Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
Could be that she is attempting the impossible. Not because nothing can cut the fabric, but because it isn't actually fabric.
We know that Raising Heart was built to emulate the various magical champions of the Silver Millennium. It is thus plausible, though far from certain, that the Barrier Jacket works on the same underlying principles as the magical costumes that senshi and precures wear. If so then she will never be able to cut up and examine her costume. It isn't actually fabric, but rather an energy field pretending to be fabric. If you apply enough cutting force to overcome the durability of a piece it will dissipate back into mana, not split into smaller bit of pretending-to-be-fabric.
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Yeah, the Symphogears seem to be the most 'physical' transformation out of the horde of magical girls(given it's a plot point in canon that a broken-off shard of the armor can cause serious accidental injuries). Most of the rest probably manifest magic into clothing.
(Unfortunately I'm not versed enough in Precure to know if there's ever been battle damage on the dresses rather than the skin and hairstyle; I might've found a frayed ribbon, but I don't know if that's the Cures usual look and I'm not checking properly until I've slept.)
(Unfortunately I'm not versed enough in Precure to know if there's ever been battle damage on the dresses rather than the skin and hairstyle; I might've found a frayed ribbon, but I don't know if that's the Cures usual look and I'm not checking properly until I've slept.)
Mmm, she's getting three layer fabric.
I'm getting Layer of Exotic Matter Held In Stability By sandwiching between two containment fields. The outer material dispersing cutting, burning or piercing force across the surface, the inner absorbing kinetic, thermal and magical shock.
In which case what happens when she finally breaches it beyond a scuff mark is a sparkly explosion ala reactive armor.
I'm getting Layer of Exotic Matter Held In Stability By sandwiching between two containment fields. The outer material dispersing cutting, burning or piercing force across the surface, the inner absorbing kinetic, thermal and magical shock.
In which case what happens when she finally breaches it beyond a scuff mark is a sparkly explosion ala reactive armor.
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Which makes sense. Compared to the rest of the MGs, the Symphogear users are more or less wearing their 'devices' and support equipment with a bit of greebling/ornamentation added on based on personal taste and such (Hibiki's scarf, the skirts etc).
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The funny thing would be for her to remove the uniform, and then look down to see her body rendered in mosaic with Age Restricted written all over it like a Stock Photo watermark. Especially if she puts on other clothes and still has the mosaic overlay because said clothes aren't magical.
But that would potentially be cruel to Ericka. I don't think she'd find a dress made of pixels to be fashionable.
Also, I don't remember the Say No More sketch from Monty Python (I still haven't gotten around to watching everything of theirs), but I add my own agreement that the only Distracted by Sexy that Ericka will fall for on a regular basis is "damn, those CLOTHES!" before badgering whoever is wearing said clothes about the stitching and suchlike.
Oh no. I've just had a mildly evil thought. Ericka would be FANTASTIC friends with Elle Woods from Legally Blonde if she ever went to America for a fashion degree.
Tsubomi loses a hair-tie in the movie and her hair falls out of her ponytail for a little while, but she later gathers it up with her hands and POOF, new hairtie.
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Well, in this case Beryl's rather familiar with Pretty Cure brand "power armor for magic champions" given her old day job as Chief Shaman of the Earth Kingdom, so I'd bet on Vajra in that clash. Not much you can do when the CEO of Lockheed Martin is also building anti-aircraft missiles for the Soviets. Senshi gear is another story, I'm sure she tried to design weapons that could overcome them, but it's anyone's guess if she succeeded.
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Vehrec (and @Skelm ) are correct. In TsubomiQuest, Coupe is, oh, I'd say 55-60 years old. There is no compelling reason to think he's older in canon. The Great Heart Tree is immensely old, and is quite capable of educating its fairies with whatever it thinks they need to know.
This is why, for example, Chypre and Coffret were born (for certain values of 'born') knowing how to fly a search pattern and speak fluent Japanese with only minor tics.
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Ermis: "Hey! I'll let you know that using perception filters as clothes is a perfectly valid fashion statement and—"
Ami: "Don't look at me like that. I'm not her."
