- Location
- Phillips County, Colorado
"You can come with me, or I can eat you. Choose quickly."
"I'll go with option A, thank you."
Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]
- Thread starter ensou
- Start date
- Crossover
"I'll go with option A, thank you."
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
You know honestly Tattletale being dead would have been more believable if rather than being vaporized there was a charred unrecognizable body in the cell.
Frescopino
(Verified Air Freshener)
- Location
- The Pit of Hate
The only Ward Taylor is close to is Vista, and I think they know each other in civvies but I can't remember precisely.
- Location
- Australia
Taylor did pull out her spine for Vista. It was very romantic.
- Location
- Existance
No.
It'd give him the most satisfaction, I feel. Either from the PoV of using her to find the others, or taking her as payment for what was stolen. Thinkers are worth holding on to if you can.
Frescopino
(Verified Air Freshener)
- Location
- The Pit of Hate
Caaaaaan you feeeeeeeel the looooove toniiiight!
Akuma-Heika
The Devil Exists Within
- Location
- United States
FTFY
Her screaming does provide some weight that something happened though, and she wouldn't have a way of second triggering powers that could let her survive 3rd to 6th degree burns over the majority of her body. With the setting, I would agree with you if she wasn't screaming in apparently agonizing pain. Still possible that she is alive though, so I am curious about how things go, and the explanations involved.
- Pronouns
- Yes
Other way around. The fact that someone/something was screaming very loudly is an indication that she didn't die, because if she survived long enough to scream, much less able to scream loudly than either somone decided AFTER she died to stick around and burn the body away entirely, using much hotter fire than was used to kill her...or the obvious explanation is wrong.
Vicjer
The One Who Knows Less Than Nothing
- Location
- The Space Between Spaces
They don't know each others civvies, but Vista has seen Taylor without her armour. Granted, she shapeshifted herself to look something like Weld at the time, so that's not really a big help.
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- Existance
Vista - "If only I had access to spinal records I could identify her for us."
Everyone else - "The fuck?"
Akuma-Heika
The Devil Exists Within
- Location
- United States
If Lung was doing it for revenge/sending a message, then instant kill wouldn't be used. A person with 50%+ 3rd degree burns is practically guaranteed to die, even with access to 1st rate medicine, but it wouldn't be instant. If Lung gave her 5th or 6th degree burns over half her body, then she would need Panacea to survive, and even that might not be enough, since she wouldn't have any excess biomass to convert. At minimum, she would be losing her limbs for the healing.
It is possible she is alive, but only if Lung decided to leave her alive and has enough knowledge and experience to determine what she can survive. I really cannot see Lung purposely leaving her alive though...
- Pronouns
- Yes
You're missing the point of the discussion. If she survived long enough to scream, especially the way Triumph described it then even if she's dead the fire that killed her was unrelated to the reason they didn't find a body. Given that, the most likely explanation is that Lung didn't decide to waste time attacking her and someone set it up to look as if he did.
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- Location
- Russia
If Lung actually tried to burn her down to nothing, she'd have immediately stopped screaming because her vocal cords and lungs (no pun intended) would be gone in the first few seconds, since screaming requires an open mouth and Lung is pouring fire all over her.
- Location
- Knockknock, Dr
The degree of burn has to do with layers of skin. There is only 3 layers to human skin. Therefore there is no such thing as greater than 3rd degree burn.
I could believe that it is like the Mach, a simple misconception. The speed of sound has to do with the material you are moving through not just the objects speed.
Guardsman_Sparky
The Clueless Wonder
- Location
- Virginia
Not to mention oxygen. You can't scream if all the oxygen in your lungs has burnt away or been sucked out.
I've actually heard about 4th degree burns, and it was basically described as the skin is gone with damage to the flesh beneath. Extrapolating from there, a fifth degree burn would be down to exposed bone, with the sixth degree having the bone burnt completely away.
All the same, I'm pretty sure it's not an official designator, but a casual quickhand description, or as you said, a misconception.
