True. Considering them pulling out all the dark magic they really aren't supposed to have is an actual concern we have, them trying to use the jewel seeds is also a reasonable concern.
Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
- Location
- Peterborough
I wonder whether a mage activating a Jewel Seed and losing control would have worse or equivalent consequences to what happened at Uminari.
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
Honestly, in this one instance, I'd actually prefer them in the hands of Precia than in Onogoro's. Yes she's insane, but at least her end goal with them doesn't intrinsically include "use the power of the wish granting artifact to take out the Sailor Senshi". Maybe if we join Nanoha and the Bureau in their assault on the Garden of Time, but she still isn't going to come gunning for us specifically with them before that.
Likely worse. They're unrestrained wish engines with amplification properties. Most of Nanoha's early encounters with them are against them latching onto things with no inate magic of their own, regardless of how dramatic the effects are. When Fate and Precia activate them they start threatening local space-time cohesion.
I can't imagine it would be better. That's for sure.
Keeping in mind they respond even to strong emotion.
All it takes is being nearby to an unsealed Jewel Seed while feeling especially angry or greedy and the thing goes off.
You don't even need to touch it, it just takes a lower threshold to activate if you're physically close.
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
IIRC, if by "off-the-shelf" you mean they found in on the bookshelf of one of their parents studies or artifact troves, then yes. The thing they were using wasn't one of Onogoro's standard issue magical tools.
Alicia has been dead for a while. I'm sure we can eventually get the ability to resurrect the long dead, but I'm not sure if we will have the ability to do so by then. Also I'm not sure if subjecting Alicia to Precia's parenting skills is a good idea.
Grue
滅亡迅雷
- Location
- -
I'm under the impression that Alicia's been dead for a bit longer than the last guy, and Azathothing harder in response is presumably not going to be healthy.
(This is ignoring any debate on If Fate Counts)
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- Location
- Peterborough
If we somehow manage to resurrect Alicia, Precia is still a wanted criminal by the TSAB. I doubt they would allow Precia to retain custody of her daughters while in prison.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Could try to use it to crack a senshi glamour to identify their enemy
Full success: gets the right answer, nobody believes the mage who got it
Partial Success: gets the right answer, burns something out in the mages mind
Failure: detonation
Catastrophic failure: the Jewel Seed now falls under the senshi glamor
Oh, I didn't even think about the glamours. Granted if they actually did get past the glamours I don't think it would actually help them much. Case of do you think Superman is less bulletproof in his pajamas? Sure, they could go after the Senshi's families but that would probably just make them mad. And, sure, they could still hurt their families but that's no long term solution. Killing them just removes your leverage. Threatening them too much makes leaving them with you unacceptable. Having them as hostages majes that specific person not likely to fight you but probably just makes the rest mad. MCAT won't stop fighting and will just have a new operational goal. Eventually the Senshi will have their family free, and will have a new grudge against Onogoro.
Alicia has been dead for 26 years at the time of the jewel seed incident.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Precia: "sailor moon please resurrect my daughter"
Sailor Moon: [confusedly points to fate]
P: "what, that thing? no, throw it out i dont need it anymore. my daughter is right this way-"
SM: "<Beacon of War>"
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
a couple weeks, by the shaky timeline ive built. we're still prior to episode 6-7 of 13
Spart117MC
Amateur human
- Location
- Cali
I'm thinking we should send Minako to reinforce the English when the opportunity comes around. Of all the Senshi she's the most familiar with the Brits, has worked before with these Brits and particular, and can speak English conversationally.
Being that the Brits have the equipment and the know how to deal with Empty Face illusions, Rei's presence isn't required to give them a fighting chance against the IMO agents but also she doesn't have a spell to break Empty Face mental manipulation the way Venus does. Usagi has healing spells but those are probably better spent fixing up the troops getting pounded up top and heavy hitters like Chris.
