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Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)

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WallFlower said:
Jadeite is living with Endymion, because Jadeite wanted to be Endyminion's prisoner instead of ours. Their daughter is the only one who's living with them because we asked them to.

I'm still head cannoning it that both polycules were common among royalty in our solarsystem, you won't be able to take away my Jadeite/Endymion ship until quest cannon explicitly sinks it😤
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Critical support for Jadymion.
It's a very good pairing in my opinion.
 
TerrisH said:
And it's not like it hasn't happened before. Usagi's past life Princess Serenity was quite similar to her mother Queen Serenity, almost a clone, besides she's having blond and the Queen having silver.

Huh. This line of thought would also fit nicely with the fact that the Silver Crystal is bound to Queen Serenity's, Usagi's, and Chibi-Usagi's/Mini's soul.
Self-replication of the line to maintain a series of Ideal vessels for the silver crystal. Usagi's Current life and mother would be the only anomaly, but given how the re-incarnation spell did this to millions of other at the same time, it's simple magic B***S***.
Nor would it preclude Usagi having other children if she wanted, just insure there can only be one Heir.
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The canonical support for this is better than the quest-canonical support, because in the quest, it's not at all clear that our version of the elder ruler of the Silver Millennium, Queen Selene, was a Silver Crystal avatar to begin with, the way her daughter was.

StarSingerBlue said:
I really don't know what I was expecting.

This is SV, trying to find MLM pairings is like digging a hole at the beach and hoping you hit a treasure chest buried three centuries earlier.
Sure, you might find it, but it isn't likely.
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Jadeite/Endymion is a reasonable pairing within the context of the story, but it's a bit speculative and the superficially obvious evidence for it is a result of situations forced on the two by outside circumstance.

So this is a plausible pairing, it's just a pairing we are watching potentially unfold in excruciating slow motion.

Also, this particular story suffers from such a dearth of major male characters that it's an even worse place than usual to go looking for MLM content. There just aren't that many M's around to L.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Also, this particular story suffers from such a dearth of major male characters that it's an even worse place than usual to go looking for MLM content. There just aren't that many M's around to L.
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If only some of CLAMP had been included.
I would really like to see people's reaction to Seishirou and Subaru's terminally messed-up relationship.

Oh well, I can always reread Leareth's fanfiction.
 
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While I don't particulary care whether Endymion and Jadeite are dating, I don't think that they are at this moment. I mean, is Endymion even over his ex yet?
 
TerrisH said:
Usagi's past life Princess Serenity was quite similar to her mother Queen Serenity, almost a clone, besides she's having blond and the Queen having silver.
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Princess Serenity had silver hair like Queen Selene.

Her hair only became blonde when she was reincarnated into an age where people thought silver hair was only for old people.
 
Bakkasama said:
While I don't particulary care whether Endymion and Jadeite are dating, I don't think that they are at this moment. I mean, is Endymion even over his ex yet?
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I mean, on one hand he's been awake for more than a decade, that's enough time to grieve and move on. But on the other hand it's only been like, two months since he meet Usagi and confirmed that Serenity's reincarnation, unlike him, is her own separate person, no matter how similar the two are in some ways. So that's probably still fresh is his mind.
 
Bakkasama said:
While I don't particulary care whether Endymion and Jadeite are dating, I don't think that they are at this moment. I mean, is Endymion even over his ex yet?
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Same here, I think they are currently too complicated emotionally to go for a relationship without generating problems down the line, especially with mind control, amnesia, death and betrayal between them.

Maybe work through some of those and finish the brain scrubbing first.
 
Torgamous said:
He's had over a decade to come to terms with her death, and he seems pretty accepting of Usagi not being his princess returned, so I'm gonna say yes.
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Well, it's good to see he's not Anakin Skywalker, who was clinging onto the idea of bringing back his dead wife (who died at least partly by his own hands, no less) to an absurdly unhealthy degree for over twenty years.
 
RadiantPhoenix said:
Well, it's good to see he's not Anakin Skywalker, who was clinging onto the idea of bringing back his dead wife (who died at least partly by his own hands, no less) to an absurdly unhealthy degree for over twenty years.
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No he wasn't. Rewatch the original Trilogy, Darth Vader never once indicated he was trying to bring his wife back. Sure he was basically depressed over her death, but he never tried to bring her back.
 
Rgal said:
Unfortunately, my knowledge of Final Fantasy is only barely good enough to recognise this kwehstion has something to do with Final Fantasy. It's not nearly enough to understand the joke 😔
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Kweh and wark are sounds the Chocobo make. Wulti-Level Warketing, of course, also includes "wark," which is something FFXV did in a number of places. For the most obvious/often-seen example, the pop-up for your Chocobo leveling up will say "Conkwehtulations!" instead of congratulations. Prompto, one of the player's party members (who is a bit obsessed with the big birdie mounts) will make similar jokes.

