Voting is open
But selling your cultural heritage to eat is pretty tragic)
Not as tragic as starving.
I'm not really sure that this is the best comparison, because nobody has been arguing not to spend AP on solving our food security issues this next turn. That's not what the extra AP would be for. The most common points have been that the extra AP would allow faster industrialization by completing actions like Oil Extraction or Infrastructure Projects.

Not sure if selling cultural artifacts for a working railway network or an oil refinery or three is more or less tragic than selling cultural artifacts for food, but nobody is going to starve because we did or didn't sell off stuff like the Liberty Bell. (They might starve anyways, but that'd be because we put AP towards other stuff or had terrible dice rolls rather than being completely out of AP)
 
All right, folks, bit later than anticipated, but the vote is closed. Let's have a tally and-

Vote Tally : Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!] | Page 715 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 17852-18662]
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[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.
No. of Votes: 103
[x] Iandude0
[X] Abhorsen
[X] Abyssal_light
[X] aceraptor
[X] Alanek
[X] aledeth
[X] Altered
[X] Andy0915
[X] Anime_Fan35
[X] Aurelian
[X] bdun140
[X] Blackstar
[X] Bones
[X] Bullmoose
[X] Carismastic
[X] Chaos Blade
[X] Cmd. Frost
[X] Cmmdfugal
[X] ConfusedCanuck
[X] cordova
[X] Corripere
[X] Crazy7s1
[X] CthuluWasRight
[x] ctulhuslp
[X] Cyberphilosipher
[X] Deathbybunnies
[X] DeepFriedMarsBar
[X] Derkan
[X] Dessard
[X] EBR
[X] Foxwood
[X] Genji
[X] Himiko
[X] Horologer
[X] huhYeahGoodPoint
[X] Inferno23
[X] inirlan
[X] invictus1829
[X] jamie96969
[X] jy3
[X] Karugus
[X] kelgar04
[X] kilopi505
[X] KnightDisciple
[X] kobo
[X] Libandlearn
[X] Lightwhispers
[X] LonelyWolf999
[X] Lord Marshal
[X] luhar1997
[X] Luminous
[X] MagusBlack
[X] Mask
[X] me.me.here
[X] MonkeyTypewriter
[X] MooGoesCow21
[X] Mortenkam
[X] Negentropy
[X] notbirdofprey
[X] NottheCrabs!
[X] NuclearConsensus
[X] Oshha
[X] overtoast
[X] Pantegral
[X] Parzival95
[X] picklepikkl
[X] Pittauro
[X] Polenball
[x] Professor Vesca
[X] Pyro Hawk
[X] PyroTechno
[X] QTesseract
[X] Reliable_2IC
[X] Rhodes
[X] Rockeye
[X] Rooster196
[X] Rui
[X] Ruirk
[x] S-159A1
[X] ScreenWatcher
[X] Secondskink
[X] Shard of Victory
[X] Shinr
[X] Speed53066
[X] Stabbtmcstabstab
[X] Starwarlord
[X] Strypgia
[X] tapkomet
[X] The Grim Squeaker
[X] Timewinders
[X] TortugaGreen
[X] Twiggierjet
[X] tygerbright
[X] Ugolino
[X] uju32
[X] Uniquelyequal
[X] veekie
[X] Vocalend
[X] Void Stalker
[X] Weird Guy
[X] Whachamacallit
[X] wingstrike96
[X] Zefferen

[X] Split the difference. New York has the means to better care for some of the more fragile / maintenance-intensive items, but you'd like to hang onto the rest (Gain 1 AP, 2 Legitimacy)
No. of Votes: 59

[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
No. of Votes: 57

[X] Adopt the metric system wholesale. -1 Legitimacy for not sticking to US Imperial.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] jy3


Total No. of Voters: 185

>185 voters

Holy shit.

Your winner, in a full and proper majority, is

[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.

Next comes the update!
 
Canon Omake: Three-Year Plan Proposal
Dear Madam President,

The following document has been written by a group of engineers, thinkers, and industrialists who wish to assist in the betterment of the Commonwealth. Over the past handful of years, we have gone over the current economic capability and characteristics of the Commonwealth. In this document, we have highlighted areas of the economy most suitable for development and attached proposals on how to best go about doing so.

Thank you for your consideration.



Unified Commonwealth Industrial 3 Year Plan

First-line production (Processing of ore to metal/feedstock)

Coal

Coal ore processing and production must be increased in order to supply the wider region with both heating fuel and power. We have the largest coal basin right under us, we may as well make it work for our good. Due to said large deposits of good quality coal, a lot of things are on the table, but firstly the most important of them is consistent power and heating infrastructure.

As for international aid that can assist in this priority should go to equipment that can increase the depth of coal mining, while tighter integration of transport and extraction can improve efficiency. Given a few years, we should be able to heat every home with electricity rather than coal and retire it to being a fuel for our power-plants rather than being used directly.

Another fortunate effect of our continuous coal mining is that we have a trained stock of personnel that is almost definitely willing to teach newcomers, and as long as the structuring of the teaching works well, we should have a good basis for expanding the industry while not facing an acute shortage of trained manpower.

As an aside for the economical cost, first-line increases in coal production would be one of the cheapest improvements in base supply that we could make and could make us one of the largest coal exporters. Due to China being offline, and with the European coal fields consisting of brown coal, we have the option of being a strong coal exporter.

Iron/Manganese ore

For iron mining, we have decent deposits under us, along with one of the world's largest deposits to our direct north near lake superior. Exploiting both or funding the exploitation of the Superior deposits would provide us a good industrial basis for steel production, providing the bulk of resources needed while at the same time having a nearly inexhaustible supply of ore.

Due to the format of both of these mines as pit-mines, heavy trucks along with other transport machinery would be the main import goals, as they boost the speed at which we can expand. Also, as these are simple open-pit mines they will only need their heavy equipment to be useful once more. Given the foreign import market and the number of old mining trucks we can buy, this is also a fairly cheap item to expand at little cost, and every bit of machinery we ship home increases the amount we can extract.

Cement

Another critical component that we have in spades across multiple quarries in the southern commonwealth (South Illinois). For this, some processing is required, but in general, the amount of industry and power involved is fairly minimal, allowing a considerable amount of buildup with minimal imports. Thus to increase the production of this, along with other pit-mined goods more heavy trucks are needed, but fortunately, they are fairly cheap to buy from supply companies as older ones are rapidly competed out of the market.

Sulfuric Acid/Sulfite Processing

The most critical product for the chemical industry, and one that we are fortunately surrounded by. This forms the basis of all chemical synthesis and production while also providing the driving form for many reactions. Our coal and oil deposits are heavy in it, allowing easy economic extraction. The main issue with its production is the relative energy intensity of the process and how much electric power is needed.

For this, our best bet is going to be importing some high chromium steel for the production vessels, along with the whole-sale purchase of old coal power plant turbines if we can get them. Any production of sulfuric acid forms the basis for all nitric acid production and most antibiotics. I cannot emphasize how critical this stuff is to produce in that it forms the entire backbone of any chemical industry we make, along with being needed to prepare semiconductor dopants.

Heavy Sour Crude

Our poor quality oil that we actually have a reasonably decent deposit of. It's sulfur heavy, it's full of heavier material, and is all-round sub-optimal for making lighter fuels, but, with the gifts of the international market. We can process it and set up mass production of its products for a reasonable cost. Due to the lack of extraction of our deposit due to the previous instability in the region, it should be able to be pumped at a reasonable cost, especially given that drilling technology has to have advanced considerably in the time passed.

In terms of what to get internationally, just some derricks and ability to hydro-frack would let us get good quantities of the oil out of the ground, but processing and re-building the refinery infrastructure is going to be a challenging endeavor. Assuming we cannot do oil cracking, and go for the cheaper options, this would mean that we would at best produce workable quantities of Diesel and fuel oil, with masses of bitumen. If we can crack, the world opens up to us and allows us to produce masses upon masses of diesel fuel for all uses. While it would mean that gasoline isn't going to be economical for us to make for a few years, we can have a reliable domestic fuel industry for use in the military and civilian market.

Crops/Food

We are the breadbasket region, and this is very apparent in the amount of food we can produce, along with the degree we can ramp up food production across the commonwealth. The biggest factor in all of this is going to be the persistent mechanization to reduce manpower in the sector, along with centralization and scientific work on new seed crops to increase yields further. Along with may be offering farmers classes so that they can become up to date on the latest agricultural information, to further increase yields.

Another thing to import would be chemical pesticides, and synthetic fertilizer, as both were heavily responsible for the increase of per-acre yields, and both should be fairly cheap to buy in bulk. From there, these imports should last us long enough to get our own local production up to a reasonable extent, allowing us to shift into modern agriculture and make a region that can feed thousands.

Supporting Industry (Stuff that we need to make more)

Electricity

The most critical thing that we need for building up our state and allowing us to get more industrial production. Electricity would also form the basis of a lot of industry and would allow the centralization of coal-burning into a much more efficient configuration, allowing us to use less coal, and to concentrate the smog into regions that are not absolutely critical, rather than burning it in homes for heating. Plus, electrification would allow us to start distributing out, along with providing a significant market for any consumer goods that we can produce, further allowing an increase in production and quality of life across the commonwealth.

