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PainRack, I'm gonna be up front with you, I think these criticisms have passed their "sell by" date. You won't gain anything by repeating yourself. Either Poptart is gonna rule that the planes are actually useless rustbuckets, or Poptart's not. Being salty about it if Poptart implies that the planes are still useful isn't helpful.


Yeah, but it's still the result of an iterative design process. The point is that you can't just point to a modern F-16 fresh off the production line and go "yawn, that is a 1980 plane, it must be weak." Because that would be bullshit. Generations of refinements have gone into upgrading the plane and changing it as necessary to remain relevant on a modern battlefield.

In the same way, you cannot, in 2075, point to a recently manufactured F-35 from California or wherever and say "yawn, that's a 2015 plane, it must be weak." It may well be as extensively updated and altered as the F-16 was from 1980 to 2020.

Also, I imagine, we now have the means to at least in principle source equipment to recycle large amounts of rusted scrap iron that's just lying around and/or build new steel mills. We couldn't do that until chasing the Vicks out.

Yeah. The Des Plaines-class predates Burns' arrival in Chicago; it's a pre-Commonwealth design that was limited to "stuff we can get away with operating without the Vicks murdering us for owning it." Making your gunboat out of wood was a good way to help meet that goal, I imagine.
Sorry, I should had elaborated more . I did want to emphasize that the F22 isn't enough, we need a fighter bomber for our tactical needs, one that isn't the museum era stuff etcetc our current airforce is equipped with.


I'm citing the existence of such "old gen" stuff and the state of our opponents hence to justify and drum up votes for buying the old gen stuff now instead of waiting a turn later and see what new stuff the manufacturers will sell us.

We can use such old platforms to begin inculating the basic skills our armed forces will need.
 
Sorry, I should had elaborated more . I did want to emphasize that the F22 isn't enough, we need a fighter bomber for our tactical needs, one that isn't the museum era stuff etcetc our current airforce is equipped with.


I'm citing the existence of such "old gen" stuff and the state of our opponents hence to justify and drum up votes for buying the old gen stuff now instead of waiting a turn later and see what new stuff the manufacturers will sell us.

We can use such old platforms to begin inculating the basic skills our armed forces will need.
Unlike rifles, there is only so old a vehicle can get before its skills do not transfer to operating its more modern descendants.
I would not train an Abrams crew on a T34, or even a T72. And I have doubts about how learning to operate a 20th century vintage vehicle helps you with a 2070s hybrid-electric.

Spending money to acquire T90s and M1A1s for skills is an egregious waste of cash we have no way of knowing if we can replace in a plot-relevant timescale. Some of this is reparations cash from Victoria, and we arent replacing that soon.
And the Devil Brigade already has a battalions worth of Old Country armor.

As for aircraft, we had at least 4x ex-Chicago Air Patrol F-16s that survived Leamington, and captured at least 33x ex-VAF Falcons in Toledo. And thats not counting whatever else we dug out of the underground base in Utah or scrounged up elsewhere.
Or the more than 200x notCessnas.

We dont need more old warplanes for training.
What we need is operational gear that we can mass deploy and use.
 
Unlike rifles, there is only so old a vehicle can get before its skills do not transfer to operating its more modern descendants.
I would not train an Abrams crew on a T34, or even a T72. And I have doubts about how learning to operate a 20th century vintage vehicle helps you with a 2070s hybrid-electric.

Spending money to acquire T90s and M1A1s for skills is an egregious waste of cash we have no way of knowing if we can replace in a plot-relevant timescale. Some of this is reparations cash from Victoria, and we arent replacing that soon.
And the Devil Brigade already has a battalions worth of Old Country armor.

As for aircraft, we had at least 4x ex-Chicago Air Patrol F-16s that survived Leamington, and captured at least 33x ex-VAF Falcons in Toledo. And thats not counting whatever else we dug out of the underground base in Utah or scrounged up elsewhere.
Or the more than 200x notCessnas.

We dont need more old warplanes for training.
What we need is operational gear that we can mass deploy and use.
I forgot that we captured the Falcons.

I don't think I can find a logical reason to support my course of action. Hmmm...
 
During the Collapse, fuel and parts were at a premium. This produced aircraft designs that were as cheap as possible while still able to perform in their role; the most extreme expression of this trend is the "Gnat."

