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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Mellithae said:
That is...a lot of concept exp. I have no idea on the vote, though. Witnessing is likely to interest me, but I think listening might be more apt with LQ's recent direction? I have no opinion regarding Xuan Shi's takeaway, though.
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I'm pretty sure it's from doubling the necessary successes on Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief (+2 Motion, +2 Freedom) and the previous choice (+1 Motion), but yeah it's a lot.

And I'm thinking Narrative/listening, that option seems more interesting to me.
 
Mellithae said:
That is...a lot of concept exp.
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I'm pretty sure those are the +2 to Motion and Freedom we're getting from LFWT this turn, plus the +1 to Motion from the last vote.

edit: ninja'd lmao

[X] Approach the hut and seek the right of guests, listen to what can be heard. (Xuan Shi Gains in his Narrative Concept, 60% chance of additional reward)

Narrative is a cool comcept. Hope we get it ourselves.
 
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Mhh this is a good update. Didn't even know I wanted rocket turtle until it happened.

As for choice I'm thinking

[x] Approach the hut and seek the right of guests, listen to what can be heard. (Xuan Shi Gains in his Narrative Concept, 60% chance of additional reward)

As I think this will give us the best lore drop while also being the most related to us as we've been doing a lot with that sort of concept ourselves lately. It's interesting to see Xuan Shi has two concepts close to ours and yet divergent. Narrative to our Expression and Travel to our Motion. At least it seems like that to me.
 
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yrsillar said:
nd Freedom grows only when shared, one is only ever as free as the strength in their arm allows
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Shiiiiiiiit this is a terrible insight to have.
Only one way to grow AND two internal contradictions in the insight itself:
1. Does freedom grow with sharing or with strength?
2. What about the strength of those with whom it is shared? This insight basically assumes there are people who are active fonts of freedom and there are passive recipients of that font
 
mastigos said:
Shiiiiiiiit this is a terrible insight to have.
Only one way to grow AND two internal contradictions in the insight itself:
1. Does freedom grow with sharing or with strength?
2. What about the strength of those with whom it is shared? This insight basically assumes there are people who are active fonts of freedom and there are passive recipients of that font
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I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding what is said here. The point is that the strength in one person's arms is limited (and cannot lead to freedom) and one needs other people to truly have enough strength to be free.
 
mastigos said:
Shiiiiiiiit this is a terrible insight to have.
Only one way to grow AND two internal contradictions in the insight itself:
1. Does freedom grow with sharing or with strength?
2. What about the strength of those with whom it is shared? This insight basically assumes there are people who are active fonts of freedom and there are passive recipients of that font
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It's not an insight, it's Ling Qi's conception of Freedom. It can change and grow.
 
mastigos said:
Shiiiiiiiit this is a terrible insight to have.
Only one way to grow AND two internal contradictions in the insight itself:
1. Does freedom grow with sharing or with strength?
2. What about the strength of those with whom it is shared? This insight basically assumes there are people who are active fonts of freedom and there are passive recipients of that font
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I disagree strongly. It clearly reads to me that freedom only grows when shared but can only be defended by strength. That's not contradictory, and doesn't really limit growth in any meaningful way. It makes us a liberator rather than obsessed with our own freedom, but that's fine. #2 in particular doesn't make a lot of sense to me as even implied by the wording, it says that everyone's freedom must be defended by strength, not that there's some weird binary there.

Also, as mentioned, it's not technically an Insight and thus subject to change.
 
I'm all about foundations.
Maybe to a fault?

Regarless. Travel may be a good foundation for future narrative.

My difficulty here is that both options sound cool af.
 
mastigos said:
Shiiiiiiiit this is a terrible insight to have.
Only one way to grow AND two internal contradictions in the insight itself:
1. Does freedom grow with sharing or with strength?
2. What about the strength of those with whom it is shared? This insight basically assumes there are people who are active fonts of freedom and there are passive recipients of that font
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1.) When strength is shared, that is how freedom grows.

2.) There is nothing saying that those with whom strength is shared cannot also turn around and share that strength as well.

Freedom grows when you strive to be free, and when you strive for others to be free. This insight is saying that freedom is not a zero sum game, and it is something that must be strove for.
 
I don't want to invite Tribulation here, but I hope we crit the next roll too. Infinite rewards to help Xuan Shi and Kongyou!!!
 
A lot of LQ's insights are starting to take on communal aspects, which is super interesting. Looking forward seeing her formulate a coherent political philosophy based on all this lol.

Narrative will have my vote, since it's all about listening to stories.
 
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He is filled with turtle meat!
Now we have Commercial Sign!
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On the Travel v Narrative, what does Xuan Shi need? It's fairly complicated to guess at.

On Travel, we can argue that it is what he needs to actualize his desires to do as his favorite novel does and see sights beyond thr horizon. But, the flip side could also be seen that he's travelled enough from the Xuan Lands to the sect, where variety of people and cultures is already a thing he is well aware of due to being raised a Xuan.