In terms of accomplishing this, we have one very easy local means and foreign dependant means. The first of these would involve the construction of coal power plants using our prodigious coal deposits, allowing cheap and easy power that we can build more and more of using locally available materials. At most this would require the import of the turbines and catalytic converters to remove the risk of acid rain. Allowing us to save imported foreign currency for other projects.

The other option would be importing solar panels and reflective mirrors allowing us to rapidly set up cheap clean power. This, however, would be fully foreign tech dependant, outside of us making concentrated solar power, and with our tech level/currency exchanges, would be a massive expensive option that may not even fit our goals or economic capability for a few years. Thus, this commission would recommend the construction of additional coal power, as it's cheaper, easier, and would give us a good basis for later industrialization.

Whatever option we take, however, we are going to need international experts and instructors to teach our people how to make infrastructure in the most efficient manner. Along with the general updates to our power transmission infrastructure and turbine designs that would greatly increase the power we can get out. Along with reducing the losses during transport that will become more and more of an issue as our state grows.

Rail/Rail transport

A big nice to have for us, and what would tie all of our industrial options together most optimally would be a rail system. Going for a pie in the sky idea that we could maybe implement if we time it well with the implementation of electric power, would be an all-electric rail system, in that rather than relying on considerably less efficient locomotives and engines. We can use much more efficiently produced grid power to power our trains. This would coincide well with us building up electrical infrastructure and would give a good basis for further train movement.

To accomplish this, any buildup in rail infrastructure would be accompanied by power lines along with link-ups for electric trains. The large advantage for doing it from the start, however, comes in the fact that we can pre-plan and standardize a lot of concerns when it comes to the general electrification of our rail lines, and ensure that efficiency standards are similar across the board due to us needing to build all of the novel capacity either way. And as long as we can combine the actions of constructing power plants with expanding railways, we can manage this as a combined effort.

In terms of international aid, the most prominent factor here would be the same as the question of power plants, as those require components that are challenging for us to build at best, and massively benefit from the import of components such as turbines, along with industrial engineers.

Information Distribution or Workforce Education

A key part of our efforts to improve our nation is to improve access to information. Factory workers, engineers, planners, and scientists must be educated as well as exposed to ideas to encourage development.

Libraries should be made one of the centers of this effort, with career and trade fairs held to disseminate methods and techniques to help new industries grow. They will also act as a way to motivate the youths into identifying a career or field that most interests them so they can begin pursuing it.

On the front of education itself, we need to build a strong system to provide as best an education as we are able to. Local education systems should be networked together so prospective students across the nation can consider the best school for their needs.

To support both efforts, foreign databases should be obtained via any means necessary. These will help round out large gaps in our information base. We also should make an effort to attract foreign professors and instructors.

Road Infrastructure

Our road infrastructure is roughly non-existent and will likely still be lacking even with any reasonable industrial effort due to the low relative priority of the systems. Their primary use would be moving vehicles and machinery between cities, along with some limited civilian traffic due to small amounts of fuel that is available. Thus, any road expansion that we do should be small and reasonable but left with the opportunity for expansion, such as for now using the extra space to the side of roads as greenery, and expanding them later on if the demand is there.

In terms of approach to making the roads, we can broadly split the construction into two categories, large roads, and smaller sub-roads. For the larger ones, concrete pre-fabs offer both cost and maintenance benefits and would co-encode will with expansion later on, while also consuming the same resources that heavy industrial production of concrete and housing pre-fabs, allowing the industry to pull double duty. For smaller roads, we can use our prodigious amounts of bitumen to simply and cheaply make sub roads by just casting them out and rolling them down.

Recycling/Resource Efficiency

In terms of our current resource scarcity of certain rare materials, policies such as chromium rationing and recycling should play a massive role in our developing industrial priorities. As there are no real substitutes for it in the realm of acid-resistant steel production. Thus, a reasonable reclamation and recycling department would help massively. As it would allow us to collect pre-collapse or old material and fashion it into new much more useful goods.

As a baseline suggestion, making a dedicated organization for this purpose would be a nice thing to have, along with making a media push to encourage people to recycle/donate/look for goods and items with industry critical materials for significant monetary compensation. We will not always have the international pipe-line of resources, and any program we can implement to reduce our usage of them will go a long way.

Safety and Quality Control

While production is important there should also be some thought to the safety of the workers as properly trained workers are difficult to replace en mass. Thus, we do need some form of OSHA to be made in order to ensure that safety standards are followed and that there are reasonable penalties for not following them and squandering our limited pool of trained manpower. Asbestos is prohibited from industrial or any other use. Human life will not be willfully sacrificed for industrial or economic gain.

As to quality control, creating a centralized industrial regulatory agency for the quality of produced goods, along with standards in testing would go a long way towards ensuring that there are no inconsistencies in our production. This would assist with our export of goods to the international market, along with ensuring that whatever we use domestically keeps to reasonably and minimal quality standards.

Workforce Management

One of the most important aspects of our industrial expansion is to ensure that we correctly manage all of our resources, human included. Those out of work and actively looking for work should be assisted in looking for work as best as possible. Those with disabilities or other conditions that inhibit their work in certain industries should be provided with jobs that they are still able to do with a reasonable degree of efficiency.

The workforce as a greater body is predominantly unionized at this point and should remain so. The government should coordinate with unions and workers communes to ensure that manpower is not spent unduly on industries that do not need too.

Child labor laws will be implemented, with the earliest age someone can work is 16 years, and only with parental permission. They must also prioritize academic development. At the age of 17, anyone may work without parental permission but still must focus on academics. At 18, these limitations are no longer in effect.

Light industrial production (Consumer goods and small manufacturing).

Government Actions

Our baseline for Light Industry is quite strong at the moment as it is the cornerstone of our economy. We have a good deal of people experienced with local production of a variety of goods both military and civilian to draw from for practical expertise. Their distributed nature also helps ensure that no one community is a major strategic target at this time.

The immediate goal for our light industry coming out of the peace talks should be to expand it to supply civilian consumer goods to raise the standard of living as well as the size of the economy, use what we have to begin laying the groundwork for heavy industrial expansion.

To go about expanding our light industry, there will need to be a mix of government and private effort. Existing manufacturers should be incentivized into producing tools and equipment for the starting up of additional workshops, manufacturing communes, and maker spaces.

Beyond incentives, the federal and local governments should also go about obtaining tools and machinery to provide to the above entities in less wealthy areas with at least some tooling to both expand industry and create wealth.

Accompanying asset assistance, government funds should be allocated to new manufacturing entities to service the massive civilian goods demand. Military manufacturing should not be cast aside, but as it stands we need to increase the prosperity of the common commonwealth citizen. This not only raises the standard of living but also increases the size of our economy and how much resources we can dedicate to efforts besides survival.

Heavy industrial production (Industrial goods for the construction of more industry/infrastructure)

Steel

THE most important industrial resources that we can produce en mass and the critical component to so many other sectors of our society and construction. Unfortunately for us, there are considerable limitations on the quality of steel we can make, and this report will subdivide the different categories of steel, along with separating out the foreign relations measures that we can take in order to further optimize production.

To begin one of our first priorities should be structural steel in that it is the most widely used and cheapest steel that we will employ for most applications. For this category, cheap low-mid carbon steel would be ideal. In terms of application, A36 is a good candidate [see attached data sheet(1)], it has decent mechanical properties, uses only local resources, and is decent all-round steel. It can be made cheaply with no import-dependent parts, and massive centralized mega-foundries for it should be set up to ensure a rapid upgrade of infrastructure. This stuff can be used everywhere from rails to buildings and would form the basis of most construction efforts due to its acceptable mechanical properties for almost all non-specialty applications. For anti-corrosion efforts, we can always galvanize the steel using zinc to ensure that corrosion is kept to acceptable levels.

As to tool steels and hardened steels, our best choice is 38MnB5 Boron Steel (2), as it does not use any imported materials to make it while providing good levels of durability and hardenability while being a reasonable intermediary for other applications. In terms of military use, it does not spall as prodigiously as other tool steels and can form an acceptable form of armored plating, while at the same time being hardenable enough for both applications. This would be our general steel for constructing most military equipment and industrial machinery, but, due to its lacking resistance to corrosion, it needs to be galvanized with zinc as well to ensure that it does not rust.

In terms of stainless steel, there are two approaches available to the Commonwealth due to our great limitations in the realm of chromium production. This leaves us with two options, one possibility is the use of novel aluminum manganese composites in the greater steel (3). As long as hard acids are not being worked with, this would work well to create near-total corrosion-resistant materials. When it comes to acid-resistant steel grades though, there are no alternatives to chromium and will require imports and rationing of it to ensure that we will have enough to last, but fortunately, highly acidic environments are only going to be present in industrial and chemical machinery, thus allowing us to get buy with imports and rationing, as long as we are careful with our stocks.