The Gnat is an ultralight propeller plane using a combination of electrical and pedal power. It is designed for its armament and armor to be swappable, but its weight limits must be carefully considered before equipping it. Because of these limitations, outside of training it is mainly suited for reconnaissance and anti-ground use under conditions where a drone cannot be deployed, but higher-performance aircraft are uneconomical to use.

Its advantages, though, saw it used in Victorian warfare. It could be easily repaired by a competent mechanic and electrician; this initially qualified it as Retroculture-compatible (though this was later reconsidered; see below). In addition, it was equipped mainly with man-portable weapons, and the idea of an air force as "flying infantry" appealed to the 4GW mindset of warfare revolving entirely around infantry maneuvers.

However, these same traits made it effective in anti-Victoria resistance. Since the Gnat required minimal maintenance, and all essential parts other than the airframe could be (by design) obtained at a bicycle shop or scavenged from consumer electronics, it was an ideal choice for guerilla warfare; especially against the infantry-heavy doctrines of the NC. It was also not unheard of for Gnats to be rebuilt with an engine and an autopilot or remote-control replacing the pilot, turning it into a disposable drone. As the Gnat was more effective against the NC than in its hands, it was declared Retroculture-incompatible in 2047.
 
Sorry, I should had elaborated more . I did want to emphasize that the F22 isn't enough, we need a fighter bomber for our tactical needs, one that isn't the museum era stuff etcetc our current airforce is equipped with.
Notably, our original museum airforce has effectively all been shot down.

Our current jet airforce (discounting the one squadron of F-22s) is flying F-16Vs captured at Toledo, and hopefully refurbished with non-sabotaged components.

I'm pretty sure the Commonwealth has the facilities to at least do maintenance on the General Electric F110 engine found in F-16 and F-15 fighters, for whatever that's worth.

Unlike rifles, there is only so old a vehicle can get before its skills do not transfer to operating its more modern descendants.
I would not train an Abrams crew on a T34, or even a T72. And I have doubts about how learning to operate a 20th century vintage vehicle helps you with a 2070s hybrid-electric.
Remember, it's not just about experience operating the vehicles. It's about experience commanding units that use a weapon system. Experience running around pretending to be an artillery battery with no guns just isn't a substitute for experience running around being an artillery battery, even if you're using obsolete guns and will need months to retrain on the new guns you actually intend to use in the future.

Of course, that's subject to drastic changes with new generations of equipment, too- but it's a factor. One thing we don't want is a situation where effectively no one in our military command structure has more than a couple of years' experience working with complex modern hardware of any kind when the war starts. You can train the grunts to use new equipment in a year or two, but you can't necessarily train the majors and captains. With that said...

We dont need more old warplanes for training.
What we need is operational gear that we can mass deploy and use.
In the context of the Air Force, you are not wrong.
 
Notably, our original museum airforce has effectively all been shot down.

Our current jet airforce (discounting the one squadron of F-22s) is flying F-16Vs captured at Toledo, and hopefully refurbished with non-sabotaged components.

I'm pretty sure the Commonwealth has the facilities to at least do maintenance on the General Electric F110 engine found in F-16 and F-15 fighters, for whatever that's worth.


technically there's also the old airplanes from that general-turned-warlord-turned-cooperator. Though I think we lack the means to maintain them long-term right now, so unless we get replacement parts from oversea (or maybe Cali?) they're basically limited-use.


the sad thing is, our CURRENT airforce is still leagues better than the old ones, especially if we managed to un-sabotage the F16Vs. We only really did that well against Victoria because they were criminally stupid AND sabotages AND I think we also had naval support in that fight. And it was still only a tie I think.



...shame that the military equip action has an AP limit of 2, because we'd REALLY need to put 3 on it if we could.

We can't afford to re-fail the actions that failed this turn. the expansion, the refugees, the equip...
 
So here's a question, what if we made Denver the source of our new nation instead of Chicago?
...source? Do you mean capital? I feel as though that wouldn't really work, given how Denver's the country's rail hub, and there hasn't been any sort of comprehensive maintenance on those tracks for literal decades by this point. Not to mention it'd be at the edges of our territory and economic centers, if not outright beyond them currently.
 
