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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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yrsillar said:
-Luo Clan: 1
--Imperial Conservatives (20%): -2 -> -3
--Imperial Moderates (20%): 0
--Weilu Moderates (55%): 1 -> 2
--Old Tribes (5%): 2

-Wang Clan: 1
--Imperial Moderates(40%): 0
--Imperial Conservatives (10%): -2 -> -3
--Weilu Moderates (50%): 1

-Meng Clan: 0 -> -1
--Weilu Conservatives(50%): -1
--Weilu Reactionaries(25%): -2 -> -4
--Weilu Reformers(25%)
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Ha! Totally called it for the Weilu Reactonaries falling to -4. As a reminder, this is the definition of a -4 organization reputation
yrsillar said:
-4: Greatly Disliked- The organization will oppose you whenever doing so is both possible and matches with their other goals
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So this means that fun times are coming with the Meng. Lobbying against us for sure, publicly condemning our efforts as heresy, accusing us of conspiring with barbarians to betray the Empire, soft sabotage when possible, likely interfering with Hanyi's concerts.
That's what we can expect. I doubt we will be targets of blatant sabotage or terrorist acts, lest alone assaination. Too many eyes on us and we are too close to Cai Renxiang. The Reactonaries wouldn't want to be purged next.

But, wow, are we a polarizing figure or what? Besides the Reactonaries's dive, we have lost rep everywhere with heavy Imperial Conservative presence, which sadly includes the Bao.
And the Weilu Moderate didn't increase as much as I was expecting. The increase of the Reformers to "active help" level is just sensible. We are they best bet for success, and our failure would greatly harm their standing and credibility. Too bad it isn't +4 to counter the Reactonaries.

yrsillar said:
yes the desynch was intentional
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So the Luo's Weilu Moderates truly like us more than the Wang's. I guess that including a representative observer in the summit really made an effect. That uncle from the tournament has to be an important figure.
Still, Wang Chao really supports us, and his sister as well. The whole clan is explicitly Weilu/Imperial fusion, and our play supported their efforts to incorporate Cloud Nomads as citizens.
It's a bit weird their Weilu Moderates didn't go up as well. I guess they have too many Imperial Moderates, and a bit Conservative, so they can't support us more yet?

yrsillar said:
"Detective, did this man have a relative at the Argent Peak Sect?" She asked.

He paused. "Yes, he did, though I understand that the disciple Yan Renshu passed away this last year. That was a narrowing factor in the investigation. Although the Sect is not the most transparent institution…"
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Are we really still dealing with the fallout of Yan Renshu? That worm still causes problems even from the grave. Next thing we know, we'll discover he isn't actually dead.
We are going to run into him while exploring the underground, in the "land of worms". He will be a kind of Shishigui hybrid and will gloat about how he is properly respected and appreciated now.
He will also have a mask covering half his face and play a pipe organ. Just to prove that he is also a better musician than Ling Qi.

yrsillar said:
"That's the one, smaller city, on the same old trade route Tonghou is, but further south," Ling Qi replied. "Who was the ruling viscount?"
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Rigth. I'm still convinced that the culprit is the viscount house ruling Tonghou. The one that forced mom to become a prostitute and still hounded her up until we took her and Biyu to the Sect, 15 years later.

About the vote, I think we should follow the advice of the expert.
Though I wonder what happens if the guy escapes or erases all evidence. Do we just go back home and move on?

[ ] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
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*Looks at the relationship changes* Well, fuck all those people too, I guess. Except for the Luo Weilu Moderates, the Meng Weilu reformers and whoever the hell lives in Thundering Hills.
 
Hmmm... we may have to do something nice for the Bao soon. Keep working at being in their good graces rather than them being apathetic to us. They are a seriously powerful count clan and they have a lot of wealth to throw around.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Hmmm... we may have to do something nice for the Bao soon. Keep working at being in their good graces rather than them being apathetic to us. They are a seriously powerful count clan and they have a lot of wealth to throw around.
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Last fief survey vote and overflow might get us in their good graces if it's a spirit stone mine.

Doramas said:
Are we really still dealing with the fallout of Yan Renshu? That worm still causes problems even from the grave. Next thing we know, we'll discover he isn't actually dead.
We are going to run into him while exploring the underground, in the "land of worms". He will be a kind of Shishigui hybrid and will gloat about how he is properly respected and appreciated now.
He will also have a mask covering half his face and play a pipe organ. Just to prove that he is also a better musician than Ling Qi.
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Yan Renshu must dieeee!!!!!!!!! I would totally welcome that because we can kill him and avenge Shen Hu and all the other people who died because of his stupidity. I don't even care if LQ is rather angry that Suyin could have died instead of Shen Hu's death, but Renshu must go because I'm 100% sure he's still alive
 
Well, if the Bao like it, they should put a ring on it. *gag*

Really, we need some penetration there. I mean it's great if Bao Qingling is our bestie's GF, but she's not well liked in her own clan, for all that her brother loves her. And the Bao are doing well in a business relationship with us, but not so marriage wise. So yes. Penetration into the Bao and their vassal clans.

In terms of actions, we need to start backing up what we're putting down. The Meng Reformers are actively helping now, and we might get the boost to the Foundations and to 4 for the Reformers. But their active occasional help is likely to be drowned out by the more active dislike of the Meng Weilu Reactionaries. Hoping that Hanyi is awesome and Meng Diu manages to start swinging the conservatives to grow her block since she's starting to have more tangible evidence that's it's good.

Should hook Meng Dan and Wang Chao up, like introduce them yeah.