Aluminum

Another critical but very energy-intensive material that is needed as a light composite for many industrial and civilian applications. The main issue with its production is the electrolysis process needed being extremely energy-intensive along with alumina being hard to separate out, necessitating a great increase in power production to ensure that we can make enough for our needs, especially if an aerospace industry develops.

The alloying materials though are a branch of good news, as almost all aluminum alloys use materials that we have locally, and do not need to import, with the exception of ultra-high temperature ones used in some aerospace applications. This allows us to build almost anything out of aluminum, and as long as we can supply the power production to make enough of it.

As to international imports that would help the most with this, corrosion-resistant electrodes would optimally reduce machinery wear while at the same time ensuring that we can keep up production of Aluminum. While these would be a major one time cost due to the material rarity involved in the electrons.

Concrete Prefabs
Another critical infrastructure resource that is needed to build up our cities and roads while at the same time massively benefiting from economies of scale that are involved in its production. Using central factories for processing aggregate and cement into them, we can massively ramp up production, and use them as an almost standard construction material in almost any new structure we put up. At the same time, this produces a material with acceptable properties that we can standardize on to further simplify the production of houses and other domiciles, while also using it for roads. As long as we can make pre-fabs and cement bricks, we can make almost any modern building to reasonable standards for low costs.

Industrial Machinery
Another critical thing to build up for the point of increasing production across the Commonwealth and is needed to ensure that we can keep up the economic boom. Although, we should be careful not to repeat the soviet mistakes of making too much industrial machinery. Here, for the first phases, we are going to need to import the first bits of machinery from foreign markets to allow us to rapidly build up our own native capacity. Along with the experts needed to operate and run it in the short term as our own industrial ventures are built up. The opening of other imports for this branch is critical and cannot be stated enough that the obsolete runoff/hand me downs from international markets will save us masses of time and effort, along with boot-strapping the entire future industrial economy that we wish to make.

Chip foundries
Here the foreign market and the import of trained personnel really come into play, as the presence of these would allow us to make our own electronics en mass without needing to rely on imports and basic circuitry. We have no option but to try and buy obsolete equipment from the international market and then implement its production. This would give a limited degree of production for local electronics and allow us to start digitizing our economy fairly rapidly. While this would not let us make up to date devices, a generation behind the current European market is still going to be an amazing leap forward and would allow a whole new revelation in how we operate our systems and economy.

Polymer Industry

In terms of polymer and plastic production, we have heavy oil, easily opening the door for the production of any plastic item we would wish for. While this production would take skilled personnel and necessitate considerable investment of capital, we have a near-optimal resource base for the production of all common plastic types.

Given some foreign expertise, we can easily build up massive plastic production and even use it as an export market due to our considerable reserves of heavy oil. As another aside, polymer production from the plastics would allow a revelation in quality of life across the Commonwealth, as many heavier items can be neatly replaced by plastic. This would also allow us to make new higher quality urban infrastructure projects due to plastic decaying slower, and being cheaper to produce the most metal alternatives. And it would be a good export market and a good target for foreign investment.

Non-Supporting Chemical Industry (Chemicals that are valuable as chemicals)

Sulfa Antibiotics
Using the production of sulfuric acid and our petrochemical industry, it becomes fairly simple to make most Sulfa antibiotics, greatly improving population health and growth, along with providing a cheap antibiotic that can be mass-produced and mass issued. And, as long as reasonable and sane policies are adhered to in usage we can prevent a good amount of antibiotic resistance. These would, however, include the avoidance of usage of antibiotics on livestock until our arsenal of antibiotics expands considerably. Fortunately for us, the production of these is a very simple endeavor and can be done with the very minimal chemical industry, allowing us to mass issue them out in the short term to anyone that needs them.

Nitrogen Fixing/Ammonia
THE most critical component of the modern agricultural revolution, and the means that allows us to massively ramp up agricultural productivity through the usage of modern fertilizers. It is needed for almost all chemical industrial production from explosives to fertilizer, and machinery for it should be our number one priority with access to the international market over any other industrial machinery. This suddenly allows us to mass-produce any form of fertilizer that is needed for the minor cost of power and would let us have our own little green revolution. Again, it cannot be reiterated how important this process is to us, as it forms the basis of so much of the industrial production that is needed to keep up food yields and to fight a war.

Work Cited/Referenced because the steel argument between engineers never ends

https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6117
(1)Steel grade for A36 Structural steel

https://www.salzgitter-flachstahl.de/fileadmin/mediadb/szfg/informationsmaterial/produktinformationen/warmgewalzte_produkte/eng/37mnb5.pdf
(2) Boron steel performance/composition

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-16919-4_27
(3) Alternative oxidation protection in basic/barely acidic environments

Authors note: This is a bit of collaborative work by me and @TheFantasticFox as we decided to go through all of our industrialization options/be bored engineers and made a large summary of stuff we can do TM.
 
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Dear Madam President,

The following document has been written by a group of engineers, thinkers, and industrialists who wish to assist in the betterment of the Commonwealth. Over the past handful of years, we have gone over the current economic capability and characteristics of the Commonwealth. In this document, we have highlighted areas of the economy most suitable for development and attached proposals on how to best go about doing so.

Thank you for your consideration.



Unified Commonwealth Industrial 3 Year Plan

First-line production (Processing of ore to metal/feedstock)

Coal

Coal ore processing and production must be increased in order to supply the wider region with both heating fuel and power. We have the largest coal basin right under us, we may as well make it work for our good. Due to said large deposits of good quality coal, a lot of things are on the table, but firstly the most important of them is consistent power and heating infrastructure.

As for international aid that can assist in this priority should go to equipment that can increase the depth of coal mining, while tighter integration of transport and extraction can improve efficiency. Given a few years, we should be able to heat every home with electricity rather than coal and retire it to being a fuel for our power-plants rather than being used directly.

Another fortunate effect of our continuous coal mining is that we have a trained stock of personnel that is almost definitely willing to teach newcomers, and as long as the structuring of the teaching works well, we should have a good basis for expanding the industry while not facing an acute shortage of trained manpower.

As an aside for the economical cost, first-line increases in coal production would be one of the cheapest improvements in base supply that we could make and could make us one of the largest coal exporters. Due to China being offline, and with the European coal fields consisting of brown coal, we have the option of being a strong coal exporter.

Iron/Manganese ore

For iron mining, we have decent deposits under us, along with one of the world's largest deposits to our direct north near lake superior. Exploiting both or funding the exploitation of the Superior deposits would provide us a good industrial basis for steel production, providing the bulk of resources needed while at the same time having a nearly inexhaustible supply of ore.

Due to the format of both of these mines as pit-mines, heavy trucks along with other transport machinery would be the main import goals, as they boost the speed at which we can expand. Also, as these are simple open-pit mines they will only need their heavy equipment to be useful once more. Given the foreign import market and the number of old mining trucks we can buy, this is also a fairly cheap item to expand at little cost, and every bit of machinery we ship home increases the amount we can extract.

Cement

Another critical component that we have in spades across multiple quarries in the southern commonwealth (South Illinois). For this, some processing is required, but in general, the amount of industry and power involved is fairly minimal, allowing a considerable amount of buildup with minimal imports. Thus to increase the production of this, along with other pit-mined goods more heavy trucks are needed, but fortunately, they are fairly cheap to buy from supply companies as older ones are rapidly competed out of the market.

Sulfuric Acid/Sulfite Processing

The most critical product for the chemical industry, and one that we are fortunately surrounded by. This forms the basis of all chemical synthesis and production while also providing the driving form for many reactions. Our coal and oil deposits are heavy in it, allowing easy economic extraction. The main issue with its production is the relative energy intensity of the process and how much electric power is needed.

For this, our best bet is going to be importing some high chromium steel for the production vessels, along with the whole-sale purchase of old coal power plant turbines if we can get them. Any production of sulfuric acid forms the basis for all nitric acid production and most antibiotics. I cannot emphasize how critical this stuff is to produce in that it forms the entire backbone of any chemical industry we make, along with being needed to prepare semiconductor dopants.

Heavy Sour Crude

Our poor quality oil that we actually have a reasonably decent deposit of. It's sulfur heavy, it's full of heavier material, and is all-round sub-optimal for making lighter fuels, but, with the gifts of the international market. We can process it and set up mass production of its products for a reasonable cost. Due to the lack of extraction of our deposit due to the previous instability in the region, it should be able to be pumped at a reasonable cost, especially given that drilling technology has to have advanced considerably in the time passed.

In terms of what to get internationally, just some derricks and ability to hydro-frack would let us get good quantities of the oil out of the ground, but processing and re-building the refinery infrastructure is going to be a challenging endeavor. Assuming we cannot do oil cracking, and go for the cheaper options, this would mean that we would at best produce workable quantities of Diesel and fuel oil, with masses of bitumen. If we can crack, the world opens up to us and allows us to produce masses upon masses of diesel fuel for all uses. While it would mean that gasoline isn't going to be economical for us to make for a few years, we can have a reliable domestic fuel industry for use in the military and civilian market.