Shador said:
I mean, on one hand he's been awake for more than a decade, that's enough time to grieve and move on. But on the other hand it's only been like, two months since he meet Usagi and confirmed that Serenity's reincarnation, unlike him, is her own separate person, no matter how similar the two are in some ways. So that's probably still fresh is his mind.
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Torgamous said:
He's had over a decade to come to terms with her death, and he seems pretty accepting of Usagi not being his princess returned, so I'm gonna say yes.
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I shall act as the line toe-er and say that he likely grieved, then spent at least part of that decade+ searching for signs of his love reincarnating, and finally let go of that hope once he met Usagi.

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd given up as far back as the prologue, where he met us at Osa-P. Our later meeting was just him getting confirmation.


I can almost imagine the sadness and pride that the EndyQuesters felt after Terraryon let them know that Serenity's Reincarnation roll was "botched"—ie, the reincarnation was close enough to "nearly perfect" that there was little hope for that love to be rekindled, and the Questers began flagellating themselves for failing to prevent the Fall.

God, these sappy, romantic dorks~ I'm one of them
 
SuperBigMac said:
Kweh and wark are sounds the Chocobo make. Wulti-Level Warketing, of course, also includes "wark," which is something FFXV did in a number of places. For the most obvious/often-seen example, the pop-up for your Chocobo leveling up will say "Conkwehtulations!" instead of congratulations. Prompto, one of the player's party members (who is a bit obsessed with the big birdie mounts) will make similar jokes.




I shall act as the line toe-er and say that he likely grieved, then spent at least part of that decade+ searching for signs of his love reincarnating, and finally let go of that hope once he met Usagi.

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd given up as far back as the prologue, where he met us at Osa-P. Our later meeting was just him getting confirmation.


I can almost imagine the sadness and pride that the EndyQuesters felt after Terraryon let them know that Serenity's Reincarnation roll was "botched"—ie, the reincarnation was close enough to "nearly perfect" that there was little hope for that love to be rekindled, and the Questers began flagellating themselves for failing to prevent the Fall.

God, these sappy, romantic dorks~ I'm one of them
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I wonder why EndyQuesters began working with the Precure though? Was that part of their search for Serenity's reincarnation?
 
catDreaming said:
I wonder why EndyQuesters began working with the Precure though? Was that part of their search for Serenity's reincarnation?
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Given that he was looking for the Moon Princess, and the Fairy Realms were all (or almost all) Silver Millennium Protectorates, I'd say helping the Cures would have been a fairly valid tactic in trying to find Serenity, aye. It worked, after all.
 
Well, if the case of a theoretical Endyquest, he would have been working with the Precure back before the Fall, and after seeing the great rainbow lesbeam he would have started searching for the new generation of Cures connected to the Garden of Light in order to help them.
 
Mini was instructed to kabonk anyone who ask who is her Papa... but does she have instructions about people who asks who her Big Mama is?
 
RadiantPhoenix said:
Princess Serenity had silver hair like Queen Selene.

Her hair only became blonde when she was reincarnated into an age where people thought silver hair was only for old people.
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Though for all we know, hell, maybe her hair was blonde when she was fourteen and it's just that almost all the pictures we have of her being "not a literal infant" are from when she was, say, 100, and she turned healthy-natural-silver somewhere in there.

Wild speculation on my part, of course. But it's worth remembering when we're extrapolating from small datasets or limited amounts of actual footage.

Torgamous said:
He's had over a decade to come to terms with her death, and he seems pretty accepting of Usagi not being his princess returned, so I'm gonna say yes.
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Yes-to-maybe.

They were together for decades.

And we've been inside his head and it still hurts a bit when Usagi reminds him of Serenity. And others are not wrong to note that until a couple of months ago, Endymion had every reason to at least hold on to the fantasy that Serenity was like him and that they could just... resume being together in their new lives.

And, hell, it's not entirely out of the question that some day we may find a way to make Serenity a body of her own and that can even happen. But it's not going to happen for him now and he had no way of ruling that out until... well, probably until fairly recently.

I can't begrudge the man the right to have held onto dreams along those lines.

So while he's had many years to get used to Serenity not being around, he's only had a fairly short time in which to get used to the idea that he probably won't be reunited with her.

veekie said:
Same here, I think they are currently too complicated emotionally to go for a relationship without generating problems down the line, especially with mind control, amnesia, death and betrayal between them.

Maybe work through some of those and finish the brain scrubbing first.
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In fairness, they seem to be working through that pretty well.

I think Endymion in particular is just so happy to have at least one person who knows and remembers him that he's prepared to take Jadeite's about-face and efforts to purge himself of mind control at face value.

