Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Ask about Awakenings and Yith packs.
[X] Ask for clarification of what Minds and Eyes are and how they function in Shishigui society.
[X] What is a melding? What is the "squealing, toothy worm covered in wriggling, hairy cillia" the Lith meld with, and why would it grant instincts at the cost of some portion of the Lith's life?
 
[X] What do you think the best way to deny them this consensus would be?
[X] Ask for clarification of what Minds and Eyes are and how they function in Shishigui society.
[X] What is a melding? What is the "squealing, toothy worm covered in wriggling, hairy cillia" the Lith meld with, and why would it grant instincts at the cost of some portion of the Lith's life?
 
[X] Ask about the Shishigui's Art/Music/Entertainment.
[x] What is a melding? What is the "squealing, toothy worm covered in wriggling, hairy cillia" the Lith meld with, and why would it grant instincts at the cost of some portion of the Lith's life?
[X] What goods do your cities offer for trade, and what would you seek in return for trade?
[X] Ask about Awakenings and Yith packs.
 
Mmmm not sure if I missed a deadline but...
Assuming it wouldn't disturb the party...

[X] Ask Tcho-Ri to sing a song of her home

Someone earlier mentioned that a song might offer special insight to LQ. I agree. This one "question" could give us general impressions of how the yith interact with the earth corpse and with these city / league gods. I think that touch on cultivation, ideology and even the pups / melding questions. Perhaps giving LQ cultivation benefits, and / or insights on how to whittle away their consensus/ power in the future.
 
[X] Ask about Awakenings and Yith packs.
[X] What goods do your cities offer for trade, and what would you seek in return for trade?
[X] Ask about the Shishigui's Art/Music/Entertainment.
 
[X] Ask about Awakenings and Yith packs.
[X] What is a melding? What is the "squealing, toothy worm covered in wriggling, hairy cillia" the Lith meld with, and why would it grant instincts at the cost of some portion of the Lith's life?
 
The Faceless
Once, there was a child, who lived in the roots of the great world tree. In the wondrous city of dreams, ruled by the lord of heavenly lies, they lived in base reality, in dirt and muck and blood. They lived in the dark, in chains of coin and paper. Owned they were, used they were. In the lowest roots there was only cruelty and the laughter of petty little gods. Once, there was a child, but unlike the countless others, they heard the dark, and the dark heard them.

They welcomed it, they loved it, and in the dark there was no more pain. They fed it blood, they fed it memory, they fed it their face, and in return they were given power. The first pleasure in their life was the feeling of a brightly colored man's throat breaking under their fingers. O how the man's fists had once hurt, O how useless they were flailing against the child now. They took the color, they took the light, and both the faceless child and the dark hungered for more. This thought the child, was justice.

There was no time in the dark, no light in the roots to track the days. In the beginning they were drawn to little flesh peddlers, like the colorful man before. They learned to stalk, to skulk, wrapped in the dark, fed from fear and paranoia. They studied, they searched, and picked off the men one by one, drop by drop. The colorful men hid, they babbled, they cried, and they died. The child's fingers found their throats every time. There was no mercy for the children, the men, or the women, why should there be mercy for monsters? This was justice.

The dark grew in them, and its hunger grew too. The child grew tall, the child grew strong. They began to take more than the colorful men, the flesh peddlers. They sought their masters, the paper lords, whose inkbrushes wove the chains. They sought the alchemists whose hunger for reagents exceeded even the lusts of the peddlers. They sought the lord's enforcers who made new laws in their minds for each victim of their violence.

They hunted and they grew. The cruel ones in the rootways began to know fear. People began to leave offerings and signs of thanks. Their whispers told them of those who deserved justice. Their offerings, given by hungry bellies and parched throats, carried dreams of justice. From this too, the child grew, for what is the Dark but Want?

Then the day had come that they had drawn the attention of the high ones. Then the child faced a lord of lies, descended from heaven to discover what the commotion among his servants was. It was the end. Caged, chained, bound once more. The child wished to scream with a voice they no longer had. They had not been strong, they had only been an amusement for the lord, now kept in bondage.

But on one day, a day of terrible sound and fury, their captor had not returned. The cruel ones were in chaos, and with none maintaining their cage they slipped free. They were hungry, they were weak, and so they had slipped out to hunt and feed once more

But it was not to be. A star descended into the dark.

The star had many hands, silver metal and plumed in white. The flesh peddlers burned. The alchemists boiled. The paper lords bound in their own chains or cast down among their victims. The enforcer's skulls lined the streets. Nightmares of the liar lords boiled from the blackest darkness in the lowest roots and melted under the star's light.

