It was Catherine, at her father's behest, who helped transform the Arctic Communities into the Arctic Conservationate. The newly forming government was intimately involved in Alexander, and Catherine's, environmental planning.

The North American Arctic was deemed the perfect place to test out and implement many of Alexander's most ambitious geo-engineer projects -long before such risk measures would be deployed on Russain soil. The ambitious projects saw the tapping of the previously unused pool of (surviving) well-educated Canadian refugee labour, as well as the immigration of Russian and other world scientists to the Conservationate to conduct their experiments.

These experts also began testing and implementing many "green" resource extraction technologies to exploit the untapped resources of the north freed up by climate change and technological advancement.

During the early 2050s the Conservationate was also tied tightly into the Russian economic sphere. While the Conservationate brought in money from a variety of sources: Tolls charged to non-Russian ships, the various advantages brought by being a shipping hub, money from Arctic based Russian Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen, the export and implementation of green geoengineering projects. The Arctic economy was also boosted by the transit of cheap Victorian raw materials and inexpensive Californian manufactured goods, and the agricultural products of both.

The economic boom begun in the 50s still hasn't ended in the Arctic, and the wealth flowing in has led to the development of a vibrant progressive liberal social democracy as strong as any that existed before the Collapse.

In fact, in many ways, most ways, the Collapse can be said to have been good for the former Canadian Arctic. The region went from being an impoverished backwater neglected by a distant federal government to a prosperous and fully modern state as Alexander's most favoured vassal.

Domestic Politics: In addition to the common dual axes of, social liberalism and conservatism, and economic leftism verses market economics, the Arctic political sphere is defined by pro- and anti- Russianism (Which masquerades as Pro- and Anti- Victorianism.)

Though it may come as a shock to many, Alexander's Russia is liked, or at least seen as a generally benign force in the Arctic, as the country's current prosperity is owed in large part to her place in the Russian economic sphere, Alexander's environmentalist policies, and Russian military protection.

The current Arctic Parliament contains nearly a dozen small parties jockeying for power, but five stand out enough to be worth reckoning with:

-The Arctic Liberal Party: The current ruling party of the Conservationate takes its lineage directly from the Liberal Party of old Canada, right down to having a Trudeau on cabinet. The Liberals are known for their dedication to social liberalism, social democratic economic policies, and firmly pro-Russian stance. The current Liberal government is intent on expanding Arctic market influence across the globe, extremely eager to have Arctic Corporations enter markets worldwide. The recent opening of the great lakes region to sea traffic has the government very interested. At the moment the current the Liberal Government is in no danger of falling or losing the next election scheduled for 2080. (Provided the economy remains strong. Thank god California, at least, is stable and exporting)

-The Collective Democracy Party: The current loyal opposition is a socially progressive, economically far left party who are, at worst, agnostic towards Russia. At this point in time they are focusing on calls to enter government in order to implement experimental decentralized democratic economic planning systems. They mostly cheer on the Commonwealth's rise from a social standpoint and ignore the fact that a good part of the Arctic's current prosperity, and their own future plans relies on cheap Victorian imports.

-The Qorsk Party: The "Qorsk" (from Inuktitut for "Green") Party are a party riven by two very contradictory thoughts: Alexander's environmentalist drives are important to the survival of Humanity, and FUCK Victoria (And Russia's Imperialism). The very leftwing socially and economically Qorsk Party often finds itself in a de facto alliance with the Progressive Conservative Reform Alliance and revivalist Bloc in opposition to Victoria's place in their economy.

-The Progressive Conservative Reform Alliance: Recently formed from a group of center and center-right opposition parties, the New Tories should be considered very pro-capital, and while they are somewhat socially centrist, they are mainly distinguished via their desire to cut ties with the vile Northern Confederacy. They often find themselves aligned with the leftist Qorsk and Bloc in opposition to the main parties on foriegn policy.

-The Bloc: Formed originally from ethnically Quebecois refugees, the socially and economically left wing Bloc are well known for their seething hatred of Victorian Anglos and revivalist desire to reclaim everything lost during the Collapse. They are openly gleeful at the Commonwealth's rise.

Rumours that the Liberals and Collective Democracy receive favourable media coverage thanks to Russian funding are entirely baseless. The Conservationate is a fully free democracy which just happens to fall into a Russian media sphere with its own perspectives on what counts as legitimate political opinion. A perspective that knows that the Qorsk and Tory joint foriegn policy stance is clearly extremist. (And thank god that the fringe lunatics in the Bloc are nowhere near power!)

