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Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)

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jwolfe_beta said:
And then there's the weirdness of Alica and Fate's conversation after the BoD absorbed her.

For all that it was supposed to be a Lotus-Eater Machine situation, Alica certainly didn't seem to be behaving according to the expected script towards the end. Was it the BoD being distracted by Nanoha repeatedly blasting it plus Hayate going

'I'm your master, I'm evoking Administrative access, stop.' and thus not keeping things on track, Fate's own subconscious effecting the dream, or someone/thing else?
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After being captured by the absorbtion bounded field the illusion you're put in works by reading the mind of the captured person to give them their deepest desires.

And because Fate has Alicia's memories implanted in her the illusion ended up making a much more perfect copy of Alicia's personality than Precia managed with Fate.

You could consider the dream as essentially being a combination of Fate and Alicia's desires.

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Dream of the book of darkness
An illusion Magic that is used upon those who are captured by the "Absorption". Accessing the Mind of the Captured, it shows a dream based upon the deepest desires that is hidden within their mind. Until the Master of the Book of Darkness releases them, or the Captured understands that the dream is, in fact, a dream, and then wish strongly to leave the dream behind, this Dream continues non-stop until eternity.
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Sisters
While Fate had no means to meet with Alicia when she was alive, when Fate was born, she had been implanted the memories of Alicia Testarossa, and at the time of Alicia's Death and Fate's Birth, the memories of the two people were a muddied mess. The Dream of the Book of Darkness had awakened even the portions that Fate herself could not recognize nor recall about Alicia Testarossa's memories, and recreated the personality from there. While it was never possible in real life, but it if it was these two would have been sweet sisters. When Fate chose to leave, what Alicia said to Fate was in her own words as the "Older Sister", which was given to the "Younger Sister" who she never managed to meet in real life.
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zernoc56 said:
Oh, so magical acute radiation poisoning. Got it.
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I don't think Radiation poisoning is a good comparison since the very reason the TSAB is a heavily magical civilisation is because magical energy is a clean efficient source of energy. And they don't want pollution like the various WMDs Mid-Childa and Belka used in the past caused.

To speculate a bit more on the details i can think of two possibilities of the top of my head of why Alicia suffered cardiac arrest based on the info about magic in Nanoha i know.

1:Since it is called unreacted reactive magical energy it reacted once Alicia inhaled it and caused a small magical explosion inside her lungs similar to a magical attacks stun setting. Which can cause mild physical shock to biological matter and that impact occuring inside her lungs stopped her heart. And probably damaged her lungs to.


2: Since it was intended to be converted to electricity in the reactor when Alicia inhaled it the magical energy reacted and finished that process and Alicia received an electric shock that stopped her heart.
 
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Honestly the comparison jumping to my mind is the Nasuverse's True Ether/Grain-a modern human needs breathing aid to not have issues in an atmosphere full of it, but it works fine for fueling magic and isn't involved in magic pollution.

(Also wasn't there some speculation earlier in the thread that Alica had gotten decored by the Book of Darkness at some point, which A)Might explain some of the Dreamworld oddities and B)Probably didn't help her health in this reactor explosion?)
 
green-link94 said:
The info we have on it is that Alicia died due to shock induced cardiac arrest from inhaling a large amount of something called unreacted reactive magical energy.

Alicia is also the only person to have died in the reactor incident.
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I can confirm that in this crossover the precise nature of how and why Alicia expired is different, and I cannot confirm or deny (because I do not myself know for certain) whether there were any other deaths in the same incident.

But Alicia still died in a reactor accident involving a reactor Precia was working on at the time.

green-link94 said:
I don't think Radiation poisoning is a good comparison since the very reason the TSAB is a heavily magical civilisation is because magical energy is a clean efficient source of energy. And they don't want pollution like the various WMDs Mid-Childa and Belka used in the past caused.

To speculate a bit more on the details i can think of two possibilities of the top of my head of why Alicia suffered cardiac arrest based on the info about magic in Nanoha i know.

1:Since it is called unreacted reactive magical energy it reacted once Alicia inhaled it and caused a small magical explosion inside her lungs similar to a magical attacks stun setting. Which can cause mild physical shock to biological matter and that impact occuring inside her lungs stopped her heart. And probably damaged her lungs to.