Being that the Brits have the equipment and the know how to deal with Empty Face illusions, Rei's presence isn't required to give them a fighting chance against the IMO agents but also she doesn't have a spell to break Empty Face mental manipulation the way Venus does. Usagi has healing spells but those are probably better spent fixing up the troops getting pounded up top and heavy hitters like Chris.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I will note, again, that the Empty Faces don't seem to be relying primarily on mental manipulations in the jailbreak.
Their approach seems to be "hey, prisoner trapped in MCAT's jail, how about I disable your jailers and hand you a gun, feel like going to shoot some MCAT with us?" At which point the prisoners say "yes, yes I would very much enjoy doing that" and now you have a jailbreak.
The only people we saw mind-controlled are the (surviving) guards, and there probably aren't that many of those, and the main way they're contributing seems to have been by providing information (which is probably mostly done) and by providing a cover story to keep the rest of MCAT noticing what was happening (which is over).
Their approach seems to be "hey, prisoner trapped in MCAT's jail, how about I disable your jailers and hand you a gun, feel like going to shoot some MCAT with us?" At which point the prisoners say "yes, yes I would very much enjoy doing that" and now you have a jailbreak.
The only people we saw mind-controlled are the (surviving) guards, and there probably aren't that many of those, and the main way they're contributing seems to have been by providing information (which is probably mostly done) and by providing a cover story to keep the rest of MCAT noticing what was happening (which is over).
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
- Location
- USA, Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'd say that Jail and Precia got closer to bringing back Alicia than UQ Selene did to bringing back UQ Serenity.
The difference is that Selene accepted Usagi as her daughter, and Precia rejected Fate as her daughter.
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
Honestly, my main concern with the Empty Faces is more about their stealth ability. I'd rather them not get away if we can corner them here. As for their ability to manipulate our people, my main concern is them convincing MCAT's people to step out in front and take friendly fire as human shields. If we can break the compulsions they can hopefully slip back in the confusion and take cover. I also don't know the range or time/difficulty-to-cast they have on their compulsions so their ability to get a hook into their current opposition or whoever MCAT sends as reinforcement to sew chaos is a concern to me as well.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
If a Senshi is present, it is the work of a moment to rush out, grab human shields, and benevolently kidnap them back to our lines kicking and screaming, at which point they're probably safer than they are staying on Onogoro's side of the front line while free of mind control.
And the British team, at least, are wizards, and wizards tend to have some flexibility with nonlethal options- note them subduing the presumable Empty Face who was at the checkpoint at the start of the last chapter by "[taking]turns hitting the probable Empty Face with stun-spells until he stops twitching."
Context does still manner. They were half-trained, sure, but they were nobles of Onogoro who have used scrying before. Meanwhile, most of MCAT is made newly minted mages who only learned magic existed, and Yokai who grew up without ever needing or likely being allowed to learn to scry.
It doesn't surprise me that they haven't thought about scrying for Jewel seeds, on top of everything else.
Spart117MC
Amateur human
- Location
- Cali
Even assuming that Empty Face hypnotism would be a relative non-factor during the fight, there's still the the Oblivion goons they broke out whose whole shtick is mental magic. We just saw them inflict fear and mental debilitation at a distance and we know for a fact that their repertoire includes ranged offensive spells for blocking memories from back when Naru and the Outers ran into them at the mall.
You'd need either Usagi or Minako to counter those abilities, and for as enjoyable as it would be to inflict PTSD on the fuckers by having Moon teleport in and inflict flashbacks upon them, her more expansive healing abilities would probably be better served helping the greater mass of MCAT's defenders.
You'd need either Usagi or Minako to counter those abilities, and for as enjoyable as it would be to inflict PTSD on the fuckers by having Moon teleport in and inflict flashbacks upon them, her more expansive healing abilities would probably be better served helping the greater mass of MCAT's defenders.
- Location
- Colorado
Eh, Venus looks a lot like Moon, we can probably give them an "Oh god, there's two of them." PTSD flashback.