Economy: The rapid growth of the Conservationate since 2050 has seen it called "snowy Dubai" by some (If "sandy Duba"i wasn't a duneswept ruin in the middle-east).

The Arctic's key geographic location in the Imperial economic sphere combined with the Arctic's pool of highly skilled labour and Russian backing has led to continual growth. (The fact that the territory of the Conservationate is rich with newly available resources doesn't hurt in any way.)

A respectable percentage of the Conservationate's growth can be chalked up for being a middleman between nations who find it political suicide to deal with Russia directly, and Russia itself. In the 2060s the Liberal government, partnered with the Grand Duchess Catherine, took advantage of this reluctance by launching a campaign selling green technologies and geoengineering services under the branding of smiling indiginous faces for those countries who did not feel comfortable accepting Alexander's Russian environmental advisors directly.

More recently the Liberal government has sought Russian backing to displace New York as the main financial center of the Americas, touting the Arctic's stability and distance from conflict as an advantage over the Victoria adjacent Free City. The government also plans to sell the Arctic on its central location on fiber-optic cables that run from London to Tokyo and Los Angeles to Whitehorse to Moscow as part of its efforts to poach tech firms from California.

Commonwealth Opinion: While most Arctic citizens greet the rise of the commonwealth as good news, Conservationate businesspeople and economic planners have more mixed feelings on Chicago's rise.

On the one hand the access to new markets that will need their services is welcome, on the other the ongoing destruction of the Victorian Civil War has been extremely negative for the Arctic economy. The exploitation of Victorian labour to procure cheap raw materials has been part of the Arctic economy from day one and the halt to exports has caused real worries that the end of Victorian agricultural products could lead to a rise in food prices in a country that relies on imports to feed itself.

On the other hand, the opening of the North American interior has Arctic companies salivating over potential opportunities for investment as the Conservationate's proximity and control of nearby trade routes has corporations and economic planners alike interested in the Commonwealth as a trade partner.

Military: Well, the Conservationate has the five thousand man Arctic Rangers, and the nuclear powered icebreakers of the Coast Guard. Is that what is meant by military?

Thanks to the kindness of Tsar Alexander IV, the Conservationate needs no military to protect itself, and in fact the presence of Imperial Sailors, Airmen, and Soldiers on Conservationate soil are a net economic boon!

The Arctic is a long way removed from the chaos which still engulfs the continent. Only the fringe Revivalist lunatics in the Bloc would even dream of building up a military force!

Culture: Thanks to the devastating effects of the Collapse, the Arctic Conservationate of the 50s was not dominated by any single ethnicity, instead it had large populations of various ethnicities, and though it was dominated by people of Indiginous, Anglo, and Quebecoise decent, large portions of the population were also of southeast asian and east asian descent due to the Japanese conquest of Cascadia.

In the current era, the Arctic population's explosive growth comes in large part from returnees from the American and Canadian diaspora, and immigration from other parts of Russia's informal empire moving to perhaps the most openly free section of said informal empire.

While Arctic citizens are ambivalent towards Alexander IV himself, they are much more favourably disposed to his heir apparent Catherine, and eagerly await the day she takes up the old man's mantle as ruler of the Russian empire.

Otherwise Arctic citizens don't usually stop to consider how their prosperity is linked to the Russian empire, much less pause to contemplate the human rights violations in the Victorian state that provides their raw materials. Much as how Canadian citizens of the pre-Collapse never stopped to think about how much of their prosperity came from developing nations overseas with poor rights records. Those that do stop to consider either vote Qorsk, PCAA, and Bloc, or consider that someone has to do business with Victoria and it might as well be them rather than a more unscrupulous country.

Inhabitants of the Conservationate are self-consciously environmentalist, and take great pains to ensure that all of the Arctic's economic activity is as green as possible, and thanks to Russia's backing are often at the forefront of deployment for new environmental technologies. They also take future planning very seriously, mapping out infrastructural development and urban expansion decades in advance.

As part of the Arctic's dedication to pluralism and multiculturalism they have planned cities, especially port cities, to allow for multiple overlapping cultural enclaves for the Arctic's wealth of cultures both native and immigrant.

Arctic ports are also known for their "Vicsburgs": small insular communities formed to service retroculture Victorian sailors who routinely travel between the eastern seaboard and the far north as part of the internal trade of the extended Russian Imperial family. While the Victorian CMC is wary of these small communities due to their contamination by liberal culture, they are unable to act on Arctic soil due to Russian pressure. It is rumoured that what external intelligence service that Victoria is able to run, and a surprisingly large percentage of the Victorian diplomatic corps, are recruited from these comparatively cosmopolitan Victorian communities. Though this is often strenuously denied.

