Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)

[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)
 
Was originally leaning towards government stuff, but there are very fair points that culture is more within Qi's wheelhouse, and it feels like a better road to increase communication to the point we can understand the institutions we are dealing with. Not invested in either option, though, they feel kinda equal.

[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)
 
[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)
 
[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)
 
[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)
 
[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)
 
[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)

This isn't about what option fits Ling Qi better? We are going to be bringing this info back to Renxiang. Even if she is better than us at administration she still needs the relevant information.
Even the more cultural aligned clans have very material request for us. In order to answer them without upsetting the White Sky we need to know what they expect this summit.
Knowing how their institutions came to be isn't so immediately useful as knowing those institution's demands. The first, unskippable step is for everyone to reach and agreeable pact. The mutual understanding of each other's history can only come after.

The culture matter is also a two-way road. Both parties should simply be understanding about the other side having different customs. For example, the bread sharing thing. That doesn't exist in the Empire or the ES, so the White Sky has no rigth to get upset if the ES isn't partaking in it. That's Ling Qi's role as an Emmisary.
Both sides have to come to the negotiation table on good faith
 
I won't be bothered if Material wins this vote, but the argument that cultural values have to come second is irritating. To turn that argument on its head, how could the White Sky trust that the Emerald Seas will stick to an economic/political pact if we don't even follow the base essentials, like, for example, foundational rules of hospitality? Clearly cultural concerns must come first, or else we'll never be able to form a pact in the first place!

The truth is that both of these arguments are missing the point. The two options both cover subjects that we need to get a handle on ASAP. Thinking of either of them as secondary is just wrong.
 
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I think cultural values would be more important if we lived closer together.
But as it is, i don't think there will be much contact outside very controlled situations, and for those, we need to understand the systems those meetings will happen under.
If we were close enough that non pre determined meetings were likely (like, say, with the Cloud Nomads), we would need to understand them as a culture more.

Which is not to say that culture is not important, it is, but given that we can only pick one i think how their government and laws work is more immediately important.
 
The most prominent point of conflict between nations isn't culture, it's resources. Culture, religion in particular, is the excuse the rulers use to convince the commonfolk and soldiers to hate and kill each other.
We already know plenty about their culture, even if only at base level. We see it in how Ling Qi conduct herself in the update.
In a negotiation table, social/cultural faux-pas won't be relevant as long as people act on good faith. The White Sky is as liable to commit them with us as us with them.

But we don't know much of their material concerns, beyond wood being valuable. Do they want as much land as possible? To ensure their Nomads have their migratory routes secured? Some specific patch of land with a key resource they want above others?
That is the kind of information we need. None of the involved clans have cultural demands. They want clear divisions and material benefits.
We can even fulfill the Luo's demand, ways to make sure the pact is upholded, but sharing ownership and development of a particular resource both sides want no matter what.

It's true that understanding their culture is of paramount importance, I'm not refusing that.
But that's a moot point if we start killing each other over who owns a massive spirit stone mine or something valuable for both sides.
So, yes. Material agreement first, cultural exchange later.
 
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[x] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky and their disposition)
Seems the friendlier conversation
 
[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)

We know the biggest culcultural red button of theirs, greed for personal power over others.

While knowing more cultural subjects that are possible conflicts of interests would be good, we got material demands from those we have talked so far, so I think it would be better to get them ready for those as well.... And honestly, there aren't that much we heard of their culture, so far, that would be worrying.
Biggest one so far is their cultivation, but that type of deal making isn't prohibited by the empire, I think.
 
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[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)

even with the updated wording, i still think avoiding material conflict is better for now
 
[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)
 
[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)
 
The culture part might actually help us answer some of counts clan's concerns: the Luo, in particular, will want to know about that, and the Wang and the Meng too (to know what we can ask them to do without insulting them). The Diao and Bao will be more interested in the mercantile aspects, and the Cai will want to know about their institutions first and foremost.

Either way, I would be very interested to see LQ answer in kind to either kind of query. "Tell us how the Empire work, oh mighty, knowledgeable Emissary..."
 
[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)
The most prominent point of conflict between nations isn't culture, it's resources. Culture, religion in particular, is the excuse the rulers use to convince the commonfolk and soldiers to hate and kill each other.
I don't think I agree with this opinion in a setting where people literally carve their culture and values into their souls and can't go against them at higher levels...
 
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[X] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)
 
[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)
 
There was an appeal in reaching out, trying to find if there was something there she could speak too. It was her first impulse even. But in the end she had to consider the practicalities. The Jin were opposed to both the Bai and the Xuan, their closest external allies, who she already had friends in. While she couldn't say that was an intractable problem. It absolutely wasn't one she could afford to spend the time working on right now. In the end it was another way in which she simply wasn't strong enough yet.
Oof, hopefully this isn't as strong a signal that our choice means we'll be skipping over the Ducal politics as it looks like. That's a significant part of what Bai Meizhen and Xuan Shi had to do here, and something we've been getting hints and cues towards for actual years. Bummer if it's a missed opportunity.

