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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Kanue Tomkin said:
Looking at them, Chen Huan seems like the most important for our settlement, but at the same time if they have failed to breakthrough to the next realm on multiple occasions, im not sure if their ever going to. That said if they DO succeed and keep advancing, they would be valuable.
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I will note that taking multiple tries to get to Green is the norm not the exception in this case. LQ and most of those around her are the 1%ers.
 
[X] Plan: Patron of the Arts
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 2 green stones per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] 2 green stone per month
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 2 green stones per month
 
[X] Plan: Qingge frowning at the budget
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] 1 green stone per month
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
 
I think we've got a lot of draws on our income already most of them snortable by lq and should be less gung ho about things. We can increase the patronage agreements with these folk if/when they prove themselves some more, and either advance in cultivation or have some good commissions in use in shenglu. 1 GSS a month is... a lot for these folk i'm pretty sure, and still nontrivial for our budget when we're spending like 80-90% of our net income on drugs on top of the base cultivation expenses--which are going to go up with each stage we hit, as a reminder. Personally i think i'd prefer leaving Lai Wen for Xia Lin's investment, but i'll approval vote a version with 1 gs for them all.

[X] Plan Ease into things, let Xia Lin have potter to herself
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 1 green stone per month (CH)
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] 1 green stone per month (LS)
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] Do not support Lai Wen

[X] Plan Ease into things
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 1 green stone per month (CH)
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] 1 green stone per month (LS)
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 1 green stone per month (LW)


Vanguard_D said:
I will note that taking multiple tries to get to Green is the norm not the exception in this case. LQ and most of those around her are the 1%ers.
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I mean, even ling qi took multiple tries (and weeks, iirc) for her bronze breakthrough. i think she had at least one failure for the green side breakthrough but had enough actions to make up for it the same week? i would have to check though...
 
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[X] Plan: Limit Snacks and Poaching

This feels like it hedges well in case of conflict with the potter.

Lacquer and sealants are also huge for preservation and maritime projects. Being able to get effects out of those and dyes could lead to some cool options as far as discreet formation work or reinforcing boundaries or smoothing transitions.
 
Ah, thats fair

Oh another point in favor of the painter, wasn't there a mention before leaving the settlement that Ling Qi needed to repaint her office or else she would negatively impact those working under her?
Maybe our alchemist can come up with a dye that suits the need while making something Ling Qi agrees with aesthetically.
 
Hellbobr said:
Hmm, you haven't counted 46 gss we drop on monthly drugs, yes?
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Correct (mainly because it wasn't listed in the info tab). However with other actual expenditures happening I think it's very likely that will go down. We paid for the absolute maximum possible drugs this month. The minimum reasonable drug plan (all d4s) is only 15 GS, and there are decent thresholds at 22, 29, and 36. We should be scaling our drug spending based on other investments, not avoiding investing because of drugs.

Admittedly two events does not a pattern make, but if all of our investments are going to come as monthly costs, then we are actually going to want to go negative monthly so we can spend away some of our massive stockpile.
 
[X] Plan: Patron of the Arts
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 2 green stones per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] 2 green stone per month
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 2 green stones per month

We need to maximize our chances and bet on all for a chance at one success. Look at the CMP roll, putting our eggs in one die roll hasn't been working.
 
[X] Plan Clay and Wood
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] none
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 1 green stone per month

I want to note here that 1 GSS/month is actually quite a lot of money, both for us and for them. If it is just about buying their products once in a while, then this is never worth it. Investing here means we want them to come to Shenlu later and for that I only see a future for the carpenter (we are about to build and maintain a lot of shrines and other things with wood) and the potter (we have that new magical clay deposit).

 
[X] Plan: Limit Snacks and Poaching
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 2 green stones per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] 1 green stone per month
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
 
Tasoli said:
What is the difference between spending 1 or 2 GS?
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We're more likely to actually get the artisan in question (or at least a greater proportion of their time and attention), and when it comes time to renegotiate they're more likely to stick around rather than bail for greener pastures.

Also, they'll cultivate faster.

[X] Plan: Patron of the Arts
[X] Plan Ease into things

[x] Plan: Woodcut Prints
-[x] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[x] 2 green stones per month
-[x] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[x] 2 green stone per month
-[x] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[x] 1 green stone per month
 
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Yeah. Again I will note you could plausibly maintain an entire village guard off the base level of patronage here. 1 GSS is actually a lot of money, especially for people who aren't even greens yet.

We are going to have more things we want to spend money on. We do not need to jump at the first thing every turn, and do not need to overspend excessively just to be cool or whatever. Admittedly I think this is in large part a signalling problem. The vote really doesn't give us a lot of information on value or anything, and just gives us a high and low number, so people read the high value as "we really want to support this" or something. But the thing is that the "low" values are already starting at a pretty high level. They aren't actually "low".
 
To give some more context, a month of very solid late yellow cultivation with, like 30 RSS worth of drugs every week would come out to ~250 RSS or 0.5 GSS a month. That's the kind of heavy cultivation that any normal person would be extremely thrilled to be able to afford and 1 GSS can fund 2 months of it. It is a very good amount of money.

And, like, if we want to attract people we need room to increase support etc. to reward desirable outcomes. Renxiang was only giving us 1 GSS / month at the start of this thread! And we were green!
 
We have a large amount of ready cash, and Zhengui's ashes and Hanyi's tours will continue to generate more and more revenue. 6 GSS total a month isn't huge for us, but it is huge for these crafters. There are also undiscovered rare resources around Shenglu in areas that are not expanded into yet. Getting crafters ready to move into facilities we are close to unlocking is also key.

I do understand the concern that we will miss opportunities later, or go into negative gains a month, but spending money now to get the potential outcomes we want (CMP, running crafting facilities, selling finished goods at higher value) is something I think we should closely consider.
 
[X] Plan Clay and Wood
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] none
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
 
[X] Plan: Limit Snacks and Poaching
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 2 green stones per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] 1 green stone per month
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 1 green stone per month

[X] Plan Clay and Wood
-[X] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
-[X] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[X] none
-[X] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[X] 1 green stone per month
 
Synthesizer said:
We have a large amount of ready cash, and Zhengui's ashes and Hanyi's tours will continue to generate more and more revenue. 6 GSS total a month isn't huge for us, but it is huge for these crafters.
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Hanyi's budget noticably perfectly balances itself, implyng that she's mostly just funding her dress budget, while Zhengui is eating more than he's generating. He's at -20 GSS/month.

If they do come to work for us, then we can increase their support. There is no reason to throw an excessive amount of money at them right off the bat.
 
Erebeal said:
Hanyi's budget noticably perfectly balances itself, implyng that she's mostly just funding her dress budget, while Zhengui is eating more than he's generating. He's at -20 GSS/month.

If they do come to work for us, then we can increase their support. There is no reason to throw an excessive amount of money at them right off the bat.
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I was referring to gap with Zhengui's budget closing, or Hanyi being able to do more that break even, not that they had a positive income.

I do understand the concerns with budgeting, but being too conservative on one of the few occasions prior to a War Arc for us to be in town is also an issue. We have no place to really shop in the Wall or Underdark.

Totally get not wanting to go overboard though.
 
[X] Plan: Limit Snacks and Poaching
-[x] Chen Huan, the Spirit Carpenter
--[x] 2 green stones per month
-[x] Leng Shui, the Color Alchemist
--[x] 1 green stone per month
-[x] Lai Wen, the Practical Potter
--[x] 1 green stone per month
 
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