Crops/Food

We are the breadbasket region, and this is very apparent in the amount of food we can produce, along with the degree we can ramp up food production across the commonwealth. The biggest factor in all of this is going to be the persistent mechanization to reduce manpower in the sector, along with centralization and scientific work on new seed crops to increase yields further. Along with may be offering farmers classes so that they can become up to date on the latest agricultural information, to further increase yields.

Another thing to import would be chemical pesticides, and synthetic fertilizer, as both were heavily responsible for the increase of per-acre yields, and both should be fairly cheap to buy in bulk. From there, these imports should last us long enough to get our own local production up to a reasonable extent, allowing us to shift into modern agriculture and make a region that can feed thousands.

Supporting Industry (Stuff that we need to make more)

Electricity

The most critical thing that we need for building up our state and allowing us to get more industrial production. Electricity would also form the basis of a lot of industry and would allow the centralization of coal-burning into a much more efficient configuration, allowing us to use less coal, and to concentrate the smog into regions that are not absolutely critical, rather than burning it in homes for heating. Plus, electrification would allow us to start distributing out, along with providing a significant market for any consumer goods that we can produce, further allowing an increase in production and quality of life across the commonwealth.

In terms of accomplishing this, we have one very easy local means and foreign dependant means. The first of these would involve the construction of coal power plants using our prodigious coal deposits, allowing cheap and easy power that we can build more and more of using locally available materials. At most this would require the import of the turbines and catalytic converters to remove the risk of acid rain. Allowing us to save imported foreign currency for other projects.

The other option would be importing solar panels and reflective mirrors allowing us to rapidly set up cheap clean power. This, however, would be fully foreign tech dependant, outside of us making concentrated solar power, and with our tech level/currency exchanges, would be a massive expensive option that may not even fit our goals or economic capability for a few years. Thus, this commission would recommend the construction of additional coal power, as it's cheaper, easier, and would give us a good basis for later industrialization.

Whatever option we take, however, we are going to need international experts and instructors to teach our people how to make infrastructure in the most efficient manner. Along with the general updates to our power transmission infrastructure and turbine designs that would greatly increase the power we can get out. Along with reducing the losses during transport that will become more and more of an issue as our state grows.

Rail/Rail transport

A big nice to have for us, and what would tie all of our industrial options together most optimally would be a rail system. Going for a pie in the sky idea that we could maybe implement if we time it well with the implementation of electric power, would be an all-electric rail system, in that rather than relying on considerably less efficient locomotives and engines. We can use much more efficiently produced grid power to power our trains. This would coincide well with us building up electrical infrastructure and would give a good basis for further train movement.

To accomplish this, any buildup in rail infrastructure would be accompanied by power lines along with link-ups for electric trains. The large advantage for doing it from the start, however, comes in the fact that we can pre-plan and standardize a lot of concerns when it comes to the general electrification of our rail lines, and ensure that efficiency standards are similar across the board due to us needing to build all of the novel capacity either way. And as long as we can combine the actions of constructing power plants with expanding railways, we can manage this as a combined effort.

In terms of international aid, the most prominent factor here would be the same as the question of power plants, as those require components that are challenging for us to build at best, and massively benefit from the import of components such as turbines, along with industrial engineers.

Information Distribution or Workforce Education

A key part of our efforts to improve our nation is to improve access to information. Factory workers, engineers, planners, and scientists must be educated as well as exposed to ideas to encourage development.

Libraries should be made one of the centers of this effort, with career and trade fairs held to disseminate methods and techniques to help new industries grow. They will also act as a way to motivate the youths into identifying a career or field that most interests them so they can begin pursuing it.

On the front of education itself, we need to build a strong system to provide as best an education as we are able to. Local education systems should be networked together so prospective students across the nation can consider the best school for their needs.

To support both efforts, foreign databases should be obtained via any means necessary. These will help round out large gaps in our information base. We also should make an effort to attract foreign professors and instructors.

Road Infrastructure

Our road infrastructure is roughly non-existent and will likely still be lacking even with any reasonable industrial effort due to the low relative priority of the systems. Their primary use would be moving vehicles and machinery between cities, along with some limited civilian traffic due to small amounts of fuel that is available. Thus, any road expansion that we do should be small and reasonable but left with the opportunity for expansion, such as for now using the extra space to the side of roads as greenery, and expanding them later on if the demand is there.

In terms of approach to making the roads, we can broadly split the construction into two categories, large roads, and smaller sub-roads. For the larger ones, concrete pre-fabs offer both cost and maintenance benefits and would co-encode will with expansion later on, while also consuming the same resources that heavy industrial production of concrete and housing pre-fabs, allowing the industry to pull double duty. For smaller roads, we can use our prodigious amounts of bitumen to simply and cheaply make sub roads by just casting them out and rolling them down.

Recycling/Resource Efficiency

In terms of our current resource scarcity of certain rare materials, policies such as chromium rationing and recycling should play a massive role in our developing industrial priorities. As there are no real substitutes for it in the realm of acid-resistant steel production. Thus, a reasonable reclamation and recycling department would help massively. As it would allow us to collect pre-collapse or old material and fashion it into new much more useful goods.

As a baseline suggestion, making a dedicated organization for this purpose would be a nice thing to have, along with making a media push to encourage people to recycle/donate/look for goods and items with industry critical materials for significant monetary compensation. We will not always have the international pipe-line of resources, and any program we can implement to reduce our usage of them will go a long way.

Safety and Quality Control

While production is important there should also be some thought to the safety of the workers as properly trained workers are difficult to replace en mass. Thus, we do need some form of OSHA to be made in order to ensure that safety standards are followed and that there are reasonable penalties for not following them and squandering our limited pool of trained manpower. Asbestos is prohibited from industrial or any other use. Human life will not be willfully sacrificed for industrial or economic gain.

As to quality control, creating a centralized industrial regulatory agency for the quality of produced goods, along with standards in testing would go a long way towards ensuring that there are no inconsistencies in our production. This would assist with our export of goods to the international market, along with ensuring that whatever we use domestically keeps to reasonably and minimal quality standards.

Workforce Management

One of the most important aspects of our industrial expansion is to ensure that we correctly manage all of our resources, human included. Those out of work and actively looking for work should be assisted in looking for work as best as possible. Those with disabilities or other conditions that inhibit their work in certain industries should be provided with jobs that they are still able to do with a reasonable degree of efficiency.

The workforce as a greater body is predominantly unionized at this point and should remain so. The government should coordinate with unions and workers communes to ensure that manpower is not spent unduly on industries that do not need too.

Child labor laws will be implemented, with the earliest age someone can work is 16 years, and only with parental permission. They must also prioritize academic development. At the age of 17, anyone may work without parental permission but still must focus on academics. At 18, these limitations are no longer in effect.

Light industrial production (Consumer goods and small manufacturing).

Government Actions

Our baseline for Light Industry is quite strong at the moment as it is the cornerstone of our economy. We have a good deal of people experienced with local production of a variety of goods both military and civilian to draw from for practical expertise. Their distributed nature also helps ensure that no one community is a major strategic target at this time.

The immediate goal for our light industry coming out of the peace talks should be to expand it to supply civilian consumer goods to raise the standard of living as well as the size of the economy, use what we have to begin laying the groundwork for heavy industrial expansion.

To go about expanding our light industry, there will need to be a mix of government and private effort. Existing manufacturers should be incentivized into producing tools and equipment for the starting up of additional workshops, manufacturing communes, and maker spaces.

Beyond incentives, the federal and local governments should also go about obtaining tools and machinery to provide to the above entities in less wealthy areas with at least some tooling to both expand industry and create wealth.

Accompanying asset assistance, government funds should be allocated to new manufacturing entities to service the massive civilian goods demand. Military manufacturing should not be cast aside, but as it stands we need to increase the prosperity of the common commonwealth citizen. This not only raises the standard of living but also increases the size of our economy and how much resources we can dedicate to efforts besides survival.

Heavy industrial production (Industrial goods for the construction of more industry/infrastructure)

Steel

THE most important industrial resources that we can produce en mass and the critical component to so many other sectors of our society and construction. Unfortunately for us, there are considerable limitations on the quality of steel we can make, and this report will subdivide the different categories of steel, along with separating out the foreign relations measures that we can take in order to further optimize production.

To begin one of our first priorities should be structural steel in that it is the most widely used and cheapest steel that we will employ for most applications. For this category, cheap low-mid carbon steel would be ideal. In terms of application, A36 is a good candidate [see attached data sheet(1)], it has decent mechanical properties, uses only local resources, and is decent all-round steel. It can be made cheaply with no import-dependent parts, and massive centralized mega-foundries for it should be set up to ensure a rapid upgrade of infrastructure. This stuff can be used everywhere from rails to buildings and would form the basis of most construction efforts due to its acceptable mechanical properties for almost all non-specialty applications. For anti-corrosion efforts, we can always galvanize the steel using zinc to ensure that corrosion is kept to acceptable levels.

As to tool steels and hardened steels, our best choice is 38MnB5 Boron Steel (2), as it does not use any imported materials to make it while providing good levels of durability and hardenability while being a reasonable intermediary for other applications. In terms of military use, it does not spall as prodigiously as other tool steels and can form an acceptable form of armored plating, while at the same time being hardenable enough for both applications. This would be our general steel for constructing most military equipment and industrial machinery, but, due to its lacking resistance to corrosion, it needs to be galvanized with zinc as well to ensure that it does not rust.