Anywho, interesting options here. Bit annoying that we're being faced with this choice before being told what the Bao, Diao, and Jia asks are. It limits our ability to tailor our efforts towards our domestic needs/priorities pretty badly. Which sort of makes this more of a character vote than a practical one, probably?

[ ] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)

This one immediately jumps out to me because the very start of the meeting we're having right now highlighted the friction caused by different cultural expectations. Here, on the importance, form, location, and ritual of hospitality.

There's also the matter that we sold the effort on the basis of shared historical ties, specifically with the Sibiar who make up part of the White Sky(and possibly Seared Land? We were told they lay to the east in the White Sky, iirc, but it's not clear of they cross the boundaries of federations significantly). Having a bit more information under our belt to shore up our initial premise, and maneuver around protests that arise, seems useful. It's also appealing in terms of Ling Qi's specializations, interests, and what she can respond with in kind. We don't really have the info to calculate trade-offs here, not knowing the full picture of our side's interests, so I admit my instinct is to lean into what's "Ling Qi-y".

I'm also interested in what's up with the Seared Land and their Gessiar. Their gender politics appear to differ from what we've seen so far from the Polar Nations, and in some ways more closely resembles the Empire's. It's plausibly even more different in other ways. Still, it could be very useful to get a better handle on their differences, because the subject is very likely to be a topic of tension, and having an familiar example that is in some ways an intermediate would be useful in smoothing issues that crop up. Analogy is an extremely potent tool, but we need a knowledge base to use it effectively.

Lastly, this seems like the best opportunity to identify any factions that are opposed to we and ours on ideological/spiritual grounds. Which are mostly what's in play within the context of the summit, given the distances involved.

[ ] Seek out information on material things, structures of government and institutions at play here.(better understanding of the likely material demands and potential flashpoints of conflict between your institutions)

This one's interesting to me. It's obviously important, but I'm not sure how imminent it is. Our nations don't actually border each other, so opportunities for conflict should be minimal, at least at this opening stage of relations. We've already committed ourselves to soothing tensions between building crews and defence forces not knowing what their counterparts are doing, which seem to be the institutions that are imminently relevant.

That said, there's things to be learned from more practical, grounded concerns, even if they're far off. For instance, the Tangled Pines are interesting from a geographical perspective. Them being in the west puts them very isolated from other Emerald Seas players compared to us. The Meng are isolationists and explicitly neglect their own southern lands(where we're building up influence via Hanyi's performances anyway), and we're the next closest Imperial presence. Their name also implies access to woodlands, meaning lumber. There's some potential for conflicting interests there, since lumber is one of our assets too, so feeling out the issue in more detail might avoid the pitfall of presenting ourselves as a rival if we're too careless in boasts or promises concerning the resource.

These are longer-term matters, but long-term concerns will colour the short-term support of people looking forwards.

[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)

Since we're going in half-blind on what our side actually cares about, I'm mainly picking what's more relevant to Ling Qi's interests and the capacity of her role in the proceedings.

She's been doing long meditations on history and culture, and the quirks of fate in her cultivation makes her the best placed to act as a cultural ambassador for the summit. Broader knowledge of history and culture can further refine her personal thinking and insights on their nature, and how they relate to her worldview, her Way, and what it is she's really attempting to accomplish here on the border. Arming Ling Qi with greater cultural knowledge of the Polar Nations' peoples makes her more effective at the role that only really she can perform. She's an Emissary between two alien cultures, and the only one really around, so the less alien she makes them to herself the better she'll be able to do the job.

Reciprocation is also a factor. Ling Qi asking after certain subjects is naturally going to invite them to ask her about them in relation to the Empire. And, uh, "material things, structures of government and institutions" aren't really Ling Qi's wheelhouse. She's much better equipped to comment on matters of history and culture, and to present those comments in a way that her audience will be receptive to. If for no other reason than Sixiang is here to hold her hand through it. :V

Maybe they can do cool powerpoint holograms while we're talking.
 
[x] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky and their disposition)

Already almost caused one problem with this, and the material needs will have to be talked about.
 
[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)

Culture's pretty important in one's decision making. Especially with cultivators.
 
Eh, thinking about it, I'm voting only for the culture and history. So far, whenever we've met the White Sky, we've always had some cultural issues. It could be excused when we first met, but even now, we didn't know what might offend the Crowfather elder, and, without Xuan Shi's advice, we would have done another cultural faux pas that may threaten relations.

And it'll be better to know the different factions so that we can cater to them, just like what we've been doing with the counts and observers in the Empire.

NB: I'll probably change it if there are nice arguments for materials.

[X] Seek out information on history and culture to better understand the forces at play here. (better understanding of the factions within the White Sky their disposition, and potential cultural flashpoints)
 
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