This was justice.

They had gone to the star, and knelt. She had thanked them for their hard work, praised them for their devotion to justice. She had chided them for focusing too much on destruction. She had rewarded them with a new face and a new name, woven from moonlight and hope, and made them her disciple.

Shu Yue idly traced the contours of their face with their fingers. Even after two hundred years it felt strange. They did not know who they had been before they had embraced the dark, and in truth it did not matter. They had been a child, one of many or perhaps many, made one.

What mattered was their justice, and their Lady's justice.

Which was why they crouched now on the sheer cliff overlooking a snowy plane, observing the advance of her Grace's daughter and companions. They disliked this. To be so far from the people, so far from the cities which needed them, rankled on a deep level. Yet this was what was needed. To ensure no sabotage. To ensure that Lady Renxiang came home.

They were not like Lin Hai, who loved the young miss, but they did love Lin Hai. It would hurt him if she was lost, so they had not objected to the assignment too much.

So Yue Shu watched from within the mountains shadows as they met with the foreigners and advanced toward the mountain of iron. Embraced by the dark, they could feel the mountain's gaze, feel his attention and protective instinct. It was not so dissimilar to them. They were the shadow in the night, punishing the wicked already inside. The mountain was the wall which kept the predators from the den.

They were seen, they were acknowledged. In the world beyond the physical spindly, too long fingers met an iron palm, and understanding passed. Their purpose was the same, to guard. Guard the children. Guard the future. Acceptance, awareness, acknowledgement of conflict should their children come to blows.

Yue Shu nodded in satisfaction as the contact ended, peering back down at the children again. Their gaze fell on the tall girl who followed in the Young Miss' step, who had entered her mind and drawn her out of the snow hags lies. There were parallels there they thought. The little shadow used the dark, but did not love it. Their purpose was not so honed, their origin not so dark.

This was good, in their mind. They were born from abomination. If there had been a second, their fingers would need to seek many throats. No, in truth their similarities were few, just as the Young Miss did not truly resemble her Grace.

They were born of the world which had come after, and so they were less hard, less violent. Softer. Many called this weakness, that the youth, unknowing of hardship would bring ruin.

The child born in the dark knew better. That was the secret they had been given at the feet of the star. It was not enough to destroy the wicked. For they too were wicked in their way.

Their replacements would be better.
 
This is definitely up there with my favourite side stories! Excellent Job Yrsillar! It makes me wish that I voted for the Faceless interlude when we had the opportunity back in turn 11. I am so glad it was commissioned.

I love Shu Yue and it was so hard for me not to spoil anything about them these last few updates.

The child born in the dark knew better. That was the secret they had been given at the feet of the star. It was not enough to destroy the wicked. For they too were wicked in their way.

Their replacements would be better.
This line sums up why I love Shu Yue so much and why they are gonna be an excellent mentor. They see Qi as the next version of themselves, better than they could ever be because she lived in a better world. If the Ministry of Integrity didn't find Qi, she would have ended up even more similar to Shu Yue. I can't wait to get more of them!
 
The child born in the dark knew better. That was the secret they had been given at the feet of the star. It was not enough to destroy the wicked. For they too were wicked in their way.
Didn't expect this line coming from the adult who used to be that child. I'm suprised that Shu Yue was able to alter their take on 'justice' without breaking.

Ohhh. Maybe it's because they didn't use spirit stones? or just luck?


Regardless, phenomenal chapter.
 
I loved this interlude!

Detailed reaction post, because there's just too much juicy stuff in here:
In the wondrous city of dreams, ruled by the lord of heavenly lies
That's a great name for the Hui!
Incidentally, we haven't yet seen anyone who wasn't a Hui who believed the lies they told. Is that because all the believers are dead, or did the Hui system rely on nothing but fear and webs of hate?

They lived in the dark, in chains of coin and paper. Owned they were, used they were.
This sounds a lot like slavery. Incidentally, slavery hasn't been mentioned in-story yet (although mortals have basically zero rights anyway, so the difference is honestly mostly academic). Is slavery forbidden in the Empire? If so, since when?

They welcomed it, they loved it, and in the dark there was no more pain. They fed it blood, they fed it memory, they fed it their face, and in return they were given power.
This is the sort of thing Ling Qi would have become if the MoI hadn't found us, isn't it?

The first pleasure in their life was the feeling of a brightly colored man's throat breaking under their fingers. O how the man's fists had once hurt, O how useless they were flailing against the child now. They took the color, they took the light, and both the faceless child and the dark hungered for more. This thought the child, was justice.

