Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Again, we haven't even heard the offer yet. You are literally making a judgement based on nothing.
I am making a judgement on him based on his past actions, and now i am waiting to hear what his offer is so i can judge his offer.

I want to work with Luo, i do not want to work with Luo Zhong, but i am willing to work with Luo Zhong if he manages to really sell himself, but i do not believe, based on his past actions, that he is skilled enough to do so.

Trying to figure out the people you are about to talk with is big part of diplomacy and negotiations, and Luo Zhong, in our very limited interactions with him, seems to not be very good at it, or at minimum is not very good at it when the people he is dealing with don't fit into neat boxes he already has for people.

No he didn't, hope this helps.
Yes he did, we have had extensive discussion over this.

How in the Empire is reconciling the Meng and the Bai our job? Anyone that expects that deserves the inevitable disappointment.
It's not our job, but we have already done great strides in it anyway. :V
They are not about to be best of friends anytime soon, but as seen in our discussion with Meng Diu, and later Bai Meizhen, there is some willingness for very careful trade (done via ten foot poles to avoid any accidental stabbings and/or snake bites).
And that right there is a diplomatic coup of the millenia.
Hooray us. :V
 
Again, we haven't even heard the offer yet. You are literally making a judgement based on nothing. There is no offer on the table, and you already hate the man so much you are flipping the table over.

That is not how we do our job.

Oh come on, you had like 5 posts on here engaging with the topic before landing on this viewpoint of "this is beneath us". We're people talking on a forum. There is no right way to do things and we certainly don't have a 'job'. Let people can express their own viewpoints without berating them for not doing things the right way.
 
We have had extensive discussion over people demonstrating that they don't actually know what "no win" means, none of which has made the situation no win.
*everyone who disagrees with me is just wrong*
Compelling argument there, i now see the error of my ways. :V
He invited us to a social gathering and then put us on a spot of deciding between two factions we had zero knowledge of, just because we, the players, had exact knowledge of outcomes does not make the in character situation a no win.
 
He invited us to a social gathering and then put us on a spot of deciding between two factions we had zero knowledge of, just because we, the players, had exact knowledge of outcomes does not make the in character situation a no win.
Which is something that is completely unrelated to whether or not something is a no win situation, congratulations you are one of the people who has demonstrated that they don't know what a no win situation is.
 
I feel like this discussion is clearly going nowhere. Can I suggest we just leave Luo Zhong and whatever he did or didn't do alone until he or other offers from Luo come up in the updates?
 
I'm of the opinion that all of the following are true: players navigated Luo Zhong's party poorly for a number of reasons including a lack of appreciation for our actual objective going into it, Luo Zhong actively and deliberately controlled the framework of his party to give Ling Qi trouble either way she chose, and his intent wasn't malicious.

There's important nuance to how people acted and why, and there's room to disagree on specifics. However, the current state of the conversation is hostile to nuance.
 
I'm of the opinion that all of the following are true: players navigated Luo Zhong's party poorly for a number of reasons including a lack of appreciation for our actual objective going into it, Luo Zhong actively and deliberately controlled the framework of his party to give Ling Qi trouble either way she chose, and his intent wasn't malicious.

There's important nuance to how people acted and why, and there's room to disagree on specifics. However, the current state of the conversation is hostile to nuance.
I disagree that we chose poorly in how we decided to act at the party. But that is largely dependant on what each person voting wanted out of the party. I am happy with what we accomplished, others might not be, and that's fine.
I do agree with the rest though.

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Am i missing a joke?
 
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I'm of the opinion that all of the following are true: players navigated Luo Zhong's party poorly for a number of reasons including a lack of appreciation for our actual objective going into it, Luo Zhong actively and deliberately controlled the framework of his party to give Ling Qi trouble either way she chose, and his intent wasn't malicious.

This summerises my thougths on the Luo Zhong event we had, i only think that the players could not have navigated the party any better with other choices because of the aforementionned controlled framework he created (you cant look good to other guests if you are setup to look out of your depth by the host).

Working with him on the white sky diplomacy will be dependent on the kind of position he wants, if he wants to financially back our venture for some help in politics with other count clans it's fine, if he wants front row seats at the next diplomatic meet then no that's a disaster in the making.
 
It is important to not forget the actual goals we have here.
I think the White Sky are great, and i hope for closer ties to them, but that's really only the means, not the end.
In the end, what were are going for is Cai Renxiang gaining greater standing in the Emerald Seas (Ling Qi getting the same would be a nice side benefit, but not really the main goal).
Yes, the diplomatic project must succeed, we fail at this and we will have hard time recovering, but we need to succeed in a way that does not tank us otherwise.

