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Doesn't matter for the purpose of calculating Legitimacy. Legitimacy is popular belief. Popular belief is that the Declaration is the symbolic embodiment of egalitarian American ideals, and possessing it therefore lends a massive Legitimacy boost. Owning Washington's favorite dentures would not lend Legitimacy; owning the original copy of the Federalist Papers would not lend Legitimacy; owning Benjamin Franklin's personal diary would not lend Legitimacy. Owning the Declaration of Independence does.
Indeed, and if you wanted to burn all that was left of America to the ground, you should not have selected a Revivalist setup. Should've gone for Communist Dictatorship if you want to do Communist Dictatorship-y things like burn cultural artifacts to make a transitory political statement.
Drat, so many missed opportunities.
Yeah, the discussion got a bit sidetracked from the immediate context of the thread. Probably better to get it back on track.
There are downsides like russian attention, but you hit the nail on the head that many players are openly not looking at things from an IC perspective, instead judging things based on their current real life views that may or may not be applicable to the current situation. I would say that about 80% of the toxic arguments in this thread could have been avoided if we actually looked at things from an IC perspective.
If we went maximum Communist Dictatorship we'd be at -11 Legitimacy at game start.
I see.
The perspective of which character? The President? The government in general? The people of Chicago and the Commonwealth?
False!
A Communist Dictatorship would still be more Legitimate than Victoria!
Eh, it's a bit below the level of abstraction. I'll say that offices of your government do it in the background. If they turn up anything, you'll hear about it.
Again, clarification a single page later, if you are reading so assiduously. I am tired of being deliberately misunderstood. If you want your next vote counted, stop it.
If you're trying to get yourself banned from the quest, you're doing a good job. If you're aiming for literally anything else, this is a stupid way to handle the topic.
The issue seems to be that Victoria holds itself to be the true remnant of a pure America, cleansing the rot free. Blackwell discussing this with a rival power means he can get dethroned....
I say this again. Legitimacy is likely to increase migration to us and even draw scarce talent such as engineers, scientists and doctors to us . Which only make the refugee crisis even more concerning. Yet as the Chinese say, crisis is two words meaning opportunity in danger. We feeding and housing migrants gave us 1 AP from integrating migrants into our economy.
Poptart specifically meant with that picking loosely American options rather than picking the general Revivalist Movement option. We could have played a Chicago that was a one-party communist state, only nominally democratic, that threw the text of the Constitution into the trash, which would have netted us a hefty -11 Legitimacy, only one more than Victoria. Alternatively, we could have played an entirely democratic, Constitution adopting, capitalist state and started with a +1 Legitimacy.
IIRC, it also specifies that the Constitution should be put up for review every 30 years. Alot can change in 30 years....
Okay, but all you had to do was finish reading the thread, a thing you were presumably going to do anyway, before commenting and then you could be reassured and there wouldn't be an issue.
I look forward to our turn-60 reformation of the Commonwealth into Greater Galt's Gulch.
Ugh, fuckin' Ancaps. Wait, are there Ancaps somewhere? We must destroy them!I look forward to our turn-60 reformation of the Commonwealth into Greater Galt's Gulch.