...source? Do you mean capital? I feel as though that wouldn't really work, given how Denver's the country's rail hub, and there hasn't been any sort of comprehensive maintenance on those tracks for literal decades by this point. Not to mention it'd be at the edges of our territory and economic centers, if not outright beyond them currently.

I think they mean "what would happen if we played a revivalist movement in Denver?". Iirc, Denver's motivations for not throwing its weight around was "if we got too strong Russia would send their Cali goons to bash our heads in"
 
The Odyssey of St.John
Part 1

Story by FaxModem1
St. John would do anything for his sister. His mother, on her death bed, had made him promise to always look after her. That was something he repeated to himself regularly. Times had always been tough, but they got harder when his father had died in the war against the Machine State. Their family was never wealthy to begin with, but things got tougher when their mom got sick. That meant taking whatever work became available. If only so that he and his sister Joan could eat. It had started off simple. His sister worked as an indoor laborer for one of the property owning families. It would be at the Henderson farm, as Mrs. Henderson had passed away suddenly of a fever the previous summer, and the man needed someone to do the dishes and the cooking. As for why Joan and not one of the girls from CORN, it appeared that Mr. Henderson preferred the 'look of a paler face' for his indoor staff over that of who worked his fields. St. John found, due to his family's debts, that he would work on the farm, helping water crops and harvest when they were ready for harvest. It would be back breaking work, as Mr. Henderson wasn't known for his kindness and generosity, but it would keep him and his sister fed. Being fifteen, St. John knew little about the world, aside from it being a storm to weather until one got into heaven. But he would do anything to keep his sister safe. Little did St. John know, he would make bigger sacrifices to keep that promise.

For a long time, it was a lonely existence. He was too white to be talked to by his fellow laborers, too poor to be talked to by the farm owners or businessmen unless it was an order, and too young to be trusted by anyone who wanted to keep a secret. And on a rich farm in Victoria, it seemed like everyone had some sort of secret. So St. John learned to keep to himself,band only talked with his sister at the end of the day.

Things in Victoria weren't ever what St. John would consider good, for who could consider a world that robbed them if their parents good, but he thought that there was a basic level that they would never fall below. The world seemed to be doing what to could to destroy that illusion. Things were changing. People in the fields started leaving, being handed a rifle and joining the army, or going somewhere else because they just didn't feel safe here anymore. The hours St. John worked to try and make up for this seemed to increase. It seemed though, no matter how much he harvested, he watered, planted, pruned, or nurtured one plant, there were dozens of others who withered due to lack of attention.

Mr. Henderson was furious at that. And the seeming change in his fortunes. Shipments of things, whether new equipment, necessities, luxuries, or replacement parts seemed to come to the farm in longer and longer intervals, or not at all. This upset Mr. Henderson to an extent St John feared, as the man compensated for any bad news by going to his liquor cabinet and having a few glasses, then decide to was time to show the staff why they were at fault for whatever was wrong that day. On certain occasions, Mr. Henderson was quick to grab a rather old leather bound stick and take it out on anyone who caught his eye in the fields as a demonstration. The reason would be for not working fast enough or hard enough, not seeming to care that said examples only slowed everyone down and made said demonstration incapable of working for a few days. On more than one occasion, St. John learned to hide in the fields whenever Mr. Henderson had drank something from his liquor cabinet. Sadly, there were at least four occasions where he was caught before he could have found a good hiding place.

The food at meal times became scarcer, and St. John acquired the sinful habit of stealing his employer's crops. Ignorance only because he wanted to stop his sister's crying because she was hungry.

So when Mr. Henderson was talking about making Joan into his new wife at the ripe old age of thirteen, St. John decided that there had to be somewhere better to go. After all, many other laborers had taken the cue to run, so why not them as well? He had no idea as to where, for the world outside Victoria was a country controlled by demons, devils, and godless machines. But he couldn't let Joan marry the beast of a man who controlled their fates. St. John felt that he had no choice but to grab her and run for what he hoped were greener pastures.

Of course, where in the world was safer than Victoria?

To Be Continued....
 
technically there's also the old airplanes from that general-turned-warlord-turned-cooperator.
If you mean Toledo, he didn't have an independent air force as far as I know. So the only planes we got "from" him were the Vick F-16s we captured, which I already mention.

If you mean that guy out west that we sent the Devils to bring in, those are the F-22s I'm talking about.