2: Since it was intended to be converted to electricity in the reactor when Alicia inhaled it the magical energy reacted and finished that process and Alicia received an electric shock that stopped her heart.
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The crossover's cause of death for Alicia actually makes it more analogous to the effects of radiation poisoning, though not precisely analogous by any means.

It ties into the precise nature of the type of reactor Precia was working on, too, and indirectly into setting cosmology.
 
Simon_Jester said:
The crossover's cause of death for Alicia actually makes it more analogous to the effects of radiation poisoning, though not precisely analogous by any means.

It ties into the precise nature of the type of reactor Precia was working on, too, and indirectly into setting cosmology.
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Sounds like a possible reason for Fate to be stronger than Alicia even if she isn't the product of a super soldier project. After all, unless Precia took samples from Alicia before the accident, it's likely that whatever killed Alicia would effect the samples Precia takes for cloning her as part of Project Fate (interestingly, if the magic particles in canon turned into electricity to cause Alicias death, then it's fitting that Fate would have an affinity for electricity.)
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Sounds like she was attempting to harness something that really should have been left alone. And/or something that was beyond 'mere' humans as opposed to beings like Selene.
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Well in canon the reactor she was working on had something to do with "energy sources allowing the traversal of dimensions". The translation i am looking at might have worded it a bit awkwardly. And IIRC the reactor in the garden of time is a completed version of it. It also apparently has some similiarities to the Jewel Seeds in how they interfere with dimensions.

So if canon is any indication of what they are doing with it in the guest that is probably related.
 
Simon_Jester said:
There is also the hypothesis that Alicia has, in fact, already been brought back to life... as Fate, which would rather put the capstone on the tragedy of Precia Testarossa's entire life, wouldn't you say?
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I like this one.

It's just so poetic and satisfying.

Especially in this crossover, where it means that Precia surpassed the precursors in resurrection, but was foiled by her inability/unwillingness to love her resurrected daughter.
 
It's got strong Frankensteinian aspects, which is nice in a way, especially since it provides for a considerably happier ending where the equivalent of Frankenstein's creation gets a decent life (and a wife) out of the whole plotline and Dr. Frankenstein's counterpart gets to blow herself up in an insane quest to accomplish something she refuses to admit she's already achieved.
 
Simon_Jester said:
It's got strong Frankensteinian aspects, which is nice in a way, especially since it provides for a considerably happier ending where the equivalent of Frankenstein's creation gets a decent life (and a wife) out of the whole plotline and Dr. Frankenstein's counterpart gets to blow herself up in an insane quest to accomplish something she refuses to admit she's already achieved.
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Of course depending on how one looks at the situation Precia is technically correct that Fate isn't Alicia even if her daughter's soul went into this new form.

It would be the same situation as Usagi and Princess Serenity. They have the same soul, appearance and (potentially) general mannerisms etc but Usagi has and will do things that her former incarnation wouldn't consider/was against. This is because the two individuals were raised differently, had different experiences which shaped their personalities in unique fashions and so on.

So while Fate might be Alicia's reincarnation, she is not Alicia herself which is what Precia wanted (or rather an idealized version of her daughter that only existed in her own mind).

The fact that she kept Alicia's preserved corpse contained in a transparent tub inside her private lab probably didn't help matters (or her sanity).
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Of course depending on how one looks at the situation Precia is technically correct that Fate isn't Alicia even if her daughter's soul went into this new form.

It would be the same situation as Usagi and Princess Serenity. They have the same soul, appearance and (potentially) general mannerisms etc but Usagi has and will do things that her former incarnation wouldn't consider/was against. This is because the two individuals were raised differently, had different experiences which shaped their personalities in unique fashions and so on.

So while Fate might be Alicia's reincarnation, she is not Alicia herself which is what Precia wanted (or rather an idealized version of her daughter that only existed in her own mind).

The fact that she kept Alicia's preserved corpse contained in a transparent tub inside her private lab probably didn't help matters (or her sanity).
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The thing is... Serenity grew up as daughter of the divine empress of the solar system, and lived on the moon for over two centuries. Usagi grew up as daughter of an upper middle class Tokyo family, and lived in Azabu-Juban for fourteen years. That's a lot of difference right there.

Fate started at Alicia's same biological age, with her same biological memories. The only really significant thing that changed was her mother's attitude.