We have the Meng onboard in pretty big way already.
Getting the Bao involved will be relatively easy, they can smell the money province away and want a cut (we also have two Bao who we can use as intermediaries).
And i think we are in a pretty good place to not only get the Wang involved, but doing so in a way that creates a positive feedback loop giving us, Cai Renxiang, and Wang Chao greater standing with everyone involved as a side benefit.
We want the Luo onboard, and on the immediate future it means having to deal with Luo Zhong, not necessarily recruiting him, or even involving him in the project in anyway (i remain confidant that the Luo will be inserting potential advisors into the Cai dossiers), but we will need talk to him, listen to whatever he has to say, and respond in a way that can't be seen as an insult to the Luo clan (we might get a stealth insult aimed at Luo Zhong, but i doubt it would be worth the effort to try).

So think we are in pretty good position with 3 of the count clans already (even if we are at -1 with one of them), about to get a look at a 4th (who we have rank 1 reputation with due to the court vote, so that's a good start), and with official backing from Cai Shenhua herself, that puts us at 4 to 5 clans in our team, out of 7.

Not sure if there is anything we can do to really get Diao involved, not with the prime minister being who she is, probably some involvement if only to keep an eye on things.
I have no memory about the Jia, the court vote had them get +rep for military pragmatism, but they would not have disapproved of any options, so i assume that there will be a level of involvement here, depending on later actions we or Renxiang take.

On a more personal note, i'm thinking we should be working on the Bao, Wang, Luo and Meng reputations for Ling Qi.
We have a personal in with the Wang and the Bao, and we are, in our somewhat idiosyncratic way, a traditionalist like the Luo and Meng, so there's a connection there.
And if we can get the 4 out of 6 count reps to 2 or 3, i think that would make our political position pretty secure provided we do nohing to piss of Shenhua herself.
 
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Exactly when did we meet the first one?
Luo representative at the outer sect tournament.

'Big Sister shouldn't worry,' he replied in her thoughts, still sounding a little distracted. 'Zhengui will not distract Big Sister from important things.'

He was on edge about the sheer number of powerful people she was surrounded by, she could tell, but there was little she could do to really reassure him on the matter, not when she would be lying if she said that it didn't bother her at least a little as well.

At that moment, she as distracted from her thoughts as the tent flap opened, revealing one of the lightly armored guards, holding it open for a much older man. He was a spindly sort to her eye, with long limbs and a thin build, partially concealed by the ankle length cloak of soft leather worn over his shoulders, concealing the rest of his attire.

The man, who she recognized from Cai's description as Luo Jie, had narrow, severe features, marked by a surprising amount of wrinkles for a cultivator, mostly around his mouth and at the corners of his eyes. His head was clean shaven and bare, but a long thin gray mustache framed his frowning lips.

Ling Qi rose to her feet and offered a bow as the elderly cultivator, trying to ignore the man's unsettling aura. It felt like being alone and unarmed in the woods at night, while predatory eyes gleamed from within every shadow, his realm of power unreadable. "Eight Maiden's blessing on you Sir Luo," she said calmly, Sixiang's murmurs feeding her the right words. I offer my gratitude for this meeting, and the chance to offer my Lady's regards and well wishes."

The old man's head tilted slightly, his already half lidded eyes narrowing further as he examined her. "May the Dreamers attentions remain benign, child," he grunted, offering only a perfunctory nod in response to her bow as the guard allowed the flap of the tent to close behind. "You are Baroness Ling then?"

Sixiang felt a little huffy at his response, but Ling Qi forged on regardless. "I am, Sir Luo. I hope that my presence is satisfactory."

The old man waved a gnarled hand dismissively, picking his way across the thick carpet. "I accept your Lady's intentions, the question is, do you know them?" He asked, fixing her with a look that told her that he was not yet impressed.

Ling Qi hesitated a moment before straightening up and meeting his eyes. In a more normal situation, it would have been rude, but the families that followed the older ways had their own traditions. "Lady Cai believes I can more easily relate to you and yours, given my own affiliation with the moon."

Luo Jie smiled thinly in response. "You have a maiden with you, true, hiding in your thoughts, and the scent of moonlight on your skin. Do you imagine that privileges you, Baroness Ling?"

She hesitated for a moment, listening to Sixiang's whispers as she considered her answers. "Sir Luo, I am not of any of the old families, but I do regard the spirit we both revere as a patron," she replied quietly. "I cannot say I understand all of the differences between your ways and others… I have only just begun to learn the imperial ways after all," she began emphasizing that at the moment, she didn't really have a side. "I am of course, willing to receive instruction on these matters."

The older man crossed his arms under his cloak, studying her again. "Mmph, good enough," he grunted, seating himself cross legged atop one of the larger cushions. "Any voice not entirely bound by that rigid mindset is a boon. See that you retain your flexibility going forward."

"You can see which moons smile upon me, honored elder," she replied mildly, at Sixiang's prompting. "I will not lose sight of the value of an open mind," she finished, seating herself across from him.

