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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Honestly, thought of a new way to deal with Xia Ren. Every time she says something about the past being trash, learn three new Weilu facts/ideas/etc. Within just a few years in her presence even once a year we'll know everything and start having to learn even the stuff never written down. :V
 
yrsillar said:
Just as easy as ceasing to feel pain. The easy way is not the only one.

The whisper crawled across her thoughts like a cold ripple of water, a cold, dead but good humored whisper.

Look then, you are not the only small one making their will known in a battle of little gods.
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Always delightful to see Huisheng showing up.

It's likely me just going full Cope, but to me it feels like Ling Qi's resolution to 'How do you ascend to relevance without becoming a monster when Cultivation itself cuts away your humanity and your internal paradoxes' is going to be 'You can only truly ascend by holding onto all your internal complexity and contradictions.'

LQ certainly in agreement with Huisheng in his heresies. (the one we know about anyway)
 
I just realized, and admittedly this is the case because it's been almost a year, but in-universe the Tribulation we had about Trust, Choice, Chance of Loss, etc that gave an Advanced Insight to Ling Qi and THIS Tribulation are about two months apart. Maybe somewhat closer to three.
 
Blademaster said:
we only have 8 regular insights though, including the damaged one. we gotta get some more soon if we wanna do fortification fast
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"Only."

It will be a good part of a year before we are at that point, and if we're at that point and have "only" nine insights, for instance, and have to spend a month or two NOT on the fast track that... fine? Like, it really is entirely and completely fine.

The damaged Insight was only two months ago as well, entirely competent Cultivators have spent months polishing smaller blocks than that to get past them.
 
The Laurent said:
I just realized, and admittedly this is the case because it's been almost a year, but in-universe the Tribulation we had about Trust, Choice, Chance of Loss, etc that gave an Advanced Insight to Ling Qi and THIS Tribulation are about two months apart. Maybe somewhat closer to three.
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In-universe:
Normal Green - Let's take a of years (maybe closer to decades) slow but surely choosing carefully vetted Arts and researching, making connections to have a safe-ish Tribulation. Repeat the process throughout one, or more, mortal lifetimes.

Ling Qi - What do you mean two months if too short a time for getting involved in Tribulations by Sovereigns?

Cai Shenhua - Ha! Hold my sewing needles.
 
The Laurent said:
The damaged Insight was only two months ago as well, entirely competent Cultivators have spent months polishing smaller blocks than that to get past them.
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entirely competent cultivators don't get to the peak of sovereignity like Ling Qi. I get what you are saying, but Ling Qi never aspired to be merely competent. she aspired to be a prodigy(and pretty much is).
The Laurent said:
"Only."

It will be a good part of a year before we are at that point, and if we're at that point and have "only" nine insights, for instance, and have to spend a month or two NOT on the fast track that... fine? Like, it really is entirely and completely fine.
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its not absolutely crucial, sure. but its still pretty good if we can do that, now that the harder requirement of 3 advanced insights is behind us. its not the end of the world if we don't, but several hundreds of extra cultivation are pretty great if we can get them, and can definitely lead to finishing the stage a month or two earlier. so I wouldn't say its unimportant
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As far as it goes, there are honestly several Arts that we're within a year of Mastering and therefore getting an Insight from, if we choose to do so.
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we gain about 900 xp a month, on average. at that rate we are 5 turns from stage up in spiritual. faster if we master FSS sooner(Which is fairly likely). we need one more insight after that. we can get that, probably, and should try to do that. not at all costs, of course, but its certainly something we should take into account
 
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Blademaster said:
entirely competent cultivators don't get to the peak of sovereignity like Ling Qi. I get what you are saying, but Ling Qi never aspired to be merely competent. she aspired to be a prodigy(and pretty much is).

its not absolutely crucial, sure. but its still pretty good if we can do that, now that the harder requirement of 3 advanced insights is behind us. its not the end of the world if we don't, but several hundreds of extra cultivation are pretty great if we can get them, and can definitely lead to finishing the stage a month or two earlier. so I wouldn't say its unimportant

we gain about 900 xp a month, on average. at that rate we are 5 turns from stage up in spiritual. faster if we master FSS sooner(Which is fairly likely). we need one more insight after that. we can get that, probably, and should try to do that. not at all costs, of course, but its certainly something we should take into account
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Where do you get that from?