In terms of stainless steel, there are two approaches available to the Commonwealth due to our great limitations in the realm of chromium production. This leaves us with two options, one possibility is the use of novel aluminum manganese composites in the greater steel (3). As long as hard acids are not being worked with, this would work well to create near-total corrosion-resistant materials. When it comes to acid-resistant steel grades though, there are no alternatives to chromium and will require imports and rationing of it to ensure that we will have enough to last, but fortunately, highly acidic environments are only going to be present in industrial and chemical machinery, thus allowing us to get buy with imports and rationing, as long as we are careful with our stocks.

Aluminum

Another critical but very energy-intensive material that is needed as a light composite for many industrial and civilian applications. The main issue with its production is the electrolysis process needed being extremely energy-intensive along with alumina being hard to separate out, necessitating a great increase in power production to ensure that we can make enough for our needs, especially if an aerospace industry develops.

The alloying materials though are a branch of good news, as almost all aluminum alloys use materials that we have locally, and do not need to import, with the exception of ultra-high temperature ones used in some aerospace applications. This allows us to build almost anything out of aluminum, and as long as we can supply the power production to make enough of it.

As to international imports that would help the most with this, corrosion-resistant electrodes would optimally reduce machinery wear while at the same time ensuring that we can keep up production of Aluminum. While these would be a major one time cost due to the material rarity involved in the electrons.

Concrete Prefabs
Another critical infrastructure resource that is needed to build up our cities and roads while at the same time massively benefiting from economies of scale that are involved in its production. Using central factories for processing aggregate and cement into them, we can massively ramp up production, and use them as an almost standard construction material in almost any new structure we put up. At the same time, this produces a material with acceptable properties that we can standardize on to further simplify the production of houses and other domiciles, while also using it for roads. As long as we can make pre-fabs and cement bricks, we can make almost any modern building to reasonable standards for low costs.

Industrial Machinery
Another critical thing to build up for the point of increasing production across the Commonwealth and is needed to ensure that we can keep up the economic boom. Although, we should be careful not to repeat the soviet mistakes of making too much industrial machinery. Here, for the first phases, we are going to need to import the first bits of machinery from foreign markets to allow us to rapidly build up our own native capacity. Along with the experts needed to operate and run it in the short term as our own industrial ventures are built up. The opening of other imports for this branch is critical and cannot be stated enough that the obsolete runoff/hand me downs from international markets will save us masses of time and effort, along with boot-strapping the entire future industrial economy that we wish to make.

Chip foundries
Here the foreign market and the import of trained personnel really come into play, as the presence of these would allow us to make our own electronics en mass without needing to rely on imports and basic circuitry. We have no option but to try and buy obsolete equipment from the international market and then implement its production. This would give a limited degree of production for local electronics and allow us to start digitizing our economy fairly rapidly. While this would not let us make up to date devices, a generation behind the current European market is still going to be an amazing leap forward and would allow a whole new revelation in how we operate our systems and economy.

Polymer Industry

In terms of polymer and plastic production, we have heavy oil, easily opening the door for the production of any plastic item we would wish for. While this production would take skilled personnel and necessitate considerable investment of capital, we have a near-optimal resource base for the production of all common plastic types.

Given some foreign expertise, we can easily build up massive plastic production and even use it as an export market due to our considerable reserves of heavy oil. As another aside, polymer production from the plastics would allow a revelation in quality of life across the Commonwealth, as many heavier items can be neatly replaced by plastic. This would also allow us to make new higher quality urban infrastructure projects due to plastic decaying slower, and being cheaper to produce the most metal alternatives. And it would be a good export market and a good target for foreign investment.

Non-Supporting Chemical Industry (Chemicals that are valuable as chemicals)

Sulfa Antibiotics
Using the production of sulfuric acid and our petrochemical industry, it becomes fairly simple to make most Sulfa antibiotics, greatly improving population health and growth, along with providing a cheap antibiotic that can be mass-produced and mass issued. And, as long as reasonable and sane policies are adhered to in usage we can prevent a good amount of antibiotic resistance. These would, however, include the avoidance of usage of antibiotics on livestock until our arsenal of antibiotics expands considerably. Fortunately for us, the production of these is a very simple endeavor and can be done with the very minimal chemical industry, allowing us to mass issue them out in the short term to anyone that needs them.

Nitrogen Fixing/Ammonia
THE most critical component of the modern agricultural revolution, and the means that allows us to massively ramp up agricultural productivity through the usage of modern fertilizers. It is needed for almost all chemical industrial production from explosives to fertilizer, and machinery for it should be our number one priority with access to the international market over any other industrial machinery. This suddenly allows us to mass-produce any form of fertilizer that is needed for the minor cost of power and would let us have our own little green revolution. Again, it cannot be reiterated how important this process is to us, as it forms the basis of so much of the industrial production that is needed to keep up food yields and to fight a war.

Work Cited/Referenced because the steel argument between engineers never ends

https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6117
(1)Steel grade for A36 Structural steel

https://www.salzgitter-flachstahl.de/fileadmin/mediadb/szfg/informationsmaterial/produktinformationen/warmgewalzte_produkte/eng/37mnb5.pdf
(2) Boron steel performance/composition

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-16919-4_27
(3) Alternative oxidation protection in basic/barely acidic environments

Authors note: This is a bit of collaborative work by me and @TheFantasticFox as we decided to go through all of our industrialization options/be bored engineers and made a large summary of stuff we can do TM.
Canonized, as a proposal to the government. May or may not represent the true Plan, but definitely was submitted.
 
Canonized, as a proposal to the government. May or may not represent the true Plan, but definitely was submitted.
By the way, what actions ARE incorporated into the three-year plan Development presented to us? It obviously includes Oil Extraction and Infrastructure Projects, but I'm curious about the broad outlines. Are some of the actions in the Plan gated behind the ones we haven't taken yet?

[I'm curious in part because I'd genuinely like to accomplish the Plan, but we can't be sure of that unless we know which actions are in the Plan...]
 
So inspired by the offhand comment by @Antix_Shadows in Discord with regards to how offended FCNY would be that we refused the deal (they are fine with it), I got raised a question that Poptart mentioned would be best served posting here so, with revision, here's the question:
Provided that the Commonwealth rid itself of housing and famine related issues amongst others, how interested would the FCNY be in having the Commonwealth take in some of their populace as a way to alleviate the City's overpopulation issues?
 
Unified Commonwealth Industrial 3 Year Plan

You are an actual lunatic. I am amazed and awed that you sat down and banged out a cited work on how to industrialize. Though I would like to point out, green energy has likely massively advanced, in modern-day it's already getting cheaper than coal, so it might be a superior alternative to coal by now, but your right that it would be dependent on foreign expertise. Though Russia leaning on victora to let us import said expertise as part of their "lets not all die" efforts would be both feasible and hilarious.
 
Nice work @Blackstar.
Couple quibbles:
Heavy Sour Crude
Our poor quality oil that we actually have a reasonably decent deposit of.
Note that there is apparently oil in Missouri, right next door.
According to Wikipedia they were producing 120,000 bpd in 2012.

Worth noting that solar scales much better than coal.

You can build a 1MW or 10MW photovoltaic power plant, and then just keep adding more generation and storage capacity as needed or when you have the money. A coal power plant needs to be built to order, and can take years to start producing power; according to US govt sources, you're looking at maybe 4 years for a 600MW coal-fired power plant, compared to 2 years for a tracking solar photovoltaic plant.

And only gas beats the costs per kw.

Plus, solar allows you to distribute your power generation capacity, which is a definite consideration when going to war against someone with a superpower sugardaddy.
Forget the health costs for now.

While we almost certainly need a certain amount of coal or natural gas as to provide baseload, and probably for domestic heating (and steel production), it's certainly not a good idea to build a powergrid around coal.
Not today, and not fifty years in the future.
 
By the way, what actions ARE incorporated into the three-year plan Development presented to us? It obviously includes Oil Extraction and Infrastructure Projects, but I'm curious about the broad outlines. Are some of the actions in the Plan gated behind the ones we haven't taken yet?

[I'm curious in part because I'd genuinely like to accomplish the Plan, but we can't be sure of that unless we know which actions are in the Plan...]
Tell you what, I'll look over my notes in the morning and get you an answer. Ping me around 11 AM, EST, if I forget?

Broadly, though, the Three-Year Plan originally adopted by the DoDev — and due for revision, in light of Seaway access, one proposal for which the omake canonically represents — is very much a, "tools to make the tools," sort of plan. Get oil, lay down essential infrastructure, and get lined up to properly restart large-scale light and heavy industry. Very specifically, the aim is to end the Three-Year Plan prepared to properly reindustrialize.
So inspired by the offhand comment by @Antix_Shadows in Discord with regards to how offended FCNY would be that we refused the deal (they are fine with it), I got raised a question that Poptart mentioned would be best served posting here so, with revision, here's the question:
I see I've misspoken. FCNY trusting anybody with the massive refugee population that makes up a big chunk of their Legitimacy is something you will have to ask, IC, at the end of an extended period of outreach.
 