Pretty pleased with improving the Luo over the Wang tbh. We struggle with them. And we should be keeping up correspondence with Wang Chao, further since the Wang are right there, we should be able to improve their opinion via other actions. Give them a sweet deal on the Mystic Aerogel, for instance. First refusal on a tenth, and at a discount, for instance. At least if I were Yrs, I'd make later fief actions, specifically trade and economic actions, be able to boost or detract from various faction attitudes. Not all of them, but some special ones. Like preferential treatment.

Hoping that the Fox thing pays off with the Diao. Bringing that Spirit Blood into the family is going to boost whatever non-Imperial faction they do have, won't it?

Mmmm. I'm still on board with what we did, but our Cai faction took a fairly big hit politically. I think with some general effort to our current 'allies' the Meng and the Wang, plus some fluffering of the Luo, and Gan Guangli/CRX doing some politicking with the Jia, who are very imperial iirc so I'm surprised our relations with them didn't tank this go around, and see what that Clan has going, and we can put the South on lock.

I'd like to get the Diao on board after that. It's really interesting how low their opinion of us is, I think. CRX is half Diao, CTL is half Diao. And not just like rando Diao but like CRX' dad seemed pretty on the up and up, and CTL's mom is the Matriarch and the Prime Minister. If I had been the Diao Head I'd've thrown my more capable younger members at CRX' court.

The biggest problem with the Bao is that they might flip to becoming *shudder* peakaboos if things really get that bad. I'm sure that the peakers would love to add the Bao to their direct powerbase.

Ramble ramble thoughts ramble
 
The Boa may end up being pretty wishy washy in general if I remember correctly they were pretty much fence sitters up until the later part of the Cai coup. Might be that way too without great immediate gains/profit for them. Which, fair, merchant clan. That would be the whole opinion too not the break downs of the factions. Like all capitalist there will be early innovators and embracers. Moderates and late embracers when its proven they have to to stay relevant. Risky business and big profit vs low risk and steady profit. Seems pretty fair reaction.
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
sergit said:
Is that so? I thought the one about haughty people standing alone being thrown down was the risky one. I ust have misread the votes, hmm.
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I guess I was more talking about the party itself. I don't think either of the two play options would've changed the relationships once we had chosen the Weilu style party. I think these relationship shifts come from the party overall and not just the play.
 
I imagine telling people that Isolationists will die like the beast gods did is going to piss people off on a pretty basic level.

Also wow, come to think of it, the whole stunt with the fairies is on theme with Yan Renshu's past attempts at poisoning Zhengui...
 
yrsillar said:
Southern Clergy: -2[/spoiler]
-Luo Clan: 1
--Imperial Conservatives (20%): -2 -> -3
--Imperial Moderates (20%): 0
--Weilu Moderates (55%): 1 -> 2
--Old Tribes (5%): 2

-Wang Clan: 1
--Imperial Moderates(40%): 0
--Imperial Conservatives (10%): -2 -> -3
--Weilu Moderates (50%): 1

-Meng Clan: 0 -> -1
--Weilu Conservatives(50%): -1
--Weilu Reactionaries(25%): -2 -> -4
--Weilu Reformers(25%): 2 -> 3

-Diao Clan -1

-Jia Clan: 0

-Bao clan: 1 -> 0
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Alright looking at this the key to getting positive relations with the Imperial Moderates will be success in the diplomatic project, success in future missions alongside CRX especially ones that promote ES nationalism, and concrete evidence that Neo Weilu practices aren't highly restricted. Because the fact that they didn't change means they can coexist with the foundation Ling Qi is building among the Meng, and thus more general things should help bring them onboard.

Perhaps more importantly what we really need to focus on in general is to get establish contacts with a sub-faction of the ES count clans, and build connections with them.
Alectai said:
The latter is extremely aggro, and the first time they really try to make us have an 'Accident' is going to bump into Shu Yue, who will have a new throat to seek.

Remember, nobody actually knows that Shu Yue has been asked to keep an eye out for Ling Qi yet except our inner circle. That's going to be an ugly surprise if they think they can just robust through it.
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They know Shu Yue has been asked to look after the provincial heiress as that was announced at a public party, and it would take a special type of arrogance for our enemies to assume that protection won't extend to the retainers of the heir.

That being said they don't know that Shue Yue is personally teaching Ling Qi, and a possible opportunity if that means Shue Yue is allocating more power to the body double such that they notice something in advance. Since giving Ling Qi a chance to persuade the Meng agent would be Shu Yue following through on the hope that his successor will be better than themself, and there are all sorts of narrative opportunities for LQ/CRX to grow from say the agent being persuaded to do it for clemency for the family who're blinded by ideology.
Thor's Twin said:
Hmmm... we may have to do something nice for the Bao soon. Keep working at being in their good graces rather than them being apathetic to us. They are a seriously powerful count clan and they have a lot of wealth to throw around.
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What we want with the Bao isn't simply numbers going up, but rather an avenue to grow a sub-faction within the clan, and we can infer from interludes that there is likely to be a sub-faction where ES nationalism can work as a hook to bring them to the table. The problem is Ling Qi isn't aware of this IC, and still need to confirm this ooc.
 
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[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
I am actually pretty happy that relationships broadly decreased after our big stunt. It gives us a reason to keep working hard at it and shows us that we may need to make tough choices.

Big performances that impact the province should be costly. This shows us that we can't rush these things and need to work slow and steady at the issue.

Very excited for the future of our diplomatic shenanigans.
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)

Yan Renshu must die, twice!
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)

Good enough odds, and the payout should be worth it.
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
[X] Accept Pan Xi's proposal, and observe Yan Shenyi's movements and actions over the next few days before moving to make the arrest. (60% success, may grant better intelligence opportunities.)
 
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