We gain 110x6 XP in each of Spiritual and Physical (both of which have to advance).

The higher XP totals are from taking projects that increase Spiritual or Physical Cultivation gains.[1]

Only the Shattered Gaol is a consistent source of (+10, so effectively +60) extra (Spiritual) Cultivation.

[1] If we're being mechanical, we honestly should be waiting to do those until we get the 50% bonus, in order to increase the gains even more, if we want to have a turn of 1500 Spiritual or Physical Progress, more or less.
 
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I can't wait for the people who disparaged Ling Qi as a pathetic upstart to find out she helped kill a Sovereign.
A tall thin young man frowned up at the stage, brows furrowed, lips pressed together in a thin line.
"You are displeased, Sir Meng," observed his companion. A young woman with fang like tattoos on her cheeks and rough hide garb. She leaned against the broad side of a stag,
"How can I not be," Meng De replied. "There is a reason that the great diviner is portrayed as a voice offstage in such plays. It show immense ignorance to do otherwise. It puts all of this shallow imitation in the light it deserves."
The girl, Alingge, child of the dwindling hill tribes observed their host confronted another in similar finery, the riddle game, the bond of forest and hill, and claimed his victors right not as king but brother. Her lips twisted in a slightly bitter smile. "And if it is not ignorance?"
Meng De looked as if he had bitten into a lemon. The idea that members of his own clan would support such a thing, that the subversive children of Meng Diu would have fallen so far.... "Then that is worse. Tsu was no mere man, it is an insult to even imply that you aspire to take or improve on his labor.."
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Meng De then: Heresy!
Meng De now:
 
The Laurent said:
Where do you get that from?

We gain 110x6 XP in each of Spiritual and Physical (both of which have to advance).

The higher XP totals are from taking projects that increase Spiritual or Physical Cultivation gains.[1]

Only the Shattered Gaol is a consistent source of (+10, so effectively +60) extra (Spiritual) Cultivation.

[1] If we're being mechanical, we honestly should be waiting to do those until we get the 50% bonus, in order to increase the gains even more, if we want to have a turn of 1500 Spiritual or Physical Progress, more or less.
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While that is true, we generally do 1 of these projects a turn. Sometimes non, sometimes 2. And we shouldnt wait, as we have enough projects and more will appear.
Even taking 660, it will take us 7 turns. And likely less since will master FSS before almost assuredly.
 
Blademaster said:
While that is true, we generally do 1 of these projects a turn. Sometimes non, sometimes 2. And we shouldnt wait, as we have enough projects and more will appear.
Even taking 660, it will take us 7 turns. And likely less since will master FSS before almost assuredly.
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There are only three projects currently that do that, and of course in the long run both have to be at Peak before we jump up for the last time.

I did rough, napkin calculations and we'll be well on track to reaching 4th at twenty. Younger than that would take several things going perfectly right all at once... albeit one or two fewer things than just last month. :V
 
The Laurent said:
There are only three projects currently that do that, and of course in the long run both have to be at Peak before we jump up for the last time.

I did rough, napkin calculations and we'll be well on track to reaching 4th at twenty. Younger than that would take several things going perfectly right all at once... albeit one or two fewer things than just last month. :V
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I did the calculations, we can do it a bit before 20, even 19. You took into account that a year here is 13 months rather than 12?

and while we have 3 now we constantly get new projects and its reasonable to assume some of these will give xp too
 
The Laurent said:
Where do you get that from?

We gain 110x6 XP in each of Spiritual and Physical (both of which have to advance).

The higher XP totals are from taking projects that increase Spiritual or Physical Cultivation gains.[1]

Only the Shattered Gaol is a consistent source of (+10, so effectively +60) extra (Spiritual) Cultivation.