So here's a question, what if we made Denver the source of our new nation instead of Chicago?
I'm here assuming that by "Denver" you mean "what if we had chosen a Denver-centered polity as our new revivalist faction?"

Well. Denver has the advantage that it's at or near the fingertip limit of what the Vicks can even send a division to without it falling apart for lack of supplies because even pillaging the locals only gets you so far. It has the disadvantage of being at least theoretically within striking range of the then Russia-dominated NCR, but it's far enough out that the NCR didn't do much with it either.

Denver's big disadvantage is that it's landlocked, very very far from any good surviving means of long distance transportation. With railroads and highways crumbling, people don't naturally go there anymore. Resources are scarce in the immediate vicinity, making it hard to support a large population or industrial base. All in all, I think we'd be in for a bigger struggle trying to make ourselves relevant.

Poptart's QMing philosophy tends to live at the confluence between "I'll let them try anything" and "actions have consequences." In Denver, we'd probably be relatively safe from the big powers that might crush us unless we deliberately did something dumb like take Russian Attention, but the big powers would be relatively safe from having to worry about us.
 
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So how large is our military at this point? Is our ground forces still at the same size as during the 1st Erie War (which I am calling it as we will no doubt have another with Victoria soon enough)?
 
I believe that at a bare minimum, we have fully integrated the three divisions of Toledo troops into our armed forces, plus a number of the militias from Detroit and from the prewar CFC territories. However, it may still be infeasible to deploy all those troops at once due to lack of full equipment standardization or constitutional restraints on what units can be called up for what purposes.
 
So how large is our military at this point? Is our ground forces still at the same size as during the 1st Erie War (which I am calling it as we will no doubt have another with Victoria soon enough)?
Including the Toledo divisions, we have 7 divisions in total. Of that, 5 are infantry, 1 is the Detroit militia and 1 is a combined arms divisions. Prior to the Erie war we had three divisions. Our military has increased in size by 133%, making us the militarily strongest polity this side of the Rockies. Still, we have much to do in terms of military expansion, Victoria attacked us with 12 divisions in total, out of 15 divisions. It's unclear how many they could field due to population troubles from the civil war, but I would err on the side of pessimism. It's also entirely possible we will be drawn into a 2-theater war during the next war with Victoria, something like a Russian proxy trying to cut us off from the Mississippi river. Or Victoria getting regional allies.

I believe that at a bare minimum, we have fully integrated the three divisions of Toledo troops into our armed forces, plus a number of the militias from Detroit and from the prewar CFC territories. However, it may still be infeasible to deploy all those troops at once due to lack of full equipment standardization or constitutional restraints on what units can be called up for what purposes.
Constitutional constraints are obviously a factor, though I don't think standardization is an issue. Most of the equipment being used would be old american equipment, which should mostly follow NATO standards. Local productions would likely for simplicity's sake build their arms to be compatible with NATO munitions. There are some foreign arm imports, though not at a massive scale given the strict control Victoria had over the channel. The big issue I see with deploying large numbers is logistics. Outside of the great lakes and potentially the Mississippi, there is no infrastructure that enables large-scale supply lines for us. There are very few areas we can commit large numbers of forces to.
 
The General shakes her head. "Our illustrious new trainers have a surprise for us," she says.

Wendy scowls, the mood amongst the others spoiling as well. None of them liked the new guys. When word had gotten around that they were getting a group of old Air Force veterans training them how to fly, they'd practically had stars in their eyes. Hellfire and the Devils come again, this time to give the Commonwealth Air Force some of the Old Country magic.

Imagine their disappointment to instead receive a batch of the sourest, least disciplined assholes ever to walk the Earth. She and the other girls had swiftly learned not to be alone with any of their trainers. She'd nearly pulled a knife on one of them, once, when he wouldn't back off.
Interesting note here.
"In the air?" hisses Burns, turning to Aubrey. "You can't possibly still have the pilots."

Aubrey glares up at Burns. "I have 'em. I still have some of the boys from the War. I said Ace Wing is still ready to fly, and I meant it. You want eight Raptors in the air with aces at the controls, I'll give 'em to you!" He takes a deep breath. "...I'll admit that the boys are getting older. Been doing their best to stay in shape, but the youngest one is over sixty. We have new pilots, these days."

