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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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yrsillar said:
The Rising Sun is one many of the nobility keep upon their personal rolls as a spirit to give obedience too. A good practice as the Rising Sun is most often a patron of leadership, of inspiring generals, wise statesman, and impassioned orators. The primary directives of this aspect of the sun is to inspire those around you to greatness. To show great virtue and forthrightness in all things, and thus show one's subordinates the way forward. Although many military commanders revere him, he is not a patron of soldiers but rather of any true gentleman or lady, and even of mortal community leaders. Any who seek to bring organization to their lands, or shame the corrupt should offer words and to the Rising Sun.
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That's the aspect of Gan Guanglo's spirit, right? Sounds perfect for him and his position supporting CRX.

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"Jinzha is of the Rising Sun," Gan Guangli said cheerfully, his booming voice lowered somewhat. "I could not ask for a more valorous companion."
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it's interesting that the author of that article is careful to separate folk-worship and localization stuff from "Imperial Worship" and that the Imperial Worship keeps any of the suns from being true patrons of the common soldiery. I suspect that has something to do with the Draconic Hierarchy preventing the Peaks from considering such great spirits to be champions of the mundane or small.

Grinning Moon being a patron of canny street rats, for example

it's also interesting that they choose to believe (or at least propagandize) that only the Throne is capable of propitiating them. This is likely because the Moon and Sun are above the Throne in hierarchy and thus worshipping the unified forms is going above the Thrones head
 
IIRC the chronology we have is:
Prehistorical
-Hidden Moon - Prior to other Moon faces, any ascension that doesn't have to deal with "Stars descended for a raid party" is after them.
-Grinning Moon - Pre-dragonfall, as their titular deed was stealing authority over the winds from the dragon kings.
-Mother Moon - Direct cause of Dragonfall.

Preimperial
-Tribulation Unending - Soon after Dragonfall, as Zhi the Conquerer cleaned up leftover dragons.
-Inexorable Death - Specific relative time position unknown. May be caused by Tribulation Unending, as the Human-Gu process that created Yao might have gotten turbocharged by the ascension, allowing him to find the organizer too weak.
-Bountiful Earth - Specific relative time position unknown, but has been long enough after Dragonfall for the Beast Kings to be comfortable in their rule.

Other provincial founders even less clear than this, and we don't know if the various founding clan ascensions were pre imperial or imperial era.

Imperial
-Sage Emperor - Did not ascend, too horny.
-Immaculate Angles Everlasting - Came first by both WoG and logic, since meridians and jade slips run on his principles.

So the earliest one we can put a time to is the Hidden Moon/Black Madame(who may have also invented Writing and Astrology), but nothing says she's first of all firsts.
 
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veekie said:
Other provincial founders even less clear than this, and we don't know if the various founding clan ascensions were pre imperial or imperial era.
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Mmm, timeline has the Lu and Jing ~1000 years before the formation of the empire, so enough time for them to conceivably have one or two ascensions - and we do have a couple of them:
  1. Fair Tides Dawn of the Jing who ordered the seas
  2. Slumbering Peaks, scion of the savage isles, who tamed the roaring mountains which dominated its meager lands
Not clear exactly who they were though - Fair Tides Dawn does kind of sound like Ji the Mariner? But not sure if Slumbering Peaks is the Hermit King of the Living Isle... it kind of sounds like they were someone else?

And we also have word on He the Glorious from patron q&a: he became an aspect of the Zenith Sun, Radiant Glory Everlasting, which softened the imperial aspect a good deal by adding civilization friendly aspects like glory and honor to the more primal fight forever core.
 
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[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
I wonder. With the possibility now known to the Imperials, would some choose to become one with the land or something similar to Sublime Ancestors rather than ascension as a Great Spirit?

It might be compatible with some Ways more than others but, I feel as though some would choose to become part of the Foundation of the Empire rather than impose a law on the world.

Edit: It might be blasphemous but, it would appeal to a sense of Duty to their descendants and the idea of 'Empire'
 
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[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
weeblypanda said:
I wonder. With the possibility now known to the Imperials, would some choose to become one with the land or something similar to Sublime Ancestors rather than ascension as a Great Spirit?

It might be compatible with some Ways more than others but, I feel as though some would choose to become part of the Foundation of the Empire rather than impose a law on the world.

Edit: It might be blasphemous but, it would appeal to a sense of Duty to their descendants and the idea of 'Empire'
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Yes, definitely.

The Wang are pretty much *already* interested thanks to the idea of the flying city being based on this method
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
weeblypanda said:
I wonder. With the possibility now known to the Imperials, would some choose to become one with the land or something similar to Sublime Ancestors rather than ascension as a Great Spirit?