Once again, he gave her a thin smile. "Under blinding light, there is little room for shadows, sleep, and secrets," he replied cryptically. "Be careful in your doings."

"Of course, Sir Luo," she said quietly. "I thank you for your advice."

"Hmph," the old man grunted in reply. "Regardless, I accept your Lady's gratitude and regards. Where there other matters you had to speak of?"

"Only a few," Ling Qi said. "First I have a proposal from the Wang clan regarding new livestock populations captured in recent action against the Cloud tribes. She believes this may serve to improve provincial unity, so she asks that you will give the matter some thought..."

The rest of her meeting went by quickly enough, with the taciturn Luo representative agreeing to consider the matters Cai Renxiang had asked her to bring up, and soon enough she was on her way, being dismissed from the Luo compound and it's slightly unsettling inhabitants.
Atleast i liked the guy.
 
Bad first impressions matter and until Luo Zhong makes it up to us, we're not friends. But we will 100% have to work with assholes as a Baroness of the empire and as a clan head, so being quick to hold grudges is professionally unacceptable.

For only ever reaching out to us when we top the rumor mill, Luo Zhong gets a "meh", cause that's how prestige works. For pulling that mean girls shit: inviting us to hang with his crew, letting his bestie diss us and putting us on the spot to choose the itinerary, LZ gets the side eye. For stressing best snek's girl, LZ can fuck right off. (LQ is totally triggered by that type of behavior).

LZ only comes to us when he has something to gain, but that's what business is. Brother Bao and Gu Tai came to gain a business opportunity and / or a talented wife. Both noticed our skittishness and said hey, I won't be pushy, let's slowly build a rapport. Neither tried to jam us up at a public event. LZ is after a family alliance with BQ which involves business merger and probably a 9 month rental of womb space. IIRC LZ told BQ that he wasn't romantically interested in her either. First, dude's konkatsu game is broke. 2nd, not knowing your audience's preferences is poor practice for a negotiator, and just duchey for a suitor. (Like knowing BQ at all would show LZ that mansplaining the benefits of a clan merger in her face in public is the worst possible approach). But LZ doesn't see BQ as a person, she's just an asset. He also treated us like an asset rather than a friend at the party. When they first called us out, CRX pledged to earn our loyalty, Suyin humbly requested an exchange of services and Meng gave us face by personally requesting a favor and supporting our spirit. Whether peer, or elder, they approached with sincerity and without pretense. In contrast, Luo trolled us to "take our measure" as if judging a commodity worthy of investment. I dun think LZ's hitherto shown temperament jives well with intercultural negotiations or with how we want Ling clan to run. Let your big dog flex on momma Ling or that Wu clown badmouth our servant girls... see what happens.
Finally, Luo lands are far from ours and contains only a small stretch of southern border mountains . So re: emengency reinforcements and land management expertise, having a pocket scion from the Wang or Meng is much better.

However, before we made the effort to be friendly, Wang Chao came off as an inconsiderate jerk as well (hopefully his fan girl will train that out of him). And we made Lan Lan our 2nd bestie despite her mean girl shit. Besides, we did enjoy LZ's party. So there's potential for developing a social link. We shouldn't needlessly snub him now. Let him come and make his pitch. Maybe we'll pick up Alingge, or a cool beef cake cousin. He still hasn't earned the friends discount for any favors, so he better come prepared to pay up. And if he wants to bully us in public like he did BQ, then with best snek at our back, we put put him in the dirt... I mean exchange some pointers.
 
I'm having trouble thinking of a realistic offer he could have that would make me interested in him coming along on a diplomatic mission, but there doesn't seem to be any reason to assume that's what he wants to talk about. His intent here could range from finally giving up on Qingling and turning his sights onto Ling Qi as a marriage prospect, to working as a go-between for his clan at large.

While I dislike him somewhat OOC, and don't think it'd make much sense IC to bring along someone who made a worse first impression on Ling Qi than a Bai for diplomatic meetings with a foreign power, I also don't think that he's so awful that his actions here reflect poorly on his clan. He's kind of annoying and rather rude, but sometimes that's just how people are. I won't be voting to do him any favors, but I can see making a deal with him.
 
We really don't know what Lou wants right now. He could just want an in at the auction. It's likely he's here about ice lady stuff, but we don't really know.
 
I feel like the discussion of Luo Zhou as a diplomat (or for that matter any Luo as a diplomat) is a little premature, as not all investment in the ongoing diplomacy is going to be diplomats (that would just be dumb). Like the Wang's overall priorities on this issue up to this point has been military focused rather than scholarship or culture, so they're unlikely to be initially interested in providing someone to talk to the White Sky on their behalf. Further their concessions in Renxiang's diplomacy will also likely to be militarily focused, either angling for military intelligence against the tribes they're fighting, or for more substantive treaties with the White Sky. Meanwhile the Bao are going want to send a economist or a merchant to negotiate trade with the White Sky, and they're likely going to want Renxiang to assist in those trade negotiations either by negotiating tariffs with Shenhua, or negotiating with the White Sky to build a road out from their territory to the meeting point in exchange.
 
