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Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)

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Well, we did already know that a lot of it is more-or-less directly Usagi's fault...

All that rampant teleporting everywhere and such probably isn't helping either...

And it doesn't look likely that the rate at which she dumps mana into the world is going to be decreasing anytime soon. More likely the opposite.

Grand Cosmic Deity of Magic is back, folks. Time for another Millenium.
 
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I think it's pretty clear that Onogoro has some superhuman mages, but my guess is that the higher levels of that require both dedicated training and luck, on top of a magically enriched environment, just as the highest levels of non-magical athletics requires both hard work and good luck.

Onogoro also probably isn't Awakening people from birth. Typical modern Awakening rituals are much worse than Lunar Rainbow Burst, both in terms of time taken, and also probably in terms of how unpleasant it is to go through. I doubt they would try to make a 2 year old sit through that.
 
ShiftingSandLand said:
...You know what?

My theory is that Awakened generally are better off overall. Better health, longer lives, better condition overall...

But!

In Onogoro's case, they got Complacent.

Many of them simply haven't put in the effort to keep to the level of what will eventually be post-Awakening.

We have soldiers, teens, and even kids putting in as much work as before if not more, and getting way more results.

But many Onogoro simply weren't putting in that much effort, because less effort was needed to get the results they wanted, so beyond some standouts, they won't have the advantages they could have over the newly awakened.

They're gonna be outstripped in short order, and they won't have the time to properly catch up years down the line because Onogoro isn't going to be a thing by Usagi's next birthday.
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Not even that really. It's not even that they got Complacent, it was just a lack of need to do so. you live a decent life, you don't kneed to have exceptional strenght, high stanima, or to be able to run very very fast. yes, it's nice, but for the average person It's not needed.
So they display the same level of fitness a normal non-magical person. except they have to put in a fraction of the effort to maintain that level, mostly meaning they sleep a little bit less and eat noticably smaller meals.

This will likely be the same situation with the awakened population in a generation or two. The ones awakening now in their teens still have their fitness habits from when they were not awakened. they have learned through life how to keep their bodies fit without magic. so the boost from magic just adds to their efforts. The really young kids growing up with magic likely won't display these unusual levels, because they will have learned how to live while haveing magic effecently.

Liquids flows to fill the lowest possible stable point. The Stable point of fitness is the same for both awaken and unawakened is the exact same, just that the slope beyond the stable point is much steeper for the unawakened and takes a lot more work for them to climb.
 
For all y'all talking about Onogoro getting complacent, you do remember that their samurai actually hurt a Senshi at the Night Market, right?
 
Skelm said:
I think it's pretty clear that Onogoro has some superhuman mages, but my guess is that the higher levels of that require both dedicated training and luck, on top of a magically enriched environment, just as the highest levels of non-magical athletics requires both hard work and good luck.

Onogoro also probably isn't Awakening people from birth. Typical modern Awakening rituals are much worse than Lunar Rainbow Burst, both in terms of time taken, and also probably in terms of how unpleasant it is to go through. I doubt they would try to make a 2 year old sit through that.
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It's also noteworthy that there have been low- to mid-tier ki martial artists around, so far as we can determine, the whole time, clear back through the dawn of human history. Even the Europeans seem to be or have been in on the game (they call it 'anima').

So while the world may on some level tacitly have been in denial about the existence of people capable of superhuman feats, that's always been a thing, and continued to be a thing post-Fade. And human beings don't actually require high ambient mana in order to attain performance that we'd call "superhuman" compared to our mundane baseline, even if the knowledge or aptitude for doing so is rare.
 
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jwolfe_beta said:
Miku scoffed. "You'd be a horrible magical girl. You'd be demanding bicycle shorts to wear underneath your fuku and would end up breaking the heels off your shoes whenever you fought the monsters. Not a drop of elegance or grace to be seen."
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I know that they might not become Symphogear users like in canon but pleeease, I love both of them so much.

They're adorable together.
 