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- Existance
Is anyone else looking at this "Tattletale is/isn't dead!" conversation and imagining Ensou scrolling through the comments thinking "Oh god, I just wanted to kill Lisa off quickly so I wouldn't have to worry about her, but now everyone's picking out reasons why she has to be alive!"
Because I find the thought vaguely funny. Sorry Ensou.
Because I find the thought vaguely funny. Sorry Ensou.
Frescopino
(Verified Air Freshener)
- Location
- The Pit of Hate
Well, I will just mention that it is canon that Lung wanted to kill the Undersiders. Not burn, not torture, just "shoot them if they aren't down, shoot them if they are, and shoot them again for good measure."
ensou
Magical G̶i̶r̶l̶ Servant Mordred-chan
- Location
- NEW YORK CITY!??
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Actually, I'm more amused at both how cold some speculations are and how close others are.Is anyone else looking at this "Tattletale is/isn't dead!" conversation and imagining Ensou scrolling through the comments thinking "Oh god, I just wanted to kill Lisa off quickly so I wouldn't have to worry about her, but now everyone's picking out reasons why she has to be alive!"
Because I find the thought vaguely funny. Sorry Ensou.
I will say that nothing in Triumph's report was intentionally wrong, nor were the events reported falsified or faked some way, so take that as you will. :P
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- Existance
I understand.
It was the Illuminati. Got it.
Mote seriously, doesn't that mean Lisa is dead? Because if nothing was faked, then she had to have been legitimately screaming and burning so... That doesn't lead to good things.
Czlyydwr Llrngwl
"Sell ya a door Learn gull," Czly/Celly for short
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- Where the Beef is
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- Any
Authors reading audience comments and mining them for refinements on their ideas and/or taking them as a sign that the incoming twist is either too predictable or too implausible is a thing with a long and honorable history. When you get right down to it, it's the purpose of having discussion threads in a forum like this at all.Is anyone else looking at this "Tattletale is/isn't dead!" conversation and imagining Ensou scrolling through the comments thinking "Oh god, I just wanted to kill Lisa off quickly so I wouldn't have to worry about her, but now everyone's picking out reasons why she has to be alive!"
Because I find the thought vaguely funny. Sorry Ensou.
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Frescopino
(Verified Air Freshener)
- Location
- The Pit of Hate
Or she was just screaming and not burning. That is an option. Quickly researching, if Lung used the kind of flames that turn a whole human to ashes then they're looking at some SERIOUS damage, and unless he kept up a temperature of around 2000°C for an entire hour and then sat there to grind what bones were left into dust just to not leave a body I doubt things went as the heroes think they went.
Bones are tough to burn, apparently. Like, veey tough. If they found a skeleton or a charred corpse there I'd believe it, but... A complete absence of corpse? You can't hide the truth from me!
Dons the Tinfoil Hat™
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- Existance
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The 'events reported' were that Lisa was burnt alive and screamed to death. Those events, by WoG, we're not falsified or faked, therefore she burned alive and screamed to death.
All we don't know is what happened to the body afterwards.
Unless Ensou is misleading us, in which case it's all irrelevant anyway.
Frescopino
(Verified Air Freshener)
- Location
- The Pit of Hate
The events reported are that Lung escaped, she screamed, and that no body was found. WoG said that no one intentionally lied, not that what they said was reality.
Edit: ontentionalli. I am now just going to catalogue all the words my auto correct thinks are right.
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Guardsman_Sparky
The Clueless Wonder
- Location
- Virginia
Hmm...but how would Coil get a Lisa-echidna-clone into the cell and extract Lisa without being caught?
Czlyydwr Llrngwl
"Sell ya a door Learn gull," Czly/Celly for short
- Location
- Where the Beef is
- Pronouns
- Any
That's not quite my reading of that comment - it's more that as far as Triumph knows, what he told the Wards was accurate, and it's not a PRT or Coil or Cauldron fake-up to let Tattletale disappear and be placed somewhere else.