It might be compatible with some Ways more than others but, I feel as though some would choose to become part of the Foundation of the Empire rather than impose a law on the world.
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As it happens, from the Q&A we know Sublimes burn a Law into the fabric of reality too.
Karthak said:
Take Grandfather Fortress. He's a very strong White. Able to actively participate in anti-Grave operations. If he ascended all he would do in the physical world was sleep, and the Guo wouldn't even be able to wake him up without severely damaging the whole province. So what's the benefits of him becoming Sublime?
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Yrsillar said:
Well, in Grandfather Fortress' case his niche is so tied into motion that he would certainly keep moving on autopilot, or through communion with his decendants. The benefit would be the much greater enforcement of his paradigm over the region he wanders. Basically a permanent suppressant against the Ashwalkers, reinforcement of the the Guo's ways and increased ease of cultivation for their members, as their methods and arts slot more smoothly into reality.
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Karthak said:
Reinforcement of the Guo's ways? Does a Sublime also burn a new Law into the fabric of the cosmos?
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Yrsillar said:
They do. They become part of the world, and permanently alter their physical and spiritual environment
like people joke about grandmother serpent living on her moms couch, but in a lot of ways, she kind of uh 'became' her mom. Grandmother serpent is the still waters and every drop of venom on the continent , the rivers and the all the things that live in the waters, thats why her waking up is catastrophic
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Karthak said:
Did the law the Purifying Sun introduced die with her?
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Yrsillar said:
Mostly, but things are a bit weird over there
its definitely a reason the Gu's cultivation arts are kinda fucked up
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Karthak said:
A Sublime getting killed screws up their Law, as you mentioned with the Purifying Sun. The Horned Lord though disappeared instead of dying, so is his Law still intact?
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Yrsillar said:
It is, though scholars are somewhat unsure of what it is. Generally its believed to tie to the near unlimited agricultural abundance of the region. Things just grow faster and better here, disease spirits are rarer, etc.
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yrsillar said:
Warriors dedicated to the Zenith sun have often become great heroes in times of strife, and many sword saints have a dedication to him embedded in their way. He is not often appropriated in times of peace, though his worship is more common in the parts of the Empire which suffer directly from barbarian threats.
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Should be 'propititated'. I doubt people are taking the middle sun for themselves at any time, in peace or in war.
 
veekie said:
So the earliest one we can put a time to is the Hidden Moon/Black Madame(who may have also invented Writing and Astrology), but nothing says she's first of all firsts.
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I thought the earliest one we knew of for the Moon was Guiding/Full, because that could exist without needing a human to ascend to support it? It acted as the original counterpart to the Sun against the stars during the night.
 
Karthak Urzak said:

As it happens, from the Q&A we know Sublimes burn a Law into the fabric of reality too.
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Can you put that in the Discord wog channel? To make it easier to access.

veekie said:
IIRC the chronology we have is:
Prehistorical
-Hidden Moon - Prior to other Moon faces, any ascension that doesn't have to deal with "Stars descended for a raid party" is after them.
-Grinning Moon - Pre-dragonfall, as their titular deed was stealing authority over the winds from the dragon kings.
-Mother Moon - Direct cause of Dragonfall.

Preimperial
-Tribulation Unending - Soon after Dragonfall, as Zhi the Conquerer cleaned up leftover dragons.
-Inexorable Death - Specific relative time position unknown. May be caused by Tribulation Unending, as the Human-Gu process that created Yao might have gotten turbocharged by the ascension, allowing him to find the organizer too weak.
-Bountiful Earth - Specific relative time position unknown, but has been long enough after Dragonfall for the Beast Kings to be comfortable in their rule.

Other provincial founders even less clear than this, and we don't know if the various founding clan ascensions were pre imperial or imperial era.

Imperial
-Sage Emperor - Did not ascend, too horny.
-Immaculate Angles Everlasting - Came first by both WoG and logic, since meridians and jade slips run on his principles.

So the earliest one we can put a time to is the Hidden Moon/Black Madame(who may have also invented Writing and Astrology), but nothing says she's first of all firsts.
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There's also the Trickster King for the Dreaming Moon, after Mother Moon(Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny) Original - Users' Choice!)

It seems that he's directly after Mother, but before Tsu, since, IIRC, the Wolf god was made that his kin befriended humanity for so long. Also, if the Trickster King was a Weilu King, it makes sense why the Dreaming Moon and the Liminal have such a strong presence in the ES.

Also, I wonder if the connection/similarities between Dawn and the Dreaming Moon are because the Trickster King was the person who tamed fire.
 
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    • It's kinda interesting that ascension can have you carve Laws that just straight up modify the aspect of a Great Spirit, so that there's some bozo (He the Glorious) spending his life going, "The Zenith sun is more than just fighting, it's also about glory and honor" and the Zenith sun going, "No, no, really it's just fighting and violence" and then He Ascending and going, "You sure about that?"

    So I wonder what things we're insisting about the Moons and the world aren't "actually" true but could be, theoretically.
     
    Oliver_Twister said:
    Can you put that in the Discord wog channel? To make it easier to access.



    There's also the Trickster King for the Dreaming Moon, after Guiding (Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny) Original - Users' Choice!)

    It seems that he's directly after Guiding, but before Tsu, since, IIRC, the Wolf god was made that his kin befriended humanity for so long. Also, if the Trickster King was a Weilu King, it makes sense why the Dreaming Moon and the Liminal have such a strong presence in the ES.

    Also, I wonder if the connection/similarities between Dawn and the Dreaming Moon are because the Trickster King was the person who tamed fire.
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    Wog said guiding moon is held to be the first primordial moon. Hidden seems to be second.
     
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    [X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.

    I am not surprised by the voting state, but I wanted to be a part of it anyway.
     
    [X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
     
    [X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate
     
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