Lunaryon said:
Ivan The Eternal Tsar: *idly reading over a recently published paper* So, it seems that in the last few weeks, the average PPB of Mana in the atmosphere has increased by somewhere between 400% and 425%, depending on where inside of Russia's borders you are. Out in Saint Petersberg, it is just 400%, but near the Sakhalin Oblast, it is peaking at 421-425%. Theoretically, it is somewhere in Brazil where the effect is going to be the weakest, but even with all of that, it seems very likely that by the time that the effect reaches homeostasis in the air, the total amount of magic in the air will still have reached over twice as much as it has before. And that's if there aren't any more situations like the Hiccup. Or things like the remaining gods deciding to start moving about and spreading their own influence.

Even then, the increasing number of spells being cast in the open by forces such as these Pretty Cure, and the Phantom Empire, and Dark Kingdom... All of them are continuing to pour cups of water into the ocean. Not enough for any one of them to show things off... But if someone were to do something insane like bring someone back from the dead fully... But, well... Even two dozen mages trying that could only partially bring him back, and that cost nearly all of them their lives. But something like that would pour even more magic into the atmosphere. Already members of the Golden Library are noticing differences in their physiology due to the increased magic surrounding them. Who knows how this will result in time.
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That's not quite answering my question, but I get that probably no-one in-setting can answer it right now, with the possible exception of a) frozen Silver-Millenium-era physicians and b) people with direct knowledge of the future.
 
The topic of Martial Artists is a little unwieldy to use as an example because our primary point of evidence is Ranma 1/2, and there is explicitly a significant amount of magic in that setting. People like Kuno and Akane who have lived in mundane suburbia are evidently weaker than other characters; whereas most of the strongest characters are either a) wanderers who have been exposed to powerful magics like Jusenkyo or b) Amazons who live nearby multiple sources of magic and keep powerful niche artifacts as tchotchkes.
It takes no changes to the setting to conclude magic exposure might account for some of the weird martial arts BS.
 
Weaker doesn't necessarily mean weak, though. IIRC, early series Kuno can crack a stone statue from several feet away just with the air displaced from him thrusting an ordinary wooden sword. And I think one of the OVAs is about the destruction a sleep waking Akane causes while in an enchanted sleep.
 
StarSingerBlue said:
I know that they might not become Symphogear users like in canon but pleeease, I love both of them so much.

They're adorable together.
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What are you talking about, they're just really good friends the same as those two cousins in the Sailor Sensei. There is absolutely no subtext between them whatsoever.:V

As for them becoming Symphogear users, Lunaryon has not given any hints whatsoever that I've seen so we're just going to have to wait and see.
 
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frozenchicken said:
The topic of Martial Artists is a little unwieldy to use as an example because our primary point of evidence is Ranma 1/2, and there is explicitly a significant amount of magic in that setting. People like Kuno and Akane who have lived in mundane suburbia are evidently weaker than other characters; whereas most of the strongest characters are either a) wanderers who have been exposed to powerful magics like Jusenkyo or b) Amazons who live nearby multiple sources of magic and keep powerful niche artifacts as tchotchkes.
It takes no changes to the setting to conclude magic exposure might account for some of the weird martial arts BS.
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I'm not saying magic exposure doesn't make you stronger, I'm saying that you can train ki in a very mundane environment and still gain physical superpowers fully competitive with what typical mages get just passively from having magic in their anatomy and metabolism.

I doubt that the average Silver Millennium human being who just walked around doing normal stuff and made no special effort to give themselves a workout or learn combat magics or anything was stronger than, say, Akane.

Bel said:
It's more the insane dedication needed in this environment yo get to the NWC levels.
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Quite true, though the Nerima Wrecking Crew are also major success stories.

The reason I originally brought this up is that because this is a world where there exist dedicated forms of training that do in fact give you superpowers, the Masquerade almost certainly includes some degree of people just rationalizing that. We fundamentally accept that yes, if you train hard you can karate chop your way through a plank. Even though it seems implausible at first glance, well, the facts speak for themselves.

