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South Korea is of course unhappy about it. And the Korean peninsula is basically mountains with a few flat land. Perfect for running mother of all insurgencies. Not to mention with the conscription that South Korea used most men in fighting age would have military training.

Oh and a hilarious amount of weapons stockpiles in preparation for North Korean aggression that will have been turned against Japan. Given that South Korea would have seen Japan's attack coming there's likely loads of hideyholes in the mountains.
 
Yeah, when (if) this whole fucking mess is over, the bad blood in East Asia is going to take a long time to go away.
Malaysia is torn apart, with Japan supporting the rump state left that wasn't conquered by her neighbours including her Muslim brother Indonesia.
Vietnam is now split into 3, with the industrial part under Russian fighting the part that grows the food.
Philippines...... On one hand, MILF is probably a reality, on the other, the intensity of typhoons from climate change alone will fuck the economically productive part ,so, the pirates are definitely coming back....
 
@PoptartProdigy I have a Few Questions if you have the time.

What are the Jet Fighters of the World like outside of the US.

What does Power Armor Actually Look like?

Does New York...have Power Armor.

What is the Status of Disney.
 
@PoptartProdigy I have a Few Questions if you have the time.

What are the Jet Fighters of the World like outside of the US.

What does Power Armor Actually Look like?

Does New York...have Power Armor.

What is the Status of Disney.
You don't know, you don't know, you don't know, and much-reduced with the loss of the United States and all the cushy political relationships that gave them such hallowed status in the Old Country.
 
Ahh...WE MUST GET THOSE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS UP!!!

TELL US WHAT WE MUST DO TO CONTACT THE OUTSIDE WORLD OH MIGHTY QM!!!

I'M INVESTED!!! :V
Step one; put on some trackpants and an oversized tshirt, crash on the couch, and chill the hell out =P

We have a few relatively-short-term options for reliable contact with the outside world; the three coastal successor states (FCNY, Miami and Cali) all have some level of contact, it's just a matter of getting to them ourselves so they can pass messages for us. Cali we got that good working relationship with, but some people were talking about trading down the river, which leads to(wards?) Miami? I don't know how American geography works, yall got too many states over there.

Once we set up reliable communications with one of them, we can have them pass messages along for us, and more efficiently than the small number of international spies legitimate news reporters can.
 
Once we set up reliable communications with one of them, we can have them pass messages along for us, and more efficiently than the small number of international spies legitimate news reporters can.

To those listening in I don't think it is a question of physically passing on messages that is the problem. I have no doubts, none, that there are plenty of satelite phones and internet uplinks in the Commonwealth (seriously those things are found all over Africa today). The first problem is that these things are owned by individual groups, etc, like I am sure some rich people, corporations, the catholic church etc, have them, but they are not government groups.

The second, and more important problem, is who do we contact? We are not a recognised country, or not even a semi-recognised one. We need one of those interest sections (you know one of those "not-embassies") in China and/or Europe, but to get that we need to have some sort of relationship with the local gov't.

Now I assume that when you say "pass along messages" you mean, "Use people with established links to major countries to help us establish any kind of formal connection to foreign gov'ts." If so I would suggest that the catholic church could also be helpful there.
 
The second, and more important problem, is who do we contact? We are not a recognised country, or not even a semi-recognised one. We need one of those interest sections (you know one of those "not-embassies") in China and/or Europe, but to get that we need to have some sort of relationship with the local gov't.
You did take Established. Thus why the embargo's polite fiction was, "we're staying out of this one," rather than, "we refuse to support these ravening, lawless marauders against the holy warriors of Christ." This is also why Cali came to deal. You have received at least secondhand acknowledgement as a state from across broad parts of the Country; you've even heard that the Mexican Revivalists think well of you. Now, you haven't exactly had people rushing to set up embassies, but that's more a function of everybody assuming that Victoria was about to forcibly detach your head from your spine.
 
hopefully we'll get a few friendly foreign visitors next turn. We did prove ourselves after all.

Just a few laptops with access to satellite internet would help us a lot for pretty much zero cost. Instructions for the tools we'd need to build the tools to build the tools to build modern machinery would be nice too, though if they gave us the tools directly it would be even better.
 
hopefully we'll get a few friendly foreign visitors next turn. We did prove ourselves after all.

Just a few laptops with access to satellite internet would help us a lot for pretty much zero cost. Instructions for the tools we'd need to build the tools to build the tools to build modern machinery would be nice too, though if they gave us the tools directly it would be even better.

