Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[ ] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.
Ah, the potion paradox, the "I might need it later" refrain, the DM/QM asking "Are you sure?" to give you a out form the hole...

To hold back and lose when you could have broke through and won if you gone all out.
[ ] I would wield it to encourage glory-seeking, to make them willing to sacrifice what they should not for their dreams.
The taunt, the dare, the challenge. To bait them with their greed.
Because surely, it worked before, so why would it not?

Both are great. But an ace in the sleeve not used is better than an ace used bad or at all, imo.

[X] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.
 
[X] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.

This feels like it fits better with our combat style.
 
... something that suddenly affects my conviction to go for 1 is the fact that 2 would enable Qiyi to ramp up the Villain Aesthetics to Maximum. Heck I just bet that it'd be a buff too, since Power is the Concept we picked for her to focus on.
 
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... something that suddenly affects my conviction to go for 1 is the fact that 2 would enable Qiyi to ramp up the Villain Aesthetics to Maximum. Heck I just bet that it'd be a buff too, since Power is the Concept we picked for her to focus on.
We can still use that aesthetic. Once we've won, we can mock them for underestimating us and not going all out while in the full villain look.
 
[X] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.
 
[X] I would wield it to encourage glory-seeking, to make them willing to sacrifice what they should not for their dreams.

Only because the enemy going all out would be a more entertaining fight for me to read than opponents holding onto all their cards and being overly passive. Unless I'm misunderstanding to what type of exchanges option 1 would lead.
 
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[ ] I would wield it to encourage glory-seeking, to make them willing to sacrifice what they should not for their dreams.

Only because the enemy going all out would be a more entertaining fight for me to read than opponents holding onto all their cards and being overly passive. Unless I'm misunderstanding to what type of exchanges option 1 would lead.
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[X] I would wield it to encourage glory-seeking, to make them willing to sacrifice what they should not for their dreams.

I like the idea of little Ith using so many small sacrifices that when the commanders go for a big one, it's so much less powerful because there's not enough left to make an impact.

On a larger scale, encouraging glory-seeking on the battlefield to the individual troops would eventually necessitate more caution in the commanders as they pivot to regain control and consensus with their troops.
Schism!
 
Hmm, there's a lot of ways to analyze this choice. Though you might not know it, looking at the thread right now. There's also something of an... interpretive double standard going on? The general takeaway is that one instills defense and the other offense, and that's understandable, but that's not being taken to consistent logical conclusions. Different logic is being applied to each option, while also missing implications from the direct text in favor of drawing from contrast. Which is a bit frustrating.

[ ] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.

In terms of what Ling Qi buys with this effort, it's chiefly time and latitude to act. This option says "defense", and that's not untrue, but it's also a bit of a misnomer. The rest of the context makes it clear that it's more about being conservative. With positioning, with reaction, and with resources.

And I think people understand that basic thrust? The "elixir saving" metaphor being used is apt here; the enemy being "put on the defense" doesn't mean prioritizing spending resources on defensive efforts. That's what potions/elixirs are, after all, and the metaphor being used sees them not being used. Which I think is correct. This tech instills a bias against spending resources broadly, of saving the cards in their hand. And the current cards, at that. A defensive stance is simply the one that lines up with a thrifty disposition, generally.

[ ] I would wield it to encourage glory-seeking, to make them willing to sacrifice what they should not for their dreams.

What Ling Qi gets out of this approach is opportunity and limiting the opponent's options. Inducing enemies to act more impulsively can open up gaps in enemy lines which can be exploited, even as they're spending resources to have large impacts where they do act. It also make enemies more likely to fall for bait of various kinds, which (I might add lines up with Gan Guangli's low-key trickery) sort of splits the difference between opportunity and limiting the opponent's options. The greater part of limiting their options is, of course, by draining them over time by getting them to "waste" their tools in lackluster circumstances, or even against feints.

This option is being interpreted as inducing enemies to go on the offense. That's just wrong. It's not in the text of the option. It's being inferred via contrast to the first option, but as I went over, "defense" is a bit of a misnomer even in the first option. It shouldn't be extrapolated out this way, this far.

What this option does is make the enemy more aggressive with their resources. That can mean going on the attack, yes, but it also means maneuver and defense responses. The enemy's more likely to commit reserve forces to a flagging front, or in response to the appearance of a new threat, sooner. They're more likely to spend qi on defensive techniques to stop even minor wounds.

You could have a situation where an officer manning a fallback fortification slams the gates shut while many men are still trying to retreat, because he irrationally prioritizes his duty of making sure no enemies pass whatsoever. Conversely, you could have the situation where the officer leaves the gates open too long because he wants to save every man possible, and ends up letting our forces slip through. Both are totally viable outcomes, and it comes down to the perspectives and aspirations of our targets.

It's true one of the most obvious, and probably common, impacts of this tech would be enemies going on the offense and hopefully overextending, but it also just makes them more willing to take chances or expend resources for some kind of return, generally. There's reasons to value this or not, but I think how pigeonholed the thread is on what this option actually does is unfortunate.

[X] I would wield it to encourage glory-seeking, to make them willing to sacrifice what they should not for their dreams.

I dunno, seems funnier. Letting Renxiang go clockwork butcher on opposing forces Ling Qi has disrupted into plucky heroics sounds interesting from a character perspective too. Really feed our villain coding.
 
[X] I would wield it to encourage glory-seeking, to make them willing to sacrifice what they should not for their dreams.

Yeah, this probably leads to more entertaining fights.
 
[X] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.
 
Supreme war God of the Empire:
Yrsillar said:
He (the Zenith Sun) is generally the most looked too warrior god, but if you're asking after the rank in the Celestial Beauocracy he's more of Field General, the Minister of War in the Celestial beuoracracy is different
Marching Legions Thunder, is a slightly post sage era ascension most associated with the actual Imperial Muster and the order of its armies
I'm sure there's some sect somewhere getting stuffy about it thats how religions be lol
But most will point out that no shit the Zenith isn't in charge of marching and organizing men, he's in charge of smashing faces.
 
[X] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.
 
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It's been a while since I posted anything, but let's do this!

Viewing this through the lense of resource management, underspending vs overspending, one argument can be made that it's a choice of what do you wish that your enemy sacrifices in the war, his past or his future.

Betting in the past vs the future

By underspending his resources, he might not take the long-term optimal choice, he might not fund the small things, that add up and compound through time.

By overspending his resources, he might sacrifice his war cache and lose a lot, but he may pull out a miracle out of nowhere since:

  1. Even walking alone, footfalls echo beyond your hearing. (Community, Causality, Expression)
  2. The future changes with every step, never be certain you know what is coming (Causality, Mystery, Chaos)

The world is never still. Power is change. In every soul sleeps that spark. There is power in stoking that, enflaming that. Power that may move mountains and gods alike.

By being an agent in the world, he is putting himself in position to take the opportunities he's been given.

So don't let him take it, let alone take another step.

Then, it becomes a question of what do you wish that your enemy sacifices, his past or his future? I prefer the future, so I would be voting in option 1. But, of course both options can be seen as sacrificing the future, so it's a question of what do you think will hurt him more, doing nothing at all or doing the wrong things and remember:

There is no peace in emptiness, no content in stillness. Stagnation is death; act, change, move, think, and grow until the very end. (Power, Motion, Freedom)

[X] I would wield it to put them on the defense, to be miserly with their power and resources, and loathe to expend anything that is theirs.
 
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