Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Per Yrs a Cloud cultivator is worth approximately 1.75 of an Imperial cultivator of the same realm. And that's with two souls united. How powerful might those restored to the full glory of their ancestors be?
Isn't that only because the Imperial mooks cannot fly? I don't think the higher realm tribesmen enjoy any qualitative advantage over their Imperial peers.

LQ, with her ability to fly at Green, killed Cloud cultivators pretty easily.
 
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Imagine if the Ith'ia-aligned Cloud hadn't attacked early and Galidan had had a century or two to to cultivate his White arts, prepare his forces and bond warriors with more Stars.
Maybe? The problem is that it's also a century or two for the Emerald Seas to get stronger, and possibly more importantly, if the Empire gets confirmation Galidan is a White, then IIRC Yrsillar said it would mean the Empress would have to divert resources towards bolstering the defences of the Emerald Seas.

And given that over time the Cloud Tribes are getting increasingly pushed out, then it suggests the long-term trend favours the Empire militarily, not the Cloud Tribes.
 
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Personally, i'd be more interested in how things between the Cloud, the White Sky, and the various other related factions turned out if the original attack was offset by a century or two. Cause, from what i recall, they weren't really fans of each other even before things got…complicated.
 
No. Yrs explicitly said on the discord that a Cloud White is 1.75 of an Imperial White, and I quoted his comparison with Zhengui that explains why.
That being said, I'm pretty sure that's not taking bound spirits into account? Shenhua's got her absurd wardrobe of object spirits plus maybe a fallen star spirit, Yuan He's got his dragon, Jiao's got Xin, Linqin has the dress Shenhua made her, etc. The higher up you go the less common peer level spirits to bind are, but most of the big shots we know have one to back them up. I'm not sure how exactly the math changes there, but I'm pretty sure it does still change.

Yrsillar's statement was also an average, and there's at least one guy we know, Elder Zhou, who made a career out of killing Khans all the way up to being peer level with him despite not having a bound spirit as far as we know. I wouldn't want to bet on a random Cloud Tribe Violet over Xia Ren, even if I'd expect one to come out on top against the average Imperial Violet.
 
No such thing as an average Violet. That's the first stage of Sovereignty, so they're all special snowflakes. (I know what you mean, but I suspect that rather than 'average strength level' you're doing a lot more rock-paper-scissors about whether one Violet is a good match against another. Is rock stronger than scissors? Is paper stronger than rock?)
This entire discussion is based around the author themselves putting an average numerical value on the average Imperial and Cloud White. If you want to have a discussion about how there's no such thing as average I'm not the one you need to take it up with.
 
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Sounds like Totality might have been associated with the stars. Does that mean a star helped create the Twilight King? It sounds like an attempt to bring it back.

Edit: Would the stars consider Totality a form of liberation from free will/division?

Per Yrs a Cloud cultivator is worth approximately 1.75 of an Imperial cultivator of the same realm. And that's with two souls united. How powerful might those restored to the full glory of their ancestors be?
I think that would depend on if they can reach the full power that their ancestors had, or if they would run into the patch the Nameless Mother/Father did across the world due to the Dragons.
 
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That being said, I'm pretty sure that's not taking bound spirits into account? Shenhua's got her absurd wardrobe of object spirits plus maybe a fallen star spirit, Yuan He's got his dragon, Jiao's got Xin, Linqin has the dress Shenhua made her, etc. The higher up you go the less common peer level spirits to bind are, but most of the big shots we know have one to back them up. I'm not sure how exactly the math changes there, but I'm pretty sure it does still change.

Yrsillar's statement was also an average, and there's at least one guy we know, Elder Zhou, who made a career out of killing Khans all the way up to being peer level with him despite not having a bound spirit as far as we know. I wouldn't want to bet on a random Cloud Tribe Violet over Xia Ren, even if I'd expect one to come out on top against the average Imperial Violet.
I'd also note Cloud tribe cultivators advance by hunting worthy opponents(which is why they are having a hard time after having culled the upper range of the ecosystem for millennia). Basically all of them are some variety of Warrior Cultivator, while imperials are spread wider.

So Cloud Khans vs imperials Sovereigns:
Cloud
-Higher raw potency and thus bigger resource pool due to twin souled. Triple souled if they had a star bond.

-They got there via very lethal fights with peers. Of the Imperials this is much rarer, though they exist(see Sun Shao). Combat oriented Ways matter significantly in a fight.

-Mobility advantage, they've been flying since Red(with props), they are just going to be better at 3d combat.

-Action Economy. While an imperial cultivator Could have peer spirit partners making up for the twin/triple soul, the imperial method would generally have the spirit lagging somewhat behind in raw cultivation, as the areas of responsibility needed to grow are largely spoken for in thr Empire.

Imperial
-Better equipment. A Cloud Khan's equipment supply diminishes dramatically as they advance, and would be more along the lines of leveraging high quality materials inherent qualities. Imperial crafter sovereigns are numerous enough that its quite reasonable to expect to be able to commission a full kit of whatever high end gear you need eventually, though it won't be cheap. Added to this Imperial formationcraft is worldclass.

-Better arts. Owing to the jade slips being invented in antiquity, imperials are far better at preserving and iterating on their arts, with considerable references and theory when you need to innovate. Cloud tribes basically have to do master-apprentice, which limits this.

-Numbers. Even the ES, as depleted as it had been by the Hui's mismanagement and the civil war, has more high cultivators than the cloud tribes combined. If they are 1.75x as strong we have thrice as many, even if only one out of three is a dedicated fighter.
 
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