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All quite possible so far as Erika knows! Erika doesn't know much about any of this. Certainly, Erika's shoe did dissolve into something we might loosely call 'pure mana' when it got a distance away from her, and Kaoruko seems familiar with the phenomenon!
On the other hand, it could well be that there's an important reason why the 'energy fields' that make up the barrier jacket impersonate the structure of physical fabric closely enough to fool the likes of Erika. To the point where something 'made of energy' may be susceptible to recognizable sewing techniques with the right tools.
Or conjuring actual pieces of fabric that carry suitable enchantments may be a viable alternative to synthesizing force fields that so closely mimic fabric.
For that matter, the barrier jacket enchantment itself might behave a little differently in a crossover setting than it does in Nanoha's own, where I assume that if (for instance) you snip a piece of ribbon off a barrier jacket with scissors or something it DOES dissolve into pure mana, as you describe. I haven't seen that, but then, I haven't seen the entirety of Nanoha's source material, as I infer you have from the confidence with which you speak of that setting.
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Quite a number of further research actions would be needed in order for Erika to get anywhere close to working out what's really going on. Until then, plenty of hypotheses would fit the limited data.
That's entirely possible; the question is just how manifest the magic is. Angelform's theory of "this is pure energy that happens to take the shape of a specific, structured article of clothing" is reasonable given the available information (apart from the term 'pure energy' being something that has much more of an intuitive meaning than a practical one). On the other hand, Erika could literally be casting "summon frilly dress" every time she transforms and the result might well be as physical as, say, those big stone statues Shippo can apparently conjure up.
(I gather those continue to exist when he isn't concentrating on them, and so on- I could be wrong)
I'm not saying the outfits can't be damaged, but they're very resistant to it.
That's one possibility. I can think of some other reasons why there might be three-layer fabric.
Also, note that Erika knows that the inner layer is in some distinctive sense textured. It's not just a slab of flexible material or even simple woven fabric. It's got designs on it, even if she can't see them because the inner and outer layers are in the way.
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If I were running the quest on the paradigm of "semi-adult themes without adult content," that joke would indeed be amusing. That would be a valid artistic choice... which I have not taken. But I agree, the idea is amusing.
Well, she's capable of noticing that Cobraja actually is very handsome from a certain point of view- it's just that his personality is so terrible that this is immediately superseded by a desire to punch his face in.
Which is pretty much how most people feel about Cobraja.
I'm not saying I will keep that element of the costume's canonical status, but I'm also not saying I won't.
Well, you're not wrong. Though it should be noted that Beryl didn't make the Pretty Cures' equipment, at least if the oral tradition we've seen passed down through Kaoruko by way of Coupe and the Great Heart Tree is correct.
She'd be very familiar with it, of course, but she didn't invent it.
The analogy that springs to mind is if the military of a US-allied nation which has received large amounts of US military equipment starts working on secret weapons designed to beat that hardware. They didn't build the F-16, but that doesn't stop them from making a good faith effort to build a missile intended to kill one.
Seen enough of it to say:
-Completely detached elements disintegrate to loose mana after a bit
-Damage otherwise sticks like regular damaged fabric, the barrier jacket can grow threadbare and ragged with damage.
-The barrier jacket has a number of key focal points, if you break those(usually gemstones or metallic elements, but the big ribbon on her chest was the original one for Nanoha's overcoat until she replaced it with a golden breastplate) the entire segment they sustain burst into loose mana immediately.
Makes sense. Gotta hide your code so it can't be hacked.
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Well, a Pretty Cure costume may not work quite the same way as a barrier jacket, and for that matter barrier jackets themselves may work a little differently in the crossover, but we've already seen a Pretty Cure costume exhibit Trait #1, and be at least lightly scorched by sufficient damage per Trait #2.
However, the Heartcatch girls in particular seem to have a different failure mode for the costume's protection breaking down entirely.
As both Tsubomi and Erika know from their visions of Cure Moonlight's defeat at the hands of Dark Precure (see around 0:50-1:10 or so), if you beat a Heartcatch Pretty Cure up badly enough, their costume reverts back into the luminous 'foundation dress' it was originally formed from, and they lose a lot if not all of the powers they'd normally have if it was intact.