[1] If we're being mechanical, we honestly should be waiting to do those until we get the 50% bonus, in order to increase the gains even more, if we want to have a turn of 1500 Spiritual or Physical Progress, more or less.
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The Veins of the Earth/ Boilling Deeps Shrine also gives us the same in physical cultivation, but it's water/fire... And honestly all the other cultivation site's bonus effect should be revised since we no longer track Green Stone expenditure. (Falling water palace give us nothing because star beasts, We can't access thunderclap montain because Qilins, and Cathedral of Winds and Saline Grotto reduce cultivation ressource consumption, which we no longer track)
 
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Blademaster said:
I did the calculations, we can do it a bit before 20, even 19. You took into account that a year here is 13 months rather than 12?

and while we have 3 now we constantly get new projects and its reasonable to assume some of these will give xp too
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The only way you got "before 19" is if you're making assumptions I don't think make that much sense for the journey to 'Peak.'

I admittedly didn't take into account 13 month years, but even with that my calculations get roughly, "Early to mid 20, late 19 if everything lines up."

Or did you mean, "We can even do it at nineteen" at which case, yes, it's an outside possibility. Just less outside than it was a turn or two ago. It'd be funny to be a Teenage Cyan, even for a month or two, I admit.
 
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CedeTheBees said:
Yrs confirmed a couple arcs ago that we'd automatically get double successes for anything we cultivate during the Summit since site bonuses don't really make sense
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Do you mean, don't really make sense for being at the Summit (I agree) or in general (disagree)?

(Just checking if those might go away in any sort of rework, which I'd dislike because finding nifty-weird places to Cultivate better is cool.)
 
It's kinda wild how in a little over 3 years (quest time) we'll have gone farther than the Vast Majority of Cultivators. We all knew Green would be a long haul but RN it's kinda ridiculous how SHORT it seems despite the absurd amount of events we've gone through.

BTW. I was re-reading some of the Arcs and I've got to say I think the Grudges Arc is one of my favorites in how well it displays LQ's competency as an Agent and Fixer.
 
The Laurent said:
Do you mean, don't really make sense for being at the Summit (I agree) or in general (disagree)?

(Just checking if those might go away in any sort of rework, which I'd dislike because finding nifty-weird places to Cultivate better is cool.)
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Just at the Summit. Can't really use any of our sites when we're stuck a thousand miles away from them all.
 
Karthak Urzak said:
I can't wait for the people who disparaged Ling Qi as a pathetic upstart to find out she helped kill a Sovereign.

Meng De then: Heresy!
Meng De now:
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What Ling Qi? This is obliously the Renxiang master plan - during this summit she present herself as leader, demonstrates to ideologically non-Weilu clans the political and economical viability of her conservative RETVRN program and purges the rival Weilu faction that would not accept her leadership and direction.

Ling Qi is obviosly just an instrument of the Cai mastermind!
 
Right now, I don't think Ling Qi wants power enough to be a sovereign?

I suspect that forcing the summit through against SWD is going to give her an insight related to when she feels like she needs to over-rule someone or something, which is where sovereignty is going to come from, but I'm not sure. She seems like she's still mostly in a place where accommodating is seen as better than over-ruling, and I do not think you can be a sovereign like that.
 
Glau said:
Right now, I don't think Ling Qi wants power enough to be a sovereign?

I suspect that forcing the summit through against SWD is going to give her an insight related to when she feels like she needs to over-rule someone or something, which is where sovereignty is going to come from, but I'm not sure. She seems like she's still mostly in a place where accommodating is seen as better than over-ruling, and I do not think you can be a sovereign like that.
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I... don't think that's really the case. I think that's a very narrow understanding of what being a Sovereign is. It's not wanting Power enough to be a sovereign. It's wanting something enough to be willing to grasp Sovereignty.

...also considering that's 6th Realm and we're currently journeying up through third, this is admittedly a very premature conversation.
 
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