"They can't have had any real training hours on these planes," says Burns. "Not if you've stayed hidden."

"I've had boys bitch about the Major making them do maintenance on rust hulks whose engines won't even start," rasps Aubrey. He coughs to clear his throat. He smirks. "But...yeah, no, they don't fly anymore. Russians think I don't know about the radar sets they've planted in my land. Hah." He shakes his head. "We have a simulator. It's better than nothing, and the boys train for flight under the old aces and on our trainers. We have a couple of jets. Couple of old Talons that I can keep in the air with spit, glue, and spare parts from the black market. Plus, they all fly the props, whenever we need it. It's...no, it's not exactly what I would choose to put on a Raptor, but it's better than nothing. And hey, a proper state can do a lot better, right?"
So if Im right? They're probably mostly dealing with the new guys, not the original crop of ex-USAF veteran -22 pilots.
Old guys are not really in the state to pull hard gees, and are likely getting their brains picked for operational knowledge by everyone from military intelligence to the instructors setting up training programs.

Plus, attempting to press a fit twenty something year old pilot is not exactly for old dudes with limited healthcare for thirty years.
Having to pull a knife suggests perps a lot younger and fitter.

So you have a bunch of hotshit pilots who think they are hotshit as the only F22 pilots in the world, and they are having to train their replacements. And worse, their replacements dont even have the decency to be nepotism hires, but are genuine combat veterans of the largest air war on the continent in the last two decades.

Little wonder a lot of them are sour. I would be sour too in their place.
No excuse for the lack of discipline though, especially since its stupid; if you want to fly again, keeping a clean nose and being helpful is most likely to get you in the cockpit of at least an F16, even if the Commonwealth cant reurn all the other 22s to service.



Remember, it's not just about experience operating the vehicles. It's about experience commanding units that use a weapon system. Experience running around pretending to be an artillery battery with no guns just isn't a substitute for experience running around being an artillery battery, even if you're using obsolete guns and will need months to retrain on the new guns you actually intend to use in the future.
Of course, that's subject to drastic changes with new generations of equipment, too- but it's a factor. One thing we don't want is a situation where effectively no one in our military command structure has more than a couple of years' experience working with complex modern hardware of any kind when the war starts. You can train the grunts to use new equipment in a year or two, but you can't necessarily train the majors and captains. With that said
Sure. This stuff wont help though, because given the paucity of supplies for any of it, you cant use them in training anyway.

So your majors and captains and colonels are stuck doing the same tabletop exercises and unarmed mock field exercises they would be doing in the absence of all this thirdline scrap, because you cant afford to run that mishmash of equipment in the field for training exercises and blow through what maintenance supplies you were able to scrounge up.

technically there's also the old airplanes from that general-turned-warlord-turned-cooperator. Though I think we lack the means to maintain them long-term right now, so unless we get replacement parts from oversea (or maybe Cali?) they're basically limited-use.
Aubrey's 388th Fighter Wing had an indeterminate number of helicopters, some T38 Talon supersonic jet trainers, and an assortment of prop planes, presumably including some cargo planes.
All ours now.

He also originally had 17x Raptors in Ace Squadron in Utah; we saw 17x underground revetments.
4x are operational, another 4x can be brought back to life with grease work and supplies, and who knows if we can resurrect the last 9 outside of a proper factory refurb(the GM knows). Will need foreign help anyway.

If we can bring them all back, that represents an operational combat squadron of F22s. ONE squadron.
Which isnt bad if you use them as the doorkickers for a bunch of late model fourth and fifth generation aircraft, with cheaper drones filling in the rest of the way.

While the Russians definitely looted a bunch of F35s and know their performance profile well enough to train the VAF against them, there's a fair chance that they did not get their hands on any F22s because there were so few built.
Which means the VAF and any Vic radar crews will knows very little about their performance and sensor characteristics.

It does depend on how much effort the Russians commit to equipping the OPFOR.
So here's a question, what if we made Denver the source of our new nation instead of Chicago?
Pro: USAF Academy with former USAF assets and infrastructure, Colorado Springs is less than a hundred kilometers away, significant local technical base, massive historic army and air force presence in the Denver County/El Paso County area, distance from Victoria and California both.