Presumably we already have this, the problem is going from that to having an educational / apprenticeship system. Again the retroculturists probably did blow up all samples of high-tech, just made sure to sabotage any attempts to rebuild SYSTEMS.
 
you know, I was planning on making an omake based on Blackadder and crew serving in the Victorian army. but I don't really have time to make proper written omakes anymore so I'm just going to say the jokes I made for it in the style of a comedy act.

…...

who the bloody hell are you?!

my names Baldrick sir.

well I don't remember you ever joining the army.

that's because it didn't you disappointing walrus. it washed up on the shore offered to shine my shoes and I decided to keep it.

well we cant have that, he's not even army!

don't worry. Baldrick, that rat is a cultural Marxist, kill it.

already done sir.

congratulations, welcome to the Victorian army.

bu- what about our standards sir, he's practically an Orc!

ah yes our standards, Baldrick are you an unrefrigerated pile of beans in flavourless gelatine from one hundred and sixty years ago?

No sir, but I haven't washed scince twenty.

we cant all be perfect. mind getting some tea from that corpse over there?

very well sir.

are you just planning on sitting there? theres a war to win!

yes.

bu-why???

well, everyone else is dead, our truck is upside down in a ditch and the CMC officer has just realised the futility of his existence (darling crying in the distance)

ah pish-posh old chum! nothing a little spit and retroculturalism cant handle! just watch me deal with these Communists! CHARRRRRR (Georges battle cry is drowned out by machine and artillery fire, he returnes after a few seconds with a tettered uniform and singed hair)

so how did it go?

well, i went to the front, and there was a bunker, now using my academics in FOURTH GENERATION WARFARE I decided to go around the bunker instead of attacking it and the strangest thing happened.

Rumford found a girlfriend?

no, there was another bunker! and another after that! so i decided to come back here and prepare another approach.

let me guess, go around the left instead of right?

how did you know sir!?

i too have been studying a four year olds general warfare.

Fourth generation sir.

fourth generalization warfare, yes. now are you going to go die for the Tsar or do you have a braincell?

pfft, braincells are a Marxist conspiracy. CHARRRRRR (Georges battlecry is ounce more engulfed in the noise of battle)

here's your tea sir.

thankyou Baldrick, now we just wait for the Commonwealth to find us and then be captured.

actually sir, I have a cunning plan.

That's illegal in this Army.

very well sir.

PUT YOUR HANDS UP!

oh no its the commonwealth ohhhhh noooo i sprained my ankle and now cannot resist as they capture me whatever shall i doooooo?

you look fine sir.

shut up Baldrick.


THE END
 
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So, a question.

Canon here is Victoria sabotages any industrial facility it can find.

Ironworks are industrial facilities too, right?

How come iron is still plentiful in 2070 North America, to the point small towns can make firearms? Or is the iron from melting down cars and trucks and bridges? Or all iron is imported from outside North America?

@PoptartProdigy, are all steel works outside of Victoria and California downgraded back to 18th century tech?
 
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So, a question.

Canon here is Victoria sabotages any industrial facility it can find.

Ironworks are industrial facilities too, right?

How come iron is still plentiful in 2070 North America, to the point small towns can make firearms? Or is the iron from melting down cars and trucks and bridges? Or all iron is imported from outside North America?

@PoptartProdigy, are all steel works outside of Victoria and California downgraded back to 18th century tech?
Resource extraction and refining is about the only thing Victoria permits, given that until about now, they were completely able to ensure that all of it flowed to their territories. It's actually a fairly big source of Detroit's wealth; until recently, they were pretty firmly under Victoria's thumb, and thus made the perfect place to refine the combined product of the Upper Lakes. That said, it's also a big part of the reason why they had so pathetic a military; great wealth to sustain military or great military to protect wealth, pick at most one or else get Victorians with guns.

Which is another reason why Victoria was so eager to get whispering mouths near Toledo's ears, given their relative proximity and the obvious interests the two would have in coalition...
 
Resource extraction and refining is about the only thing Victoria permits, given that until about now, they were completely able to ensure that all of it flowed to their territories. It's actually a fairly big source of Detroit's wealth; until recently, they were pretty firmly under Victoria's thumb, and thus made the perfect place to refine the combined product of the Upper Lakes. That said, it's also a big part of the reason why they had so pathetic a military; great wealth to sustain military or great military to protect wealth, pick at most one or else get Victorians with guns.