So inspired by the offhand comment by @Antix_Shadows in Discord with regards to how offended FCNY would be that we refused the deal (they are fine with it), I got raised a question that Poptart mentioned would be best served posting here so, with revision, here's the question:
Unlikely.
How willing would a Westerner be to move to.....Kenya, say, because his country decided they didn't have space?

I can see them sponsoring new refugees to move here, and we'd take them in gladly, especially if FCNY was chipping in to pay for their resettlement.
But someone who grew up in New York,or accustomed to living in NY, being asked to move to Illnois with a shaky food supply, no regular power, and no health insurance? The person who suggested it would lose the next election in a landslide.

I mean, for all the complaints about New York being crowded, let me point out that Long Island has a square area of approx 1400 sq miles.
Assuming a New York population of 14 million, and not counting the mainland boroughs, that would amount to a population density of 10,000/sq mi.
That's less density than Redondo Beach in Cali. Less than Miami. Less than Chicago.

The densest city in the world, Manila, has roughly 120,000 people per sq mile.
Paris is 56,000 per sq mile.
Seoul is 40,000 per sq mile.

Shit, Brooklyn IRL has a population density of ~35,000/sq mi, and Manhattan has a density of 69,000/sq mi.
NYC in total, not counting the Long Island counties, is 27,000/sq mi.
FCNY has a ways to go.

Since they are shipping in essentials from outside, they have the living space.
 
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FCNY has a ways to go.
I am not going to argue against the overall thrust of your post because Poptart thought I asked a different sort of question but this bit is well...
  • At Capacity: The Free City absorbed a huge number of refugees in the American Collapse. Even having taken the rest of Long Island into the City proper, every centimeter of space is fully exploited, and the buildings have grown higher and higher with each passing day. At this point there is no more expansion; if you intend to change something, you need to give up something else.
...is most certainly incorrect. Long Island is already exploited and short of actually declaring against Victoria for land expansion - which is a mid-term concern considering that the other malus FCNY starts with is Disarmed - there's no more space. Which is well, why I asked the question.
 
Non-Canon Omake: Geo War Episode I - A New Pole
Geo Wars Episode I: A New Pole​

-New Delhi, Delhi, India
-Cabinet Secretariat
-Tuesday, February 11th, 2076, 8:58AM
-Ambassador Shree Palem


Shree Palem anxiously sat in the waiting room. An assistant typed away idly on her computer, dressed in a fairly stylish business suit. Past her was a set of heavy doors that separated the waiting room from an office. Windows gave a view of Raisina Hill, where a few late politicians and administrative personnel rushed to their offices. Shree had gotten used to the view over the past half year, but it was still quite impressive.

When the Commonwealth was looking for diplomats to go across the world, Shree had jumped at the opportunity to be the ambassador for India, and he was an easy fit with his proficiency in Hindi. When he first arrived in New Delhi, he was immediately awestruck by the sight of a modern city. The Connaught Place bustled with activity that beat the Loop by a mile. The air was fresh and the cityscape glowed brightly with the great power generated by solar farms and thorium reactors that far outdid the derelict nuclear plants that littered the Commonwealth[1]. But more than any of that, Shree was struck by the damn heat. Even in October, the heat was absolutely unbearable for a Chicagoan like himself.

Now though, Shree felt like he was getting a better handle on things. He and his family had to escape Devon[2] when the Nazis stormed Chicago and eked out a living in the abandoned farmlands in Central Illinois for years. But once the Chicago Militia wiped out every Nazi from Chicagoland, the Indian community reformed in Lincoln Park. His parents made as close of an approximation to Indian food throughout this time, so Shree had experience with spicy food when he came to his grandparents' home country. And just as well, he felt like he was getting a better grip on the heat, although from what he had been told, he only had dealt with the coolest half of year and frankly hadn't seen anything yet. But that worry would have to come later, because right now, Shree was about to have his first actual meeting with the head of India's foreign affairs.

The assistant tapped the side of her head and said, "Haan? Main use pravesh karane doonga." She flicked her eyes toward Shree, "You may enter now, Ambassador Palem."

Shree was already accustomed to airpods and understood that she had gotten a call, so he just uttered a thanks and headed towards the heavyset doors. He forced open one of the doors with a bit more effort than he anticipated and saw the Minister of External Affairs sitting at her desk, wearing a colorful salwar kameez. As Shree entered the office, Tahani Jamil rose from her chair, revealing her exceptional height. Towering above Shree's five foot eleven and giving him a nonchalant gaze, he couldn't deny that he was a little intimidated and enthralled by the middle-aged woman.

Shree clasped his hands together and gave a slight bow, "Namaste Mantree jee Jamil, aaj mujhe dekhane ke lie dhanyavaad."

The minister offered a slight smile and returned the greetings before saying, "Aap hindee mein bahut achchha bolate hain, Raajadoot Palem," she then switched to fluent English. "Where were you schooled?"

"I was taught by my parents. Chicago had lost most of its Hindi schools in the '40s." Shree didn't feel the need to mention how they vanished. "And, uh, you speak English very well yourself."

Jamil waved her hand dismissively as she turned back towards her desk, "Despite the Hindutva and the Russian's best attempts to stamp out English in the '50s[3], English remains the language franca for India and much of the world. A foreign minister must know this language at the very least," She gestured towards a chair in front of her desk as she sat. "Now please, take a seat Ambassador. What did you want to discuss?"

Shree sat down and quietly breathed in. After a moment to still his heart, he stated, "For the sake of brevity, I'll get straight to the point. The Commonwealth of Free Cities would like to procure equipment from the Republic of India. We understand if weapons are too far, but infrastructure upgrades, ecological reconstitution technologies, and improved medical care would be greatly appreciated. In return, you would have a strong relationship with the second largest independent polity in North America[4] and would have access to some of the most fertile farmland in the world."

Minister Jamil blinked. "Well that was quite forward," She adjusted herself in her chair and stared right into Shree's eyes. "While we are happy to have you here Ambassador, India is dedicated to being a neutral party and our main focus is managing tensions with China."

Bullshit. Shree's eyes narrowed ever so slightly and he leaned forward, "With all due respect Minister, I've seen how often Persian, Somali and East African diplomats come into your office and I've heard how much more complex the Mitra Plan[5] is than what's officially stated. I've even overheard that the PACS has had conversations with you every now and then. You're not looking to stay out of this Cold War, you're trying to get out of Russia's thumb and you're setting up your own power bloc."

The minister's calm disposition broke for just half a second, but Shree caught the look of surprise and anger that flashed across her face. She sighed and replied in the same calm tone, "I see the Midwest Commonwealth[6] made a good choice when it came to their diplomat, so allow me to speak frankly. We are currently not in a position to help you beyond the degree of simple market-based transactions. Our main focus is to pacify our western borders and to establish a rapport throughout the Indian Ocean. We don't seek to overstretch ourselves by helping a polity halfway across the world, especially one that is so antagonistic to a firm Russian ally. I'm sorry, but if you want to talk realpolitik, that's our situation. Now was there anything else you wanted to discuss?"

Shree let out a soft sigh. Damn it, the President isn't gonna like that. "Yes, although they are more minor. As per the New York Peace Agreement, Victoria has given us access to…"

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[1] As per Poptart, all of Illinois' many nuclear power plants were decommissioned by Russian engineers.
[2]Devon is an avenue in Chicago that is known for its high concentrations of Indian Americans, Pakistani Americans, Bangladesh Americans, and a few other communities.
[3] The Russian's reasons are a bit obvious, but the Hindutva government (effectively Modi and his later, even more vile descendants) tried to stamp out English from India and replace it with Russian. In the end it was a general failure. Also the Hindutva did plenty of more nasty things, from shit we've seen now to actual anti-muslim massacres.
[4] I'm pretty sure the Mexican Confederation is bigger than us, and I assume the Commonwealth is aware of that.
[5] The Mitra Plan, named off the god of friendship and honesty, is presented as an aid program for countries in need, but Shree's right on the money in his hypothesis. It's closer to the Marshall Plan than UNICEF.
[6] Since "the Commonwealth" is too vague and "the Commonwealth of Free Cities" is too wordy, international communities have started calling us "the Midwest Commonwealth".


So yeah! This is just a quick look at the situation in India due to the recent events! I'm leaving it open on whether or not they decide to participate directly in the quest. They may decide to help a polity in North America or they may decide to favor some other polity that's easier for them to reach. Or they may decide that it's not worth it and they'll stick with cementing their control in the Indian Ocean and their impact will be far more indirect. Time and the QM will tell~~~~

I also don't speak Hindu and could only cross reference if Google translate had correctly captured the meaning of my comments by swapping the translator with the translatee. If there are any Hindu speakers who are balking at the translation and would be willing to fix the issue, feel free to reach out. Also fuck me, this is why I usually stick with drawings and encyclopedia descriptions. Narrative is hard.
 