If Precia had been able to treat Fate as if she were Alicia reborn, Fate would probably be just about exactly the way Alicia would have turned out.
 
Handedness and magic coloration still differs, the cloning process is not perfect.
But personality wise IIRC younger Fate was very much similar to Alicia - she just grew up. Six year old vs nine year old is a rather large gap.
 
I love the idea of Fate literally just being Alicia with different handedness and magic coloration. Same soul, thoughts, and everything. It's just so tragic, and could make sense. I'm not sure if a Fate with the same handedness and magic coloration would pass Precia's internal standards. She wouldn't perfectly fit Precia's idealized version in her mind, so even if she's literally just Alicia she could totally still be rejected.
 
Simon_Jester said:
If Precia had been able to treat Fate as if she were Alicia reborn, Fate would probably be just about exactly the way Alicia would have turned out.
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Yeah, that's the big 'if' there. Because considering how badly Precia's mental state had become, it's entirely possible that even if there wasn't the slightest physical, mental or behavioral change in Fate from the Alicia she remembered, Precia wouldn't be able to see that and act rationally. I mean, conventional radiation poisoning can utterly **** with a person's mind and behaviors in small and big ways via neural damage. Considering that what Precia got hit with was much more exotic, extremely persistent and in high enough concentrations to be lethal in the long run? That woman's brain was cooked.

As a side note, the Testarossa family apparently has some very good genes since Precia was 54 when she died.
-Looks at character portrait-
Anime aging conventions aside, that does not look like a woman who is over 50 to me.
Edit: Though I suppose in this quest can be explained as one of the benefits of having a properly active magical core from birth/childhood.
 
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jwolfe_beta said:
Precia wouldn't be able to see that and act rationally. I mean, conventional radiation poisoning can utterly **** with a person's mind and behaviors in small and big ways via neural damage.
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Funny thing about that i was reading the newer translated chapters of the original chronicle manga retelling of season 1. And chapter 12 apparently has a full account of the reactor incident from Precia's perspective. And Precia successully put up a barrier that stopped her and the rest of crew doing the reactor test from being affected by the reactor leak.

It probably didn't happen exactly like that in the guest depending on what they have planned but in canon it seems she wasn't actually affected at all by the reactor leak.

It also has more details on how the unreacted reactive mana particles actually killed Alicia. It apparently reacts with and consumes oxygen producing heat and a golden colored light in the process.

And if you inhale these mana particles it reacts with the oxygen in the blood and consumes it. So Alicia's death in canon was due to both all the oxygen in her blood being consumed and the resulting rapid increase in her body temperature.

Edit:Incidentally Fate's magic color is described as the same golden yellow color as the light produced by those mana particles.
 
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Iridesce said:
There's no way that's a coincidence. Not with the sheer variation that mana coloration has.
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It's possible that it played a role in why Fate's linker core ended up more powerful than Alicia's but it's not confirmed. Alicia's own linker cores magical power ouput letter rank is E according to her character file which is one rank higher than the lowest which is F.

Fate's own linker cores magical power output letter rank is never specified other than being pretty powerful. We do have a number for her power output in season 1 though with her average being 1,43 million and Nanoha's is 1,27 million and their output triples when they cast high level magic.
 
green-link94 said:
It's possible that it played a role in why Fate's linker core ended up more powerful than Alicia's but it's not confirmed. Alicia's own linker cores magical power ouput letter rank is E according to her character file which is one rank higher than the lowest which is F.
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"Your power level has a lot to do with whether you've ever really exercised it" would explain a lot there, but I can't be bothered to remember whether that's true in setting...
 
Simon_Jester said:
"Your power level has a lot to do with whether you've ever really exercised it" would explain a lot there, but I can't be bothered to remember whether that's true in setting...
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Green-link jas mentioned that linker cores do grow over time. Particularly between 9 and 19 years of age. This corrected my misconception that they were locked at birth.
 
Simon_Jester said:
"Your power level has a lot to do with whether you've ever really exercised it" would explain a lot there, but I can't be bothered to remember whether that's true in setting...
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It's possible to grow the output through training but just like muscles in real life there are individual differences between people. Chrono for example despite being 5 years older and having been training as a mage for several more years than Fate he still has a weaker output than her.
 
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