As far as media output goes, the well educated Arctic still lags behind many other countries and imports much of their media from Russia, California, Japan, and the EU. Though as part of the Liberal government's many plans the Liberals want to encourage the formation of new domestic media companies via a scheme to poach Californian creators.

In Popular Culture: The Arctic Conservationate occupies a warm place in the Russian psyche, especially next to Russia's other, far more restive, North American children in the Russian Imperial Family. While Californians are seen as restive and stubborn, and Victorians as wild-eyed fanatics, Arctic citizens are seen as friendly, hard-working, and peaceful.

The Conservationate has become a popular location for Russian military shooters, technothrillers, and explosion filled blockbusters, as the country is seen by many as Russia's strategic "backdoor".

For example: the ongoing, highly popular, video game series "Manifest Destiny",
(which depicts a military conflict fought between Russia and a revanchist United States under the control of the totalitarian "Manifest Destiny Party",) has an entire game (Manifest Destiny III: Arctic Oil) dedicated to brave Russian soldiers fighting to protect the Arctic Conservationate from American subjugation alongside brave Arctic Rangers.

Globally the Arctic is seen in a number of different lights, from being Canada's successor, to Russia's puppet, but generally the country itself is seen as at least benign, though well thought of due to their environmental work.

(Pre-cleared with Poptart)
 
Inspired by a name on the map. :p

Name: The Empire of Mexico

Style of Government: Warlord Dictatorship

Capital: Mexico, MO

Borders: Link

Leadership/History: Self-styled Emperor Dale Hunt the First; the "Empire" is really a warlord state with delusions of grandeur that carved out a small fiefdom in rural Missouri and accessed trade via Hannibal on the Mississippi River and occasional raids/border clashes with their weaker neighbors or simply extorting people without a real militia or protection. It's also not really an old state. It came into existence roughly twenty-five years ago, when Hunt's band of bandits settled down in Mexico, MO and made it their home base. Over the next two decades, they've steadily expanded their territory, extorting food and other supplies from the unfortunate farmers and others who fall under their sway. Once they took Hannibal, they also started charging tolls to ships trading up and down the river through the use of the "Imperial Navy" (read: small boats with machine guns or just loaded with men and women with small-arms). Hunt is into his sixties now and has several children with several different women and he has maintained control of his "empire"solely through personal charisma and brutally murdering anyone who he suspects is plotting against him. This has included at least one of his adult children. Currently his son, Dale Hunt Junior, is angling to take over from him after his death, but has competition from his half-sister, Alicia, who has her own support base (including her mother, Evelyn). They are unlikely to openly move against one another until their father grows too old to effectively wield power (or just drops dead).

Relations with CFC: Hostile. The CFC is seen as a threat to the little empire that's been built and none of the family really want to give up their power.

Objectives: Survive; extract tolls on the river; prevent the CFC from taking over. Would ideally like the CFC to "stay on their side of the river" and are willing to negotiate toll-free passage or non-aggression pacts of one sort or another to avoid getting swatted like a bug.
 
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Wew, isn't this basemap from your post-exchange America TL? Good shit. Would love to see flags for these tiny-ass statelets scattered across the Midwest.

That's right, it is. :) I'm no good at making flags however, someone else will have take that. I guess I could dip into my collection of flags that I've collated from other sources though.

Excellent work.

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That looks like a little over two thirds of Illnois, half of Indiana, a quarter to a third of Michigan, five to ten percent of Wisconsin and Ohio, and a bite of Ontario. Six states and counting.
That's a fair bit of clay.

Thank you! And I won't tell any Canadians that you just called Ontario a "state".:p

It's looking great! I've read a bunch of your map stories, so I cannot wait to see what you do here!