It's not clear whether any specific 'focal' part of Cure Moonlight's costume was critically damaged, and although Tsubomi and Erika don't know this for sure, OOC we can confirm that Cure Moonlight didn't really detransform as such when this happened, if only because her hair didn't revert back to Yuri Tsukikage's usual dusty-violette.
Also, in-quest this collapse to the foundation dress didn't happen to Tsubomi when she got mega-lasered by Kumojacky's scrub-brush Desertrian, though she was very much on her last legs. And I don't think it happened to Tsubomi during her first battle with Sasorina's ragdoll Desertrian that she made from Erika, unless I'm misremembering what I wrote during that battle.
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There's a story somewhere in the Missies tapping Elle in a case against a skeptical LAPD, in which she establishes precedent that reverting people who have been transformed into demons is more like CPR than vigilantism.
Yeah, Beryl doesn't have any introduced vulnerabilities to take advantage of here, and as far as I'm aware the Shitennou weapons were very good examples of conventional weapons design instead of some new thing. So just like "the Precure designers knew about that kind of weapon" isn't the whole picture, neither is "Beryl knew about Precure defenses." Everyone knew everything, and it should come down to the balance of offense vs defense and the side effects of the specific ways that each thing is meant to counter the other.
Something that the TSAB might be genuinely surprised to learn, like someone found a bunch of ancient depictions of helicopters but ended up designing a gyrocopter instead.
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One funny thought that this sidestory brings to mind is that, to Erika's eye, the cuffs are hand-stitched, but by whose hand? Did Kore and Selene need to sit down and hand-stitch thousands of future precure outfits, or did they just make the prototypes? Or is all magical clothing 'hand made' by the ultimate end user?
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It could be that in that last case, the reason it looks like it, is because Erika knows her stuff and thus the outfit was sewn to her level of ability, whereas, say, Tsubomi (Or anyone without said knowledge) might have really amateur stitchwork that should have no reason to hold as well as it does.
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Given the mention of texturing to the inner layer, I would assume that's where the various enchantments that sustain the protection effects and so forth are embroidered, with the outer layer mostly there to protect those enchantments against physical or magical disruption.
The fact that the clothing fits suggests that the clothing isn't just pulled out of storage. At minimum it would need to be resized and adjusted for each precure and updated as they age or bulk up.
If there is a physical copy somewhere I suspect it serves as a template. Something to point a spell at to create 'this outfit, but fitted to this person and with these enchantments'.
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I am actually excited for Erika to learn how the magic clothes work 
Will be super cool
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Clothes!SCIENCE! Excellent.
Hmm, my theory is an inner and outer layer with some "basic" (well, basic by Silver Millennium standards) durability enchantments and then the middle layer is just stitched full of runework that handles the bulk of the outfits protective suite; the bumps of the runes giving it the texture Eirika felt.
Hmm, my theory is an inner and outer layer with some "basic" (well, basic by Silver Millennium standards) durability enchantments and then the middle layer is just stitched full of runework that handles the bulk of the outfits protective suite; the bumps of the runes giving it the texture Eirika felt.
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Right there is also something else that I have been working on that needs a few rolls while I finish hammering out the combat for the battle with Onogoro ahead -
I need a:
1d10 + 27 for Tuxedo
1d10 + 17 for Missy Moon
1d10 + 15 for Missy Vee
1d10 + 14 for Missy Mercury
1d10 + 13 for Missy Mars
1d10 + 14 for Missy Jupiter
1d10 + 15 for Ranger Series Red
1d10 + 14 for Ranger Series Green
I need a:
1d10 + 27 for Tuxedo
1d10 + 17 for Missy Moon
1d10 + 15 for Missy Vee
1d10 + 14 for Missy Mercury
1d10 + 13 for Missy Mars
1d10 + 14 for Missy Jupiter
1d10 + 15 for Ranger Series Red
1d10 + 14 for Ranger Series Green