Con: Rightwing Dominionist Christian presence, limited local resources, largely roadbound logistics, relatively small population base, 1200km from the Gulf of California, whatever happened to NORAD during the Collapse is still unresolved.
So how large is our military at this point? Is our ground forces still at the same size as during the 1st Erie War (which I am calling it as we will no doubt have another with Victoria soon enough)?
Im not counting militias here; my understanding is that those are territorial defense, at least at the moment.
We might change that.

Text evidence is that the army is six combat divisions of regulars, numbering 84k to 90k.
Assuming Ron Burns insists on what he was taught, division slice is in the 40% range for Western forces, so there's up to another 100k of support troops and affiliated civilians keeping those guys in the field.

So you're looking at somewhere in the 150-200k ground army.

We operated a hundred aircraft at Leamington, and still had around twenty five turboprop ground attack aircraft after neutralizing the VAF. We had around 4x operational F16s survive Lesmington. We know around 50x Vic F16s we know survived that SAM trap near Monroe; when we captured their base 20x could fly, and 13x required maintenance. Plus there's Aubrey's contribution.

Then add up all the people necessary to keep them running from ground crew to admin to training to intel and meteorology to base security to search and rescue. Throw in Aubrey's contribution of techs and maintainers.
I'd estimate another 5-10k in the air force and growing, depending on which of Aubrey's guys are airmen and which are contractors.

The Navy has 22xish wooden gunboats and a marines component in the reinforced company/battalion range.
By the time you add up the gunboat crews, port defense dudes, all the support elements and the marines?
Assume another 5-10k for them as well.

So in total, by my guess, that would give the total Commonwealth armed forces in the 160k-220k range.
Somewhere around the size of the Victorian force at the Detroit War. Roughly 1% of a 19.5 million person nation and growing.
Far and away the biggest armed force the Great Lakes has seen in thirty years.

Helps explain why even enemies come to diplomatic conferences when we call.
The Commonwealth definitely looms menacingly by North American standards.
 
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Including the Toledo divisions, we have 7 divisions in total. Of that, 5 are infantry, 1 is the Detroit militia and 1 is a combined arms divisions. Prior to the Erie war we had three divisions...
We also had a bunch of odds-and-sods territorial militias that weren't really capable of being deployed outside Commonwealth territory before the Detroit War.

Given the general lawlessness of the surrounding lands and the probability that even in the territories under our control there are isolated groups of armed potential troublemakers, I'm pretty sure those militias are still there and are still unsuitable for deployment, for what it's worth.

Constitutional constraints are obviously a factor, though I don't think standardization is an issue. Most of the equipment being used would be old american equipment, which should mostly follow NATO standards. Local productions would likely for simplicity's sake build their arms to be compatible with NATO munitions. There are some foreign arm imports, though not at a massive scale given the strict control Victoria had over the channel. The big issue I see with deploying large numbers is logistics. Outside of the great lakes and potentially the Mississippi, there is no infrastructure that enables large-scale supply lines for us. There are very few areas we can commit large numbers of forces to.
To be fair, the combination "controls the Great Lakes and Mississippi River basin up to the head of navigation along each tributary, plus has the ability to build and secure a hundred kilometers of railroad on demand in a reasonably short length of time" actually opens up a LOT of the country, percentagewise.

And many of the areas we don't get good access to just from those points are in areas the Vicks will have trouble reliably penetrating due to other potential rivals, such as California, the Free City of New York, the Miami Whozit, and assorted Latin American states trying to horn in with their own spheres of influence potentially.

Aubrey also had some old trainer jets.
Huh. Noted.

While the Russians definitely looted a bunch of F35s and know their performance profile well enough to train the VAF against them, there's a fair chance that they did not get their hands on any F22s because there were so few built.
Especially not if what is damn near 10% of the production run wound up in Aubrey's base. That... significantly chews into the maximum plausible percentage that could still exist, allowing for planes that decayed into uselessness for lack of maintenance before anyone could get to them, or were lost due to accidents or combat or being carried away by someone else who was willing to pay for them.

Pro: USAF Academy with former USAF assets and infrastructure, Colorado Springs is less than a hundred kilometers away, significant local technical base, massive historic army and air force presence in the Denver County/El Paso County area, distance from Victoria and California both.
The historic Air Force stuff around Colorado Springs was almost certainly destroyed rather methodically given how much effort was apparently put into eliminating NORAD headquarters somehow.