Question @PoptartProdigy , the Farmers Laborer Commonwealth Party which wanted to sue for peace, they a left wing socialist communist party. Any history or details on them? Founder, voter demographics , manifesto ?

I assume they were part of the coalition which supported food security ?
 
Question @PoptartProdigy , the Farmers Laborer Commonwealth Party which wanted to sue for peace, they a left wing socialist communist party. Any history or details on them? Founder, voter demographics , manifesto ?

I assume they were part of the coalition which supported food security ?
There's a write up on the political parties done by @AKuz here, here, and here.

The CFLP is currently the largest party in the opposition iirc. The CPP is in government along with the CSP, I think? I'd have to go back and find the election results.

EDIT: Yep, governing coalition is CPP, PCPP, and CSP
 
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All right, stuff about the Three-Year Plan: okay, to be totally honest, the DoDev has scrapped the old version. The old principle of, "Tools to make the tools," remains, but frankly, the old plan is obsolete in light of Seaway access, even temporarily. Your Secretary will brief you on the changes to the plan with the next strategic turn.
Say, since we took Victoria's artifacts, does that mean their Legitimacy is now even lower than what it was before?
Yes.
Geo Wars Episode I: A New Pole​

-New Delhi, Delhi, India
-Cabinet Secretariat
-Tuesday, February 11th, 2076, 8:58AM
-Ambassador Shree Palem


Shree Palem anxiously sat in the waiting room. An assistant typed away idly on her computer, dressed in a fairly stylish business suit. Past her was a set of heavy doors that separated the waiting room from an office. Windows gave a view of Raisina Hill, where a few late politicians and administrative personnel rushed to their offices. Shree had gotten used to the view over the past half year, but it was still quite impressive.

When the Commonwealth was looking for diplomats to go across the world, Shree had jumped at the opportunity to be the ambassador for India, and he was an easy fit with his proficiency in Hindi. When he first arrived in New Delhi, he was immediately awestruck by the sight of a modern city. The Connaught Place bustled with activity that beat the Loop by a mile. The air was fresh and the cityscape glowed brightly with the great power generated by solar farms and thorium reactors that far outdid the derelict nuclear plants that littered the Commonwealth[1]. But more than any of that, Shree was struck by the damn heat. Even in October, the heat was absolutely unbearable for a Chicagoan like himself.

Now though, Shree felt like he was getting a better handle on things. He and his family had to escape Devon[2] when the Nazis stormed Chicago and eked out a living in the abandoned farmlands in Central Illinois for years. But once the Chicago Militia wiped out every Nazi from Chicagoland, the Indian community reformed in Lincoln Park. His parents made as close of an approximation to Indian food throughout this time, so Shree had experience with spicy food when he came to his grandparents' home country. And just as well, he felt like he was getting a better grip on the heat, although from what he had been told, he only had dealt with the coolest half of year and frankly hadn't seen anything yet. But that worry would have to come later, because right now, Shree was about to have his first actual meeting with the head of India's foreign affairs.

The assistant tapped the side of her head and said, "Haan? Main use pravesh karane doonga." She flicked her eyes toward Shree, "You may enter now, Ambassador Palem."

Shree was already accustomed to airpods and understood that she had gotten a call, so he just uttered a thanks and headed towards the heavyset doors. He forced open one of the doors with a bit more effort than he anticipated and saw the Minister of External Affairs sitting at her desk, wearing a colorful salwar kameez. As Shree entered the office, Tahani Jamil rose from her chair, revealing her exceptional height. Towering above Shree's five foot eleven and giving him a nonchalant gaze, he couldn't deny that he was a little intimidated and enthralled by the middle-aged woman.

Shree clasped his hands together and gave a slight bow, "Namaste Mantree jee Jamil, aaj mujhe dekhane ke lie dhanyavaad."

The minister offered a slight smile and returned the greetings before saying, "Aap hindee mein bahut achchha bolate hain, Raajadoot Palem," she then switched to fluent English. "Where were you schooled?"

"I was taught by my parents. Chicago had lost most of its Hindi schools in the '40s." Shree didn't feel the need to mention how they vanished. "And, uh, you speak English very well yourself."

Jamil waved her hand dismissively as she turned back towards her desk, "Despite the Hindutva and the Russian's best attempts to stamp out English in the '50s[3], English remains the language franca for India and much of the world. A foreign minister must know this language at the very least," She gestured towards a chair in front of her desk as she sat. "Now please, take a seat Ambassador. What did you want to discuss?"

Shree sat down and quietly breathed in. After a moment to still his heart, he stated, "For the sake of brevity, I'll get straight to the point. The Commonwealth of Free Cities would like to procure equipment from the Republic of India. We understand if weapons are too far, but infrastructure upgrades, ecological reconstitution technologies, and improved medical care would be greatly appreciated. In return, you would have a strong relationship with the second largest independent polity in North America[4] and would have access to some of the most fertile farmland in the world."

Minister Jamil blinked. "Well that was quite forward," She adjusted herself in her chair and stared right into Shree's eyes. "While we are happy to have you here Ambassador, India is dedicated to being a neutral party and our main focus is managing tensions with China."

Bullshit. Shree's eyes narrowed ever so slightly and he leaned forward, "With all due respect Minister, I've seen how often Persian, Somali and East African diplomats come into your office and I've heard how much more complex the Mitra Plan[5] is than what's officially stated. I've even overheard that the PACS has had conversations with you every now and then. You're not looking to stay out of this Cold War, you're trying to get out of Russia's thumb and you're setting up your own power bloc."

The minister's calm disposition broke for just half a second, but Shree caught the look of surprise and anger that flashed across her face. She sighed and replied in the same calm tone, "I see the Midwest Commonwealth[6] made a good choice when it came to their diplomat, so allow me to speak frankly. We are currently not in a position to help you beyond the degree of simple market-based transactions. Our main focus is to pacify our western borders and to establish a rapport throughout the Indian Ocean. We don't seek to overstretch ourselves by helping a polity halfway across the world, especially one that is so antagonistic to a firm Russian ally. I'm sorry, but if you want to talk realpolitik, that's our situation. Now was there anything else you wanted to discuss?"

Shree let out a soft sigh. Damn it, the President isn't gonna like that. "Yes, although they are more minor. As per the New York Peace Agreement, Victoria has given us access to…"

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[1] As per Poptart, all of Illinois' many nuclear power plants were decommissioned by Russian engineers.
[2]Devon is an avenue in Chicago that is known for its high concentrations of Indian Americans, Pakistani Americans, Bangladesh Americans, and a few other communities.
[3] The Russian's reasons are a bit obvious, but the Hindutva government (effectively Modi and his later, even more vile descendants) tried to stamp out English from India and replace it with Russian. In the end it was a general failure. Also the Hindutva did plenty of more nasty things, from shit we've seen now to actual anti-muslim massacres.
[4] I'm pretty sure the Mexican Confederation is bigger than us, and I assume the Commonwealth is aware of that.
[5] The Mitra Plan, named off the god of friendship and honesty, is presented as an aid program for countries in need, but Shree's right on the money in his hypothesis. It's closer to the Marshall Plan than UNICEF.
[6] Since "the Commonwealth" is too vague and "the Commonwealth of Free Cities" is too wordy, international communities have started calling us "the Midwest Commonwealth".


So yeah! This is just a quick look at the situation in India due to the recent events! I'm leaving it open on whether or not they decide to participate directly in the quest. They may decide to help a polity in North America or they may decide to favor some other polity that's easier for them to reach. Or they may decide that it's not worth it and they'll stick with cementing their control in the Indian Ocean and their impact will be far more indirect. Time and the QM will tell~~~~

I also don't speak Hindu and could only cross reference if Google translate had correctly captured the meaning of my comments by swapping the translator with the translatee. If there are any Hindu speakers who are balking at the translation and would be willing to fix the issue, feel free to reach out. Also fuck me, this is why I usually stick with drawings and encyclopedia descriptions. Narrative is hard.
As it deals with future events, non-canon. I like it, though, and while bluntly stated, the idea that India is sick of Russia's idea of charity being keeping their western border in chaos while their northern border is China and everything east is influenced by untrustworthy Japan...that much is accurate.
Question @PoptartProdigy , the Farmers Laborer Commonwealth Party which wanted to sue for peace, they a left wing socialist communist party. Any history or details on them? Founder, voter demographics , manifesto ?

I assume they were part of the coalition which supported food security ?
They were.

As for their politics, they are fairly broad coalition of far leftists within the Commonwealth. AKuz, in her omake first establishing them, laid them out as proponents of De Leonism; this works fine enough for me. They are the largest political opposition party, behind the ruling CPP and junior coalition partner PCPP, commanding 20% of the Congress. They're on speaking terms with the CSP and camp with the Greens in opposition.