There was no time in the dark, no light in the roots to track the days. In the beginning they were drawn to little flesh peddlers, like the colorful man before. They learned to stalk, to skulk, wrapped in the dark, fed from fear and paranoia. They studied, they searched, and picked off the men one by one, drop by drop. The colorful men hid, they babbled, they cried, and they died. The child's fingers found their throats every time. There was no mercy for the children, the men, or the women, why should there be mercy for monsters? This was justice.

The dark grew in them, and its hunger grew too. The child grew tall, the child grew strong. They began to take more than the colorful men, the flesh peddlers. They sought their masters, the paper lords, whose inkbrushes wove the chains. They sought the alchemists whose hunger for reagents exceeded even the lusts of the peddlers. They sought the lord's enforcers who made new laws in their minds for each victim of their violence.

They hunted and they grew. The cruel ones in the rootways began to know fear. People began to leave offerings and signs of thanks. Their whispers told them of those who deserved justice. Their offerings, given by hungry bellies and parched throats, carried dreams of justice. From this too, the child grew, for what is the Dark but Want?
This feels like a cross between Batman and Konrad Kurze, and I'm here for it.
I'm impressed that thing they became could still understand that there were systemic reasons for the poor being preyed upon by "flesh-peddlers and alchemists". Whatever they had become, they were clever!

Incidentally, Shu Yue seems genderless, and their transformation is framed as a sacrifice, or at least as a loss. Does this mean that Shu Yue used to have a gender and then lost it?
Considering the way having children works in this setting's cosmology, does this make them unable to have children?

Then the day had come that they had drawn the attention of the high ones. Then the child faced a lord of lies, descended from heaven to discover what the commotion among his servants was. It was the end. Caged, chained, bound once more. The child wished to scream with a voice they no longer had. They had not been strong, they had only been an amusement for the lord, now kept in bondage.
...
Of course the Hui are dumb enough to keep something like that imprisoned instead of killing it/crippling and neutralizing it.

But on one day, a day of terrible sound and fury, their captor had not returned. The cruel ones were in chaos, and with none maintaining their cage they slipped free. They were hungry, they were weak, and so they had slipped out to hunt and feed once more

But it was not to be. A star descended into the dark.

The star had many hands, silver metal and plumed in white. The flesh peddlers burned. The alchemists boiled. The paper lords bound in their own chains or cast down among their victims. The enforcer's skulls lined the streets. Nightmares of the liar lords boiled from the blackest darkness in the lowest roots and melted under the star's light.

This was justice.
So Shu Yue saw Shenhua purge the place, liked it, and bent the knee? That's honestly amazing.
I wonder if Shenhua often got reactions like that, or if most people were just terrified?

She had rewarded them with a new face and a new name, woven from moonlight and hope, and made them her disciple.
Shenhua is weirdly good at soul-surgery. I wonder if that's common for Whites, or if it's specific to her.

Actually, I wonder if Yue Shu's job skill at sculpting is a part of this. Making her a new face and then shaping her Way so that she gets insight about transforming and preserving things could lead to a situation where the Way preserves and maintains the changes Shenhua made to it (or at least avoids rejecting them).

Shu Yue idly traced the contours of their face with their fingers. Even after two hundred years it felt strange. They did not know who they had been before they had embraced the dark, and in truth it did not matter. They had been a child, one of many or perhaps many, made one.
That underlined sentence is really interesting. Souls fusing, just like that! Well, maybe it's souls devouring each other. It's hard to tell.

They were not like Lin Hai, who loved the young miss, but they did love Lin Hai. It would hurt him if she was lost, so they had not objected to the assignment too much.
So whatever that weird thing Yue Shu became was, she can still feel love. That's reassuring, in a way.
I wonder if she could feel love before being rebuilt by Shenhua?

They were born from abomination. If there had been a second, their fingers would need to seek many throats.
So her Way hasn't entirely changed. She got a new identity, but her original core motivations are still there under it all.
Incidentally, I'll note that I'm surprised her recourse wouldn't have been to make them face Shenhua's justice. Or would Shenhua have sentenced them to death by Yue Shu?

They were born of the world which had come after, and so they were less hard, less violent. Softer. Many called this weakness, that the youth, unknowing of hardship would bring ruin.
Of course Shenhua's apprentice has a good idea of what PROGRESS must entail.
 
Didn't expect this line coming from the adult who used to be that child. I'm suprised that Shu Yue was able to alter their take on 'justice' without breaking.

Ohhh. Maybe it's because they didn't use spirit stones? or just luck?