Thanks, I'll try not to disappoint.:)
 


Name: The City of Fort Wayne

Style of Government: About as democratic and Detroit was

Capital: Fort Wayne, IN

Borders: See above

Leadership/History: After a period of bloody anarchy, a brief occupation by a violent gang, and an authoritarian emergency government, the people of Fort Wayne successfully restored a democratic municipal government to their city. They were isolated enough from Victoria that Revivalism could flourish, particularly one of the fifty-odd Revivalist groups in America calling itself the "Sons of Liberty". Pragmatism prevented Fort Wayne from being too openly Revivalist (they weren't that isolated from Victoria), but the Fort Wayne Sons of Liberty were influential enough that a majority of the city council and the mayor were usually sympathetic to the Revivalist Movement, if not quietly members of the FWSL itself. The city opted out of joining the CFC for ideological reasons however, the FWSL are conservatives in the tradition of men like John McCain and Dwight Eisenhower (their manifesto endorses racial and gender equality, also small business, small government, and America's "Judaeo-Christian Principles") and their goal is to reunify the United States under the pre-collapse constitution and system of government, restore the 50 states, hoist the Stars and Stripes again, etcetera. They're very happy that the CFC defeated Victoria, and consider the CFC's reunion of a sizeable swathe of the region a potentially positive development, but they are very turned off by the CFC's leftism, the influence of Communism on its politics, and the degree to which it's simply different from its flag to its constitution from the original United States.

Relations with CFC: Cautious and frustrated. "They beat Victoria, which is awesome, and they're starting to reunify part of the USA, but they won't embrace the old constitution! If they would just ditch the Commie nonsense..."

Objectives: An anti-Victorian alliance would be nice, persuading the CFC to switch to a right-wing approach to Revivalism would be better. That failing they want to promote their branch of the movement while working towards the reunification of the United States under its pre-collapse system of government.
 
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Thank you! And I won't tell any Canadians that you just called Ontario a "state".:p
:p
conservatives in the tradition of men like John McCain and Dwight Eisenhower
*looks at tax rates during Eisenhowers time*
Methinks they might just be a little off. Eisenhower was pre-LBJ but he was post-FDR. Then again, that's generally how legends generally don't have that much resemblance to their reality.

Lovely work though. Hope this one gets taken up.
It's a nice illustration of how well-meaning people can agree on the same general destination without agreeing on the road there.

The Arctic economy was also boosted by the transit of cheap Victorian raw materials and inexpensive Californian manufactured goods, and the agricultural products of both.
Thank god California, at least, is stable and exporting)
I see what you did there.
Here's hoping California can keep their revenge boner under control, even though being exploited for the benefit of a wilfully oblivious few must be galling as fuck.

And that does help explain why the Nordics haven't intervened in Winnipeg.
 
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the FWSL are conservatives in the tradition of men like John McCain and Dwight Eisenhower (their manifesto endorses racial and gender equality, also small business, small government, and America's "Judaeo-Christian Principles") and their goal is to reunify the United States under the pre-collapse constitution and system of government, restore the 50 states, hoist the Stars and Stripes again, etcetera.

Heh, this is literally the entire ideology of the American Constitutional Restorationist Party. Considering how insignificant the ACRP is compared to the larger leftier parties I can see how they'd be put off.
 
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Speaking of bicycles, it's worth noting that you can transport up to ~200kg of cargo on a bicycle. For civilians the mobility and transport implications are pretty big in developing countries, since they can be used on footpaths.

Also, that infantry can march 2x faster on bicycles (6mph versus 3mph) even when going cross country. The Swiss used to operate bicycle soldiers who would strap RPGs into the cargo pannier.
Something to keep in mind for our militia/national guard.

FWIW, the main hindrance to adopting bicycles on a massive scale outside of relatively small outliers was that they required the road space of approximately its cavalry equivalent formation and the infrastructure requirements of a truck-equipped formation (in that the roads need to be of higher quality than dirt and destroyed asphalt to get full use out of it). Well that and also requiring inputs of rubber and aluminum/steel that could also be used for other purposes.

It's going to be a relatively niche thing tbh.
 
yeah,but there is no ''easy and bloddless'' option

warlords are at best opportunistic leaders,self indulgent and barbaric tyrants at worst
negotiating with them,only allows space for the creation of a ''fitfh column'' inside the commonwealth

the midwest commonwealth didnt killed the victorians to allow their little brothers to become a political faction inside of the commonwealth

you gotta take them out from the roots

-offer them surrender,if they surrender their lives will be spared and even offered house arrest (those that commited horrible war crimes will be executed)
-to the lieutenants,offer them similar deals,but harsher procces of judging,similar to nuremberg
-this is vital THEY CANT STAY ON POWER,a utterly total re-structuting of the local political power is needed,many times horrible leaders or their former followers stay in power after the transition period because the governments offered pardons,this later translates into social instability,as radical sympatizers on the government gain more power over time
-take a couple of more inconic and evil warlords and make an example out of them

the message is simple ''your lives will be respected,but resist and you will die''

obviusly this should be only aimed at warlords,local stable governments diplomacy should a lot more gentle

i get people dont like the idea of puting a metaphorical gun behind the warlords heads because of the parallels with victoria
but i preffer that to following the overtrown window
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This isn't my kind of place. I'm no politician. I'm a soldier. I've spent my life as a soldier. I'll probably die a soldier. I'm not suited to this kind of discussion. And besides, given what we're here to do, it wouldn't be proper for a warlord like me to be speaking here."