Getting down to the fine details: the CFLP was originally born as a representation for all those people back in faction creation who wanted to vote full Communist but didn't see that as having a realistic chance, and thus approval-voted both socialism and communism. I use those individuals as a barometer for how CFLP is going to react to situations to this very day, and they haven't let me down yet. :lol: The effect this has in-universe is that the CFLP is explicitly a far-left coalition, drawing in communists who wanted an actual chance at the polls (note that there is no fully communist party with seats in your legislature) and socialists who wanted to establish an ideologically-secular socialist party separate from the CSP. Neither demographic being decisive on their own, and both being quite conscious of the solid grasp the political center had on things, they banded together, and formed the Commonwealth Farmer-Laborer Party. De Leonism is not, by magic, the thing they all independently decided that they wanted; it is the doctrine they elected to pursue as part of their electoral strategy.

CFLP is a powerful party, and it has a death grip on the left-wing opposition, their only competition being the nearly-neutered Greens. They pursue an electoral path to socialism, hoping to use the ballot box to overturn the institution of private (as strictly defined separately from personal) property. As part of their long-term strategy, they maintain close ties with the CSP in the hopes that they can snipe them from the ruling coalition and form a ruling government with them, once the two parties have sufficient shares in Congress. Some people have noted that the CFLP's structure, and their planned route to power, does not make for a terribly stable grip on power, should they win; party splintering is a real concern. With the recent backlash as a result of the wild success of Operation Foil and the CFLP's opposition to it, some fear that a split is brewing now. This is all for the future, though. For the moment, they are a behemoth in Commonwealth politics, and even the President talks to them when she really wants to push something through.

As for their founder, you all may recall me mentioning a Delegate O'Shay as representative of the Communist bloc back during faction creation. Maggie O'Shay has been a hardline Communist her entire adult life, but when the voting patterns became clear, she wasn't dedicated enough to her pure vision to accept being driven out of the Congress. She spearheaded the effort to partner with secular socialists in the chaotic early days of Commonwealth parliamentary politics. Over one seventeen-day period, she participated in twenty serial political parties attempting the principle (I wasn't joking when I said your party scene was non-functionally unstable at the time). Eventually, she managed to reach out to enough people to draw together the CFLP. Representative O'Shay is the center of the CFLP; young, dynamic, and charismatic, she is the person keeping the party together, and the one most dedicated to averting a split, either as the result of the present backlash, or as the result of victory undoing them.
There's a write up on the political parties done by @AKuz here, here, and here.

The CFLP is currently the largest party in the opposition iirc. The CPP is in government along with the CSP, I think? I'd have to go back and find the election results.

EDIT: Yep, governing coalition is CPP, PCPP, and CSP
It is always worth reiterating that those omakes were the foundation for your political parties, but I did diverge somewhat in adopting them. Note that they are not canonized.
 
One question regarding energy generation:

How viable would wind power plants be, given Chicago being called the windy city?

Perhaps we could built plants that use the Magnus effect, as that would remove the huge propeller blades.
 
One question regarding energy generation:

How viable would wind power plants be, given Chicago being called the windy city?

Perhaps we could built plants that use the Magnus effect, as that would remove the huge propeller blades.
Your link leads to an edit window or something. Did you mean...


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EDIT: Also, uh, reading the article, the Magnus effect* doesn't look like a very effective way to extract energy from the wind. You can use it to get propulsive force, but it has to be externally powered for that to work.

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*(the thing that causes a curve-ball to curve; it exerts sideways force on a rotating object passing through the air)
 
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Wind power is definitely viable. Illinois currently has the capacity for something like 250K MW with 80 meter+ turbines and currently has 1800 MW installed. In 2019, it generated 12,332 GWh according to wikipedia.

And we are not nearly as power intensive as modern day Illinois, partially because well... there are less people here, iirc.
 
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Your link leads to an edit window or something. Did you mean...


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EDIT: Also, uh, reading the article, the Magnus effect* doesn't look like a very effective way to extract energy from the wind. You can use it to get propulsive force, but it has to be externally powered for that to work.

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Yes, thank you that was what I was trying to do, but currently I only have access to a smartphone and the linking procces is a bit cumbersome.

I find that looking into wind power, geothermal energy and hydroelectric energy for energy generation could be a way to save fuel for more mobile applications and cut down long term costs.

I do not want to replace all fossils fuels, but I think that being dependant on only two sources of combustibles is risky from a geostrategic point of view.

We are better served in using high quality lignite for steel production than as a source of heating for example.

Thus before we concentrate our whole energy strategy on only two sources it might be advisable to think about a diversification and decentralization of our energy generation.
 
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How viable would wind power plants be, given Chicago being called the windy city?
It's in the same boat as solar - it'd be better in the long run and just as good in the short run as a secondary source (or it'd need even heavier foreign support for sufficient power storage mechanisms so that we wouldn't be in danger of brownouts - which would either need as much infrastructure again for storage as well as for generation purposes or fancy stuff like ultra-high density capacitor/battery setups), but would need heavy foreign subsidies and support for us to be able to build.
 
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Missouri doesn't have much oil, it should be pointed out. That's 120,000 barrels per day compared to a total US oil output of something in the neighborhood of ten million barrels per day.
The United States, with a population of 320 million, wide expanse of territory, and lavish reliance on personal motor vehicles, has a daily consumption of 20 million barrels per day as of 2018. Per capita consumption is at least 2x that of other developed countries.
For example, France, a First World country with a population of 66 million, has a daily consumption of 1.6 million bpd.

If the Commonwealth, with a current population that is no more than 20 million, had the same proportionate oil consumption as the US, it would be using a maximum of 1.3 million bpd.
That's close to the 1 million bpd that Australia, a country of 25 million in 2019, was using in 2015.

But the Commonwealth is a developing country, so let's compare to modern developing countries in the same population range.

Ghana, at 30 million people, used 62,000 bpd as of 2011, when their population was 25 million.
Cameroon, at 25 million people, used 29,000 bpd as of 2011, when their population was 21 million.
Sri Lanka, at 21 million people , consumed 90,000 bpd as of 2011, when their population was 20 million.
North Korea, at 25 million people, consumed 15,000 bpd as of 2012, when their population was 25 million.

Our energy needs will almost certainly probably grow as we re-industrialize, even with renewables coming online.
But 120,000 bpd would comfortably meet our needs.

Source:
One question regarding energy generation:
How viable would wind power plants be, given Chicago being called the windy city?
Perhaps we could built plants that use the Magnus effect, as that would remove the huge propeller blades.
It scales less easily than solar, with the average commercial wind turbine currently costing 3-4 million installed, weighing around 160 tons, and generating 2MW.
Plus there are currently issues with recycling worn out wind turbines

Nevertheless, it's one of the cheapest forms of power generation in the US.
And with Alexei's environmental bent as well as oil and gas instability, there's good odds that most of those costs have dropped by now.
It is currently a major part of Illnois power grid, and places like Texas, Iowa and California, with major improvements in generating capacity forecast
www.vox.com

These huge new wind turbines are a marvel. They’re also the future.

The latest model has blades longer than football fields.

Probably nonfunctional wind turbine farms littered across Illnois.
Whether they can be brought back online with external help is a GM ruling. I'd think not, but who knows?
It's in the same boat as solar - it'd be better in the long run and just as good in the short run as a secondary source (or even heavier foreign support for sufficient power storage mechanisms that we wouldn't be in danger of brownouts - which would either need as much infrastructure again for storage as well as for generation purposes or fancy stuff like ultra-high density capacitor/battery setups), but would need heavy foreign subsidies and support for us to be able to build.
No more than attempting to build coal-fired power plants at the moment from scratch.
Even if we somehow retain the skill to build the bloody huge boilers necessary to generate high-pressure steam, we certainly aren't up to building the industrial turbines necessary to channel the high pressure steam coming out of the boiler. Or the generators.

Then there's the concrete requirements, the water requirements, the coal requirements (Kingston Fossil Plant in Tenn consumes 14,000 tons of coal a day for it's ~1400MW of generating capacity), and possibly other things I haven't considered.
Then there's the raw cost.

Seriously, look up the US govt comparative costs for new coal power compared to alternatives like natural gas, solar and wind

Wind farms happen to have the advantage that one lucky or successful air/missile strike or commando raid might knock out power supply till you can replace the transmission and transformers, but actually individually damaging every wind turbine is probably beyond the capabilities of a peer opponent like Victoria.

One of the reasons I'm partial to wind and solar is it's resilience. Solar has more resilience, but wind isn't bad.
Besides, the news about solar PV cells that work at night is also interesting.


@PoptartProdigy
This is probably below the level of abstraction for this quest, but just out of curiosity, did the rest of the world get around to using cargo airships for air freight to reduce the costs of moving bulk cargo by air?
Because I was looking, and it seemed like the exact sort of thing you'd use to move wind turbine components.
www.reuters.com

Lockheed sees buyer for hybrid cargo airship in 2015

Lockheed Martin Corp <LMT.N> expects to reach an agreement next year with a launch customer for a giant new hybrid airship that would revolutionize the way oil and mining companies haul equipment to the Arctic and other remote areas without roads.
theweek.com

The return of the airship

Time to think big. And round.

50-500 tons of cargo capacity is pretty huge for civilian transport.
 
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I'm also not really big on just going back to coal if we can do wind, hydro, and solar first. Or even natural gas.

We may be able to create hydroelectric plants, too.
 
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