It may well be received wisdom in this setting, even with the Masquerade in place, that some weirdos can dead-lift a compact car or shrug off being beaten with baseball bats or something, just because that's empirically true and you don't even have to be a fully conscious ki user to get there. The limits of what a 'merely athletic' person can do may well outpace what an athletic person without actual ki manipulation but with spellcasting ability passively gets from their mana.

The more blatantly magical stuff like elemental manipulating ki techniques is probably kept hushed and not discussed, under Masquerade. But the physical side, or at least some of it, is probably too common to fully suppress.
 
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I'd hazard a guess that magic makes more magic. Especially if you're using something as cheap or cost positive as martial arts.

So the martial artist would be eating comically absurd amounts but they would be generating their own magic via the food to mana route, and using it up internally constantly .
 
Simon_Jester said:
I'm not saying magic exposure doesn't make you stronger, I'm saying that you can train ki in a very mundane environment and still gain physical superpowers fully competitive with what typical mages get just passively from having magic in their anatomy and metabolism.

I doubt that the average Silver Millennium human being who just walked around doing normal stuff and made no special effort to give themselves a workout or learn combat magics or anything was stronger than, say, Akane.

Quite true, though the Nerima Wrecking Crew are also major success stories.

The reason I originally brought this up is that because this is a world where there exist dedicated forms of training that do in fact give you superpowers, the Masquerade almost certainly includes some degree of people just rationalizing that. We fundamentally accept that yes, if you train hard you can karate chop your way through a plank. Even though it seems implausible at first glance, well, the facts speak for themselves.

It may well be received wisdom in this setting, even with the Masquerade in place, that some weirdos can dead-lift a compact car or shrug off being beaten with baseball bats or something, just because that's empirically true and you don't even have to be a fully conscious ki user to get there. The limits of what a 'merely athletic' person can do may well outpace what an athletic person without actual ki manipulation but with spellcasting ability passively gets from their mana.

The more blatantly magical stuff like elemental manipulating ki techniques is probably kept hushed and not discussed, under Masquerade. But the physical side, or at least some of it, is probably too common to fully suppress.
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Yeah, pretty much, though with that being said...
I mean, in the Ranma 1/2 setting the Shi Shi Hakoden ki blast technique was a mining technique. Think about that for a second. Either its a throwback from before the Fade where the 'average' person had a lot better control and access to ki, or its one of the incredibly job-specific forms of martial arts that exist in Ranma 1/2, and its only the insane specilisation that allows a bog standard normal person to reach the superhuman levels of physical ability and then full external ki manipulation that the stronger members of the NWC have. Like even amongst the NWC who are all major powerhouses themselves, there is a clear difference between some of them (Akane, Ukyo, perhaps Kuno) and Ranma, Ryouga and to a degree Shampoo.

Some of this is possibly breeding/environment (Shampoo grew up in the Valley of Jusenkyo), but to get to the very top it seems more and more insane dedication and training is needed.

As for the Masquerade, it seems to be a bit bi-directional in the case of the top end Martial artists in Nerima and the magic users that we have run across...though Ranma also does have a few instances of mail ordered magical incrediants (Gosunkugi used them a few times).
 
Torgamous said:
Might be the same guy we bought Vajra from.
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I also imagine that with as many families with "non-traditional family styles" as live in Nerima, it may have also attracted its own share of shady "pawn shops" and second hand book stores with back rooms with all the tomes they keep off of the "public" shelves you only get into if you know a guy who knows a guy.
 
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jwolfe_beta said:
Lunaryon confirmed that activating somebody's Core really improves their overall health
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Nothing in the world is free, so my immediate thought turns to possible downsides.

First is Awakened bacteria and viruses, Awakened people still get sick, they just better faster. So eventually a virus cell will mutate to take advantage of all the extra floating energy in that persons body. It probably happens already, but without people normally having magic it either does nothing or gets pruned out fighting against other cells while starving.

Second thought is people who have optimized genetics for lack of magic. Depending on the optimization in question, having the pipes suddenly turned on and flooded with magic could break all sorts of things.

Third is more societal. We see the effect of accidental magic in line with your element. What happens when a yakuza has an element like Charm, Secrets, or Contract?
 
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