Text evidence is that the army is six combat divisions of regulars, numbering 84k to 90k.
Assuming Ron Burns insists on what he was taught, division slice is in the 40% range for Western forces, so there's up to another 100k of support troops and affiliated civilians keeping those guys in the field.

So you're looking at somewhere in the 150-200k ground army.
Given that Burns has been succeeded in turning the CFC army into a logistically proficient force (albeit one that's still using second and third-rate logistical equipment), the support troops and affiliated civilians are likely to be there.
 
We also had a bunch of odds-and-sods territorial militias that weren't really capable of being deployed outside Commonwealth territory before the Detroit War.

Given the general lawlessness of the surrounding lands and the probability that even in the territories under our control there are isolated groups of armed potential troublemakers, I'm pretty sure those militias are still there and are still unsuitable for deployment, for what it's worth.
I'm pretty sure the militia division was reorganized as part of the military training reform. It's members saw combat, fought alongside other commonwealth troops, there is no good reason to leave them as militia.
To be fair, the combination "controls the Great Lakes and Mississippi River basin up to the head of navigation along each tributary, plus has the ability to build and secure a hundred kilometers of railroad on demand in a reasonably short length of time" actually opens up a LOT of the country, percentagewise.
I'm not sure where you are getting "can build hundreds of kilometers of rail in a short length of time" from. I don't think we have even built a rail line inside the quest yet, so we don't know anything about the time frame required. We can presumably some railways during the interwar time, but they don't exist as of yet.
 
I'm pretty sure the militia division was reorganized as part of the military training reform. It's members saw combat, fought alongside other commonwealth troops, there is no good reason to leave them as militia.
I'm not talking about the Detroit militia.

I'm talking about the various militias that never deployed to Detroit and probably saw no fighting during the war, except perhaps by coincidence or if there were any weird Vick-cobelligerent-rando raids we never even heard about at the strategic level.

I'm not sure where you are getting "can build hundreds of kilometers of rail in a short length of time" from. I don't think we have even built a rail line inside the quest yet, so we don't know anything about the time frame required. We can presumably some railways during the interwar time, but they don't exist as of yet.
Yeah. I'm trying to think forward a few years here in terms of what we will be able to do.
 
Apparently the state capitals of Indiana, Iowa, Nebraska and Oklahoma, and both Dakota's were recaptured by the Old US.
Did these events happen?

And do these territories have any unique scars left from their unique shared experience.
 
Uh... what? Could you provide more detail about when and where and who and what and how?
Chapter 22 of the source material
Rumford go into detail about how the 82nd airborne took Indianapolis from a separatist Republican Governor who according to the text believed his connections would keep Indiana out of the conflict, said Governor was shot dead outside his car, perhaps intentionally perhaps not, either way the State is taken in October (of 2033 in this timeline) with the rest of the states taken by March of 2034 with "rural militas" harassing the troops.

Also Mexico fights the Texas-Arizona-New Mexico alliance until the "Aztecs" manifest (as a footnote a "Governor John Dalton" is mentioned leading Texas).
 
Shrug.

Given that the 'Aztecs' are outright fabricated, any or all of the bits that Rumford is talking about may be bullshit or may not have happened the way he described. I generally only take stuff verbatim from him when it involves something I think he would recount accurately from his own perspective because of his weird spitefulness, such as the idea that the guards of the Oshkosh concentration camp "departed as smoke." Which was where Sara Goldblum came from, because I wanted to invert the usual bloodless casual atrocity tone of Victoria with a character who everyone knows is capable of getting her hands that dirty because she did... and then went on to live the rest of her life as an unrepentant mass murderer of mass murderers.
 
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Given that the 'Aztecs' are outright fabricated, any or all of the bits that Rumford is talking about may be bullshit or may not have happened the way he described. I generally only take stuff verbatim from him when it involves something I think he would recount accurately from his own perspective because of his weird spitefulness, such as the idea that the guards of the Oshkosh concentration camp "departed as smoke." Which was where Sara Goldblum came from, because I wanted to invert the usual bloodless casual atrocity tone of Victoria with a character who everyone knows is capable of getting her hands that dirty because she did... and then went on to live the rest of her life as an unrepentant mass murderer of mass murderers.
Eh Fort Wayne is a Canon nation and their whole story of "being sacked by a brigades worth of Gang members" is canon.
A separatist movement in the Midwest being suppressed by the military, with at least one Governor who may or may not have been involved dying, and Texas allying with it's closed neighbors and having at one point a leader named "John Dalton" isn't as strange by comparison. Not to mention it'd give some "character" to at least one of our cities Indianapolis.
 