On the Narrative, he is gonna need this if he wants to do as the discovered author of his favorite novel did, except he'll do so at the right at the start and not at the end where regrets and reality has already set and solidified. But, the thing about seeing things in a narrative is that it can blind you to the actual reality of things that don't align with conventional narrative tropes. Reality is stranger than fiction, and that can really mess with you if you've built up narrative expectations.
 
TimEd said:
On the Travel v Narrative, what does Xuan Shi need? It's fairly complicated to guess at.

On Travel, we can argue that it is what he needs to actualize his desires to do as his favorite novel does and see sights beyond thr horizon. But, the flip side could also be seen that he's travelled enough from the Xuan Lands to the sect, where variety of people and cultures is already a thing he is well aware of due to being raised a Xuan.

On the Narrative, he is gonna need this if he wants to do as the discovered author of his favorite novel did, except he'll do so at the right at the start and not at the end where regrets and reality has already set and solidified. But, the thing about seeing things in a narrative is that it can blind you to the actual reality of things that don't align with conventional narrative tropes. Reality is stranger than fiction, and that can really mess with you if you've built up narrative expectations.
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Keeping in mind both Travel and Narrative are as ingrained in his domain as Freedom and Truth is to ours.

Its not whether he gets those concepts, but rather whether he advances those concepts into more nuanced versions while with us.

Which is to say, if you want to approach it from this direction you should be looking at which one needs development because right now its screwing with him.
So:
-Travel - Xuan Shi's earliest concept of Travel was to bond a Xuanwu partner and sail the seas. He has since been opened to the idea of other forms of travel and adventure, to whit, journeying in Dream.

-Narrative - This is what's been tripping him up a lot on his personal relations, where he tries to follow a narrative, but it was the wrong story because he's missing context. This is also his bond with Kongyou.
 
TimEd said:
On the Narrative, he is gonna need this if he wants to do as the discovered author of his favorite novel did, except he'll do so at the right at the start and not at the end where regrets and reality has already set and solidified. But, the thing about seeing things in a narrative is that it can blind you to the actual reality of things that don't align with conventional narrative tropes. Reality is stranger than fiction, and that can really mess with you if you've built up narrative expectations.
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Funny thing is, he already acknowledged that in Interlude: Companion Quest.

He did not know what he had expected. He should have learned by now that stories did not reflect reality.

An unusual bloodline only led to isolation.

The distant school, so far from the empty home, was not a place where the friendships of lifetimes were forged. The isolated and lonely heiress who buckled under the weight of expectation did not have any need for love to lighten her burden. Winning tournaments changed nothing. The mysterious and confusing girl who had intruded upon his life had never held any particular interest in him beyond friendly acquaintance, and in fact, his interest had frightened her.

Father had never intended to return for him. It had been a lie from the beginning.

<You're being too hard on yourself. You just haven't found your story yet,> a soothing voice whispered. <Your stand was worthy of prose at least, was it not?>
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And Kongyou encouraged him towards Narrative. I wonder, if we pick this, would it further her plans or give him a more healthy way of going about it?

veekie said:
-Narrative - This is what's been tripping him up a lot on his personal relations, where he tries to follow a narrative, but it was the wrong story because he's missing context. This is also his bond with Kongyou.
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True, context has been the issue with a lot of things here. This might be our opportunity.
 
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Wherein Does Freedom LIe?

Wherein does flighty fleeing freedom lie?
Which place in this land does it cease to roam?
Is it up high in that clear boundless sky?
Or seeking to dig deep in dirt and loam?

Wherein does flighty fleeing freedom run?
Which corners of this vast world will it flee?
Is it somewhere beneath the blazing sun?
Or hiding beneath a large bush or tree?

Freedom is heard in a child's sweet laughter
Freedom is felt in the toil of a day.
Freedom is found in lights among rafters
Freedom is seen where none watch what they say.

Freedom is power to tell a Lord No.
Even if it would make that Lord your foe.​
 
Xuan Shi is definitely not someone we can afford to leave to his own devices; he doesn't live in a healthy state of mind. Kind of like Suyin back in year one after the incident.

The question is: is voting for or against Narrative better to this end?
 
o11c said:
Xuan Shi is definitely not someone we can afford to leave to his own devices; he doesn't live in a healthy state of mind. Kind of like Suyin back in year one after the incident.

The question is: is voting for or against Narrative better to this end?
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If you think a concept is a problem the only solution is to develop it unless you're willing to Shenhua them and lobotomize them with lasers.
 
veekie said:
If you think a concept is a problem the only solution is to develop it unless you're willing to Shenhua them and lobotomize them with lasers.
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... or merge it. Or just leave it stagnant while other concepts replace it.

That said, based on Green being the last flexible realm, I imagine there might be a way to remove concepts entirely without harm.
 
[X] Approach the hut and seek the right of guests, listen to what can be heard. (Xuan Shi Gains in his Narrative Concept, 60% chance of additional reward)
 
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