Regardless, phenomenal chapter.
I don't think they did have to alter their view on justice, er, the Punitive Justice they seemed to embody. They sacrificed much of themselves to the Dark, and we know that the Ice Ladies sacrifice parts of themselves for power without spirit stones as well.

There are two parts of Justice in my view (and the view of many others). There is Punitive Justice, and Restorative Justice. Yue Shu and Cai Shenhua are brutal, and focused first on Punitive Justice. Cai Shenhua was already White at the time of the takeover of Xiangmen, and thus had already embraced the idea of Restorative/Creation to work alongside her Breaker/Destruction. Yue Shu was told of this idea, this second branch of justice, and it doesn't need to impact her understanding of Punitive Justice. It only means that she extended her understanding to include something creative or restorative or building, rather than pure Punitive Justice. At a minimum, she respects Restorative Justice and those that will be their replacements.


This also says something interesting about An's Ascension, and I wonder if An shed the Restorative Justice part of himself on his way up, thus making Jiao unsure and unable to advance
 
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The child born in the dark knew better. That was the secret they had been given at the feet of the star. It was not enough to destroy the wicked. For they too were wicked in their way.

Their replacements would be better.

this interlude is my one of my favourites, only Turmoil is better. This line is why. Yue Shu is awesome, the best mentor Ling Qi could hope for
 
That was the secret they had been given at the feet of the star. It was not enough to destroy the wicked. For they too were wicked in their way.

Their replacements would be better.
If that means what it sounds like it means--

I've been thinking on what Cai Shenhua is doing re: Renxiang's development as a leader. Consider some of the tasks and limitations Cai Shenhua has given Renxiang:
  • Dominate the Outer Sect -- which Cai Shenhua has deliberately permitted to degenerate into a destructive, violent, and chaotic mess. Presumably she also denied her vassals from assisting Renxiang in this matter via their scions, since Renxiang brought on a person from Heavenly Peaks to represent the older disciples rather than an Emerald Seas native.
  • Assemble a team to win the Intersect Tournament, also without the assistance of the Cai loyalists.
  • Serve in the Argent Peak's army as a subordinate officer, not leading her own team but under the direct command of a scion of one of the Cai's vassals.
  • Lead a team of soldiers (not the elite White Plumes directly under the Cai's authority) to punish bandits.
Except for maybe the last, Cai Shenhua has never permitted Renxiang to act as a leader to the Cai's organizations. Renxiang has never been able to engender loyalty among the Cai's powerbase, always having to rely on having the general population defer to her authority on their own recognizance or otherwise build agreement without the backing of her mother the Duchess. In other words, Cai Shenhua was never doing anything to prepare to hand over control over the organizations she built to Renxiang; all she was doing was demanding Renxiang build her own.

I think, and those final lines seem to support it, that Cai Shenhua isn't grooming Renxiang to inherit the duchy, but rather demanding Renxiang develop the powerbase from which she would usurp the throne. If Cai Shenhua is wicked, then the organizations she has built in her image are also wicked. Thus, Renxiang and her own organizations, separate from Cai Shenhua's, are meant to replace the wicked Emerald Seas Cai Shenhua has built with a better, kinder world.
 
[X] Ask for clarification of what Minds and Eyes are and how they function in Shishigui society.
[X] What is a melding? What is the "squealing, toothy worm covered in wriggling, hairy cillia" the Lith meld with, and why would it grant instincts at the cost of some portion of the Lith's life?
 
I think, and those final lines seem to support it, that Cai Shenhua isn't grooming Renxiang to inherit the duchy, but rather demanding Renxiang develop the powerbase from which she would usurp the throne. If Cai Shenhua is wicked, then the organizations she has built in her image are also wicked. Thus, Renxiang and her own organizations, separate from Cai Shenhua's, are meant to replace the wicked Emerald Seas Cai Shenhua has built with a better, kinder world.

That makes a lot of sense. Though it feels a bit risky, if CRX does have the support of the established Clans that might cause a lot of strife. Unless that potential for strife is the point.
 
I think, and those final lines seem to support it, that Cai Shenhua isn't grooming Renxiang to inherit the duchy, but rather demanding Renxiang develop the powerbase from which she would usurp the throne. If Cai Shenhua is wicked, then the organizations she has built in her image are also wicked. Thus, Renxiang and her own organizations, separate from Cai Shenhua's, are meant to replace the wicked Emerald Seas Cai Shenhua has built with a better, kinder world.

The wildcard in that scenario, which I think is quite insightful by the way, is: what is going on with the younger daughter being brought into the picture?
 
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