Which is another reason why Victoria was so eager to get whispering mouths near Toledo's ears, given their relative proximity and the obvious interests the two would have in coalition...
Which brings to mind the disturbing question of just how many other wealthy/hungry pairs Victoria propped up around the continent that will immediately dive into war now that the hungry powers know Victoria won't be around to have their back/stop them in their relevant local war.
 
Which brings to mind the disturbing question of just how many other wealthy/hungry pairs Victoria propped up around the continent that will immediately dive into war now that the hungry powers know Victoria won't be around to have their back/stop them in their relevant local war.
Which is part of the reason why we need to grow stronger ASAP and get rid of hostile neighborhood so we can expand quickly to fill the void as best we can before warlords gain strength and the former US turn into China circa 1920s.
 
He's not he's just rambling with his friends and he's getting therapy and writing books. If nothing else he likes to keep in touch. Plus even if Logan is discharged, he's keeping himself busy.

It's just him trying to get the idea in the pipe so someone competent does it for him.

Because even if he's not qualified at all. It's still a good idea.

Edit: There are Three likely things that happens to Logan after his court martial.

1. If he was medically discharged, Logan is trying to push the Idea on his friends because he can no longer petition for it due to his discharge.

2. If he was not discharged...he was moved from active service to Logistics, Base management and the important Job of keeping the army running, but due to his marked record he can no longer get things done at this point and needs someone else to make the ideas a reality.

3.He's just trolling them over Pizza no context needed.
Cyberphilosopher, I hate to say this, but I think it's time to drop the Logan character. You seem to have difficulty presenting him as doing realistic and rational things, and trying to rationalize his words and actions keeps causing you to write yourself into a corner. While he's not an entirely un-realistic character, I think you're having trouble writing him realistically and fitting him into the context of the setting.

I suggest dropping this specific project entirely and waiting and letting a fundamentally different inspiration strike, instead of banging on the same door and getting nothing.

Dunno how you could steal money if the entire point is to buypass $$ transfers with decentralised planning. Unless you plan to have your hackers fly out to Chicago and pick up several hundred tonnes of coal, or a delivery of tank treads/artillery shells on a regular basis without being noticed by the planners, our own cyber-security types, our own internal security, and rando Joe(ette) worker.
If the network is handling materials transfers, and you manage to gain access to the network, you can cause massive economic disruption just by releasing worms and viruses and whatnot that fry the network itself and wipe a lot of the data.

Look at the real-life problems local governments have been having with ransomware for an example of this.

It's not an impossible problem to work around or secure against, but it *is* an issue if you have reason to fear your enemy's cyberwarfare capabilities.

So, a question.

Canon here is Victoria sabotages any industrial facility it can find.

Ironworks are industrial facilities too, right?

How come iron is still plentiful in 2070 North America, to the point small towns can make firearms? Or is the iron from melting down cars and trucks and bridges? Or all iron is imported from outside North America?

@PoptartProdigy, are all steel works outside of Victoria and California downgraded back to 18th century tech?
You tend to have a very unrealistic and absolutist idea of what "all" and "none" and "low tech" mean. In this context, Victoria sabotages heavy, large scale, highly productive industry. They tolerate light, small scale, inefficient industry.

To Victorians thinking about what to sabotage, recycling scrap metal is fine, a giant steel mill turning out thousands of tons of metal products a month is not. They're not tireless robots; they're not going to hunt down every small town machine shop or every scrapyard recycler. They're simply trying to break up anything that could be used to equip armies capable of threatening Victoria.
 
Cyberphilosopher, I hate to say this, but I think it's time to drop the Logan character. You seem to have difficulty presenting him as doing realistic and rational things, and trying to rationalize his words and actions keeps causing you to write yourself into a corner. While he's not an entirely un-realistic character, I think you're having trouble writing him realistically and fitting him into the context of the setting.

I suggest dropping this specific project entirely and waiting and letting a fundamentally different inspiration strike, instead of banging on the same door and getting nothing.
You are indeed right...I shall find new insperation.

Plus I need to let it go and work on diffrent works in the lore. I'll come back to it in due time, with a clear head and better ideas.

@Simon_Jester did you see the Omake with the Pics In them, I was thinking something Like that images with a story.

Sometimes its Propoganda, sometimes its photos and sometimes its just something people made up.

Something like that, no contraints just fun in the universe.
 
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