A mutter goes around the chamber at that, and you smirk. "Of course, I'm hardly the only warlord present, am I? It's not like everybody here today came to power by the democratic will of the people. There's been precious little of that going around, lately. So I suppose you'll all forgive me for speaking anyway." You fold your arms behind your back. "We're not here because we're legitimate governments. We're here because we happened to be in charge. We haven't come to power by consulting our people. We came into power by wresting something out of the chaos in this area. We did what was necessary and effective, not what was right. But that can't continue forever. We're here today because we recognize that. We're here today to seek the consent of the people."
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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

The Founder You watch from a side gallery as the Moderator shuts down yet another shouting match between the various delegates. This Congress isn't turning out as well as you'd hoped...but it is at least doing better than you'd expected. You've worked too long and hard to restore order in this...

I can appreciate the ideals about purging warlords from our ranks, but given the fact that we have multiple warlords in our Congress AND the general of our armed forces , victor over Victoria is a former warlord, who in sidecanon burned and pillaged his way through America, looting towns to keep his men alive just one more day, and presumably hiring recruits .....

Can we hold back the speech a bit enough that we don't target Burns ?
 
FWIW, the main hindrance to adopting bicycles on a massive scale outside of relatively small outliers was that they required the road space of approximately its cavalry equivalent formation and the infrastructure requirements of a truck-equipped formation (in that the roads need to be of higher quality than dirt and destroyed asphalt to get full use out of it). Well that and also requiring inputs of rubber and aluminum/steel that could also be used for other purposes.

It's going to be a relatively niche thing tbh.
Are you sure about that?
Because everything I know both from personal experience and internet research suggested quite the opposite.
Starting with the small outliers thing; the Japanese invaded China in 1937 with 50,000 bicycle infantry.

Here's Wiki on the subject, starting in the 19th century:
Quotes:
Numerous experiments were carried out in the late 19th century to determine the possible role of bicycles and cycling within military establishments, primarily because they can carry more equipment and travel longer distances than walking soldiers. The development of pneumatic tires coupled with shorter, sturdier frames in the late 19th century led military establishments to investigate their applicability.[1] To some extent, bicyclists took over the functions of dragoons, especially as messengers and scouts, substituting for horses in warfare.[2] Bicycle units or detachments were in existence by the end of the 19th century in most armies. The United Kingdom employed bicycle troops in militia or territorial units, rather than in regular units. Essentially this reflected the popularity of cycling amongst the civilian population and the perceived value of bicycles in providing increased mobility for home defence units.[3]

In 1887 the first of a series of cyclist maneuvers involving British volunteer units was held.[4][5] In France, several experimental units were created, starting in 1886.[6] They developed folding bicycles, that could be collapsed and carried slung across the backs of their riders, from an early date. By 1900 each French line infantry and chasseur battalion had a cyclist detachment, intended for skirmishing, scouting and dispatch carrying.
In the United States, the most extensive experimentation on bicycle units was carried out by 1st Lieutenant Moss, of the 25th United States Infantry (Colored) (an African American infantry regiment with European American officers). Using a variety of cycle models, Moss and his troops carried out extensive bicycle journeys covering between 800 and 1,900 miles (1287 to 3058 km). Late in the 19th century the United States Army tested the bicycle's suitability for cross-country troop transport. Buffalo Soldiers stationed in Montana rode bicycles across roadless landscapes for hundreds of miles at high speed. The "wheelmen" traveled the 1,900 Miles to St. Louis Missouri in 40 days with an average speed of over 6 mph.
During World War I cycle-mounted infantry, scouts, messengers and ambulance carriers were extensively used by all combatants. Italy used bicycles with the Bersaglieri (light infantry units) until the end of the war. German Army Jäger (light infantry) battalions each had a bicycle company (Radfahr-Kompanie) at the outbreak of the war, and additional units were raised during the war, bringing the total to 80 companies. A number of these were formed into eight Radfahr-Bataillonen (bicycle battalions). The British Army had cyclist companies in its divisions, and later two whole divisions became cyclists: 1st and 2nd Cyclist Divisions.