The historic Air Force stuff around Colorado Springs was almost certainly destroyed rather methodically given how much effort was apparently put into eliminating NORAD headquarters somehow.
NORAD being blown out is canon for the quest, yes.
But I think its unlikely that the perps responsible had the ability to do anything outside the Mountain itself; in addition to Cheyenne Mountain Space Force Station, the area around Colorado Springs is also home to the USAF Academy, Schriever AFB, Peterson AFB and Fort Carson. Thousands of troops.

Cheyenne Mountain had to be a quick in and out without being noticed, else the perps would not be a mystery.
And that mystery was critical to not having America's surviving nuclear forces default to first strike protocols.
Not to mention that Fort Carson is home to 4th Infantry Division and 10th Special Forces Group.

Thats my reasoning at least.
I'm pretty sure the militia division was reorganized as part of the military training reform. It's members saw combat, fought alongside other commonwealth troops, there is no good reason to leave them as militia.
Pre-Detroit War we had 3 divisions of regulars and the Commonwealth State Militias.
We sent the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Divisions to Detroit.
The CSMs stayed home and garrisoned their home territories.

During the War, we mobilized the Detroit Militia(they were then allies, not members) and demobilized them after the war.
When Toledo turned coat, it brought 3 divisions of high quality State Militia to the Commonwealth.
After the war, we recruited most of these guys to expand the army from 3 to 6 divisions.

The Commonwealth's actual militias have not been involved in any significant fighting since the initial purge of Vic networks when the Devil Brigade came to town.
I'm not sure where you are getting "can build hundreds of kilometers of rail in a short length of time" from. I don't think we have even built a rail line inside the quest yet, so we don't know anything about the time frame required. We can presumably some railways during the interwar time, but they don't exist as of yet.
Simon said a hundred kilometers. And honestly I can see it.
Given high priority, low labor costs with multiple work crews in parallel, existing satellite maps and geography records, USA-era records, no wrangling about right of way, available materials and modern construction techniques? Yeah.

If I had to make a WAG? Three or four months. 3km a day. I think military rail-laying is faster for military logistics.
This is a guess, though, so lots of salt.
Chapter 22 of the source material
Rumford go into detail about how the 82nd airborne took Indianapolis from a separatist Republican Governor who according to the text believed his connections would keep Indiana out of the conflict, said Governor was shot dead outside his car, perhaps intentionally perhaps not, either way the State is taken in October (of 2033 in this timeline) with the rest of the states taken by March of 2034 with "rural militas" harassing the troops.

Also Mexico fights the Texas-Arizona-New Mexico alliance until the "Aztecs" manifest (as a footnote a "Governor John Dalton" is mentioned leading Texas).
As far as most of this quest seems to be concerned, Rumford's literary accounts are in-universe propaganda, and he himself the very definition of unreliable narrator until and unless confirmed by independent sources.
The records that claim fighting a war with Azania when Azania does not exist is not a reliable historical source.

For example, you can be sure that the "Mexico fights Texas-Arizona-New Mexico alliance" plotline didnt happen here because after the nuking of Atlanta was attributed to a Texan militia, its canon for this quest that everyone got together to disarm Texas by force.
And have kept punching them every time someone has tried to do some organization.

Eh Fort Wayne is a Canon nation and their whole story of "being sacked by a brigades worth of Gang members" is canon.
A separatist movement in the Midwest being suppressed by the military, with at least one Governor who may or may not have been involved dying, and Texas allying with it's closed neighbors and having at one point a leader named "John Dalton" isn't as strange by comparison. Not to mention it'd give some "character" to at least one of our cities Indianapolis.
Whats canon for this quest is, and I quote, "a brief occupation by a violent gang".
No mention of size of occupation is mentioned, nor is duration.
And gangs dont really scale up into the thousands of men required in a brigade.
 
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