Elder Haman said:
Gendo Ikari would be a better choice of comparison for a man trying to bring back his dead wife.
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I mean, hell. Endymion wouldn't even be unreasonable in hoping to accomplish that. Serenity's soul is, just as a matter of objective fact, still around in a reasonably complete form. She's currently crashing on Usagi's metaphysical couch, but in the fullness of time and high magic we might find another place to put her.

Her real physical body is even around, just, y'know, dead and badly damaged, but we can repair bodies. That might be an option. Or if that's not an option (fairly likely), then well, Naru can do wacky body-remaking operations. So maybe making a living body for a ghost isn't outside her capability. And there are other weird and esoteric things out there.

And unlike Yui Ikari, I think Serenity would actually welcome a chance to come back, because Endymion is a hell of a lot more to come back to than Gendo ever was.

"Bodily resurrection for Serenity" is maybe a stretch goal for the quest as a whole, but it's not at all outlandish or unreasonable compared to the scope of what we have good reason to think is possible.

So again, I don't think Endymion would even be that unreasonable to still be hoping to bring Serenity back, probably not any time in the next few months but maybe within just the next few years, which is like no time at all to him.

It's just that it'd be a pretty delicate conversation to have with Usagi, and he doesn't know her that well yet on some level. We hardly ever hang out or anything.

catDreaming said:
I wonder why EndyQuesters began working with the Precure though? Was that part of their search for Serenity's reincarnation?
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Lunaryon said:
Well, if the case of a theoretical Endyquest, he would have been working with the Precure back before the Fall, and after seeing the great rainbow lesbeam he would have started searching for the new generation of Cures connected to the Garden of Light in order to help them.
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Of course, by that point he'd already found us, since as I recall the first instance of the rainbow beam was after the first time he bailed Sailor Moon out of a jam.

But more generally, whether he was hoping to find/awaken/bring back Serenity or not, it wouldn't do him much good to accomplish that if the Dark Kingdom succeeded in destroying the world.

He'd have several reasons to be tracking down any Pretty Cures he could find, in the absence of relatively powerful and active Senshi to lean on:

1) If these new Pretty Cures are dealing with problems of their own, him helping them makes it more likely that the world as a whole doesn't die.
2) If he can get an in with new Pretty Cures, he may be able to hijack their MacGuffin to somehow unleash forces beyond his normal means, aimed at weakening the Dark Kingdom (this was an actual plan of his involving the Rainbow Gems of Futari Wa).
3) If these new Pretty Cures are actually doing pretty well and are sound and strong, he can recruit them to help fight the Dark Kingdom if they don't have anything better to do.
 
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I'm pretty sure Usagi's soul and Serenity's soul are the same soul... The only reason we are of two minds separated by the waking and the dream is because of the potency of that soul's power and Silver Crystal shenanigans as a result of the spell Selene cast to send us all forward, but I think I'm kinda repeating myself by saying that.

Edit: To separate Serenity from us would be to find a way to shear off the part of our soul that is her. I'm most definitely against damaging ourselves in such a way, even if we don't have to commit murder to do so, least of which because I suspect the part of our soul that is Serenity and the part which is Usagi are fairly intertwined, possibly even to the point of being the "same" parts, and would not separate "cleanly".

If we want to give the presence that is Serenity's mind a body of its own, we would likely need to find some way to astraly project her and have her either manifest into some other form or possess either an android or homunculus, while keeping Usagi's body conscious. One soul of two minds becomes one soul of two minds and two bodies, but still intrinsically linked such that what happens to one affects the other.
 
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Almech_Alfarion said:
I'm pretty sure Usagi's soul and Serenity's soul are the same soul... The only reason we are of two minds separated by the waking and the dream is because of the potency of that soul's power and Silver Crystal shenanigans as a result of the spell Selene cast to send us all forward, but I think I'm kinda repeating myself by saying that.

Edit: To separate Serenity from us would be to find a way to shear off the part of our soul that is her. I'm most definitely against damaging ourselves in such a way, even if we don't have to commit murder to do so, least of which because I suspect the part of our soul that is Serenity and the part which is Usagi are fairly intertwined, possibly even to the point of being the "same" parts, and would not separate "cleanly".

If we want to give the presence that is Serenity's mind a body of its own, we would likely need to find some way to astraly project her and have her either manifest into some other form or possess either an android or homunculus, while keeping Usagi's body conscious. One soul of two minds becomes one soul of two minds and two bodies, but still intrinsically linked such that what happens to one affects the other.
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I mean, maybe. I dunno.

But the point is, this isn't the kind of thing that anyone (including us players) can dismiss as obviously hopeless until a lot of effort has been put into figuring out the feasibility.

I wouldn't consider it completely unreasonable for Endymion to be holding out hope.
 
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