In its 1937 invasion of China, Japan employed some 50,000 bicycle troops. Early in World War II their southern campaign through Malaya en route to capturing Singapore in 1941 was largely dependent on bicycle-riding soldiers. In both efforts bicycles allowed quiet and flexible transport of thousands of troops who were then able to surprise and confuse the defenders
. Bicycles also made few demands on the Japanese war machine, needing neither trucks nor ships to transport them, nor precious petroleum. Although the Japanese were under orders not to embark for Malaya with bicycles, for fear of slowing up amphibious landings, they knew from intelligence that bicycles were plentiful in Malaya and moved to systematically confiscate bicycles from civilians and retailers as soon as they landed. Using bicycles, the Japanese troops were able to move faster than the withdrawing Allied Forces, often successfully cutting off their retreat. The speed of Japanese advance, usually along plantation roads, native paths and over improvised bridges, also caught Allied Forces defending the main roads and river crossings by surprise, by attacking them from the rear. However, there were one or two cases of Australian troops turning the tables on the Japanese by isolating cycle troops from their accompanying motorized forces after blowing up bridges over rivers. Another advantage that the Japanese had with using bicycles was that it allowed an individual soldier to carry more without needing to rest and resupply often: British soldiers carried only 18 kilograms of equipment in order to march long distances through the jungles whereas Japanese bicycle soldiers could carry 36 kilograms of equipment.


During the Invasion of Poland of 1939, most Polish infantry divisions included a company of bicycle-riding scouts. The equipment of each bicycle company included 196 bicycles, 1 motorcycle with sidecar, and 9 horse-drawn supply carts, plus three to six anti-tank rifles and standard infantry equipment such as machine guns, rifles, pistols, and hand grenades.[9][circular reference]
By 1939, the Swedish Army operated six bicycle infantry regiments. They were equipped with domestically produced Swedish military bicycles.
In the past few decades, however, they have taken on a new life as a "weapon of the people" in guerrilla conflicts and unconventional warfare, where the cycle's ability to carry large, about 400 lb (180 kg), loads of supplies at the speed of a pedestrian make it useful for lightly equipped forces. For many years the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Army used bicycles to ferry supplies down the "Ho Chi Minh trail", avoiding the repeated attacks of United States and Allied bombing raids. When heavily loaded with supplies such as sacks of rice, these bicycles were seldom rideable, but were pushed by a tender walking alongside.
The use of the cycle as an infantry transport tool continued into the 21st century with the Swiss Army's Bicycle Regiment, which maintained drills for infantry movement and attack until 2001, when the decision was made to phase the unit out.[10]
The Finnish Defence Forces still trains all conscripts to use bicycles and skis.[11]
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From what I can tell, it just got superseded by motor vehicles in the West.

We OTOH currently have a shortage of petroleum and motor vehicles, both military and civilian. And even after we solve that shortage, the hinterlands of America are full of people with no access to cheap motor fuel or vehicles, and for whom bicycles would be a major force multiplier in both civilian and military life. For both civilian activists trying to move around unnoticed, and military groups trying to redeploy.

And both personal experience and military records certainly suggests that a bicycle vastly outruns plain foot travel even on dirt footpaths.

And note that there are allegedly in excess of 1 billion bicycles working at any given time, with the most popular model being the Chinese Flying Pidgeon, with over 500 million in service.
The most numerous vehicle in existence.
 
I actually want to ask, what sort of gear are we talking about our military's engineers and the like having? I know our logistics are motorized, but are our engineers and the like able to use stuff like armoured recovery vehicles, bridgelayers, bulldozers, etc? I don't doubt our Big Red One brigade has some of that stuff with the rest of their OWE, but the other 5 divisions of our military will probably need something more than muscle power long term. (Similarly, I wonder if we have cranes, dozers, etc for civilian construction, or even a production line for those, or if we're reliant on the remnants of precollapse equipment after the Victorians smashed our factories)

If we don't have any engineering vehicles, perhaps we could try converting captured T-34s if we have any? They're a century out of date as tanks but I imagine they could conceivably be passable minerollers, bulldozers, bridgelayers, or self-propelled howitzers since we're likely reliant on towed artillery outside our charges of OWE. They also have diesel engines, which I think means they can run on things other than oil in a pinch. I'm not sure on our ability to get production up and going on heavy machinery and any production we do have will likely be used to get our civilian economy going and rebuilding infrastructure.
 
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