I think everyone is going to be sending diplomats, it's just diplomats with different agendas.
Wang want a secure (expanded?) border and pacified cloud nomads (lot of nasty implications here, let's avoid the subject), so at minimum they want ears on the table to get an early warning on any duplicity, and possible someone who can learn more about the white sky methods of dealing with their barbarian issues.
Bao want trade, and trade deals mean having diplomats talk to each other to make those trade deals possible, and having someone elses diplomat do the talking means they get the first pick of deals.
No clue what the Jia want, they might be ok with just an observer to make sure nothing goes wrong without them knowing it asap.
Diao probably want the whole thing to burn down, but i think they are too loyal to (afraid of?) Shenhua to do anything that can be traced back to them. Observers at minimum, possible a diplomat who will be an asshole to everyone, if we're lucky we'll get someone who can be convinced of this being a good idea.

Meng and the Luo are tricky. I think they have gotten their main goal simply from Shenhua making the imperial factions shut up at court.
Trade is probably not a main concern, though they are not going just leave money on the table. I suspect they are mostly in it to gain influence for non imperial factions and strengthen their position in the court (but then everyone is in for that).

Only faction i can think of who might not want a diplomat in the negotiations is Jia, and that is because i have no idea what, if anything, they want.
And i think they are going to want a diplomat of their own in the talks just to make sure nobody else gets something over them.

Other than the Wang and Bao, i think most factions care little for the White Sky (for now), and are more interested in positioning themselves in court using the diplomatic efforts as a way to court favor, or sabotage others, than actually gain any concrete benefit from the White Sky.
I also think that once they actually realise how big the polar gates confederation is, they will get lot more interested in the White Sky themselves, even if only to make sure nobody else gets a better deal.
 
Cult of the Living Mountain

Let us now turn our attention to a particularly insidious proscribed cult that has its roots within the Imperial Territories inside of the Wall, and, unfortunately, has been found inside the Emerald Seas proper. The Cult of the Living Mountain. These fanatics take the accepted veneration of the Living Mountain and twist it into something destructive, dangerous, and damning. As such, it stands to reason that understanding the basics of how the Living Mountain is venerated will shed insight into how the Cult acts and why.

For the less knowledgeable among you, the Living Mountain is a potent spirit of the Ling clan which makes its home inside the many valleys of the Wall, the barrier that houses the Emerald Seas' most tenacious foe, the Cloud Nomads. Most peculiarly, the Living Mountain is a type of land-dwelling Xuanwu, hence the common naming scheme between it and the Living Isle, and is a spirit exemplifying renewal. Specifically with the qi aspected by fire and wood. The existence and efforts of the Living Mountain act as a lesser example of what Xiangmen is known to do, provide potent vitality and fertility to the surrounding lands. This allows previously unfarmable land to be fertile enough for consistent farming. Many farmers in the area, therefore, venerate the Living Mountain as a potent provider and protector. This is encouraged by the Ling clan with the "Festival of Flaming Fields" where communities will burn a tithe of the first fruits of the harvest to the Living Mountain and then scorch their fields, burning the old to prepare the land for new growth in spring. This sacrifice is said to be especially pleasing and resonant to the Living Mountain as it aligns neatly with his nature.

These sacrifices and rites, however, are the limit to what is acceptable to the Living Mountain and the governing authorities. But others have become too fanatical in their worship of the spirit, and it is from these delusions that the Cult of the Living Mountain was formed. Lao Chu, may his body and soul rot and stagnate for five hundred generations, is the first recognized leader of the cult. It was by his actions that disparate and divergent fanatics were brought together under one organization with a singular goal and teaching: ensuring the Living Mountain's ascension to a sublime spirit is of apocalyptic proportions so that the world can be broken and renewed.

As such, we shall first turn to their symbology and methodology, then to their history and breaking, and then finally to their current influence and spread.

Symbology and Methodology

It is good, at least for the governing authorities, that the adherents to the Cult of the Living Mountain are most traditionally farmers and uneducated laborers. This means that the level of sophistication in recruiting attempts. As a result, the symbols used to denote the worshippers and locations of worship are simple, at least compared to the various Hui cults which still hide within the Emerald Seas. The most commonly seen symbol, therefore, is a simple artistic representation of fire inside of a triangle, an overly simplistic representation of a mountain.

However, just because the majority of symbols are simple, does not mean there are not more complicated possibilities known. The personal symbol of Lao Chu, may the great spirits deny his soul peace for five hundred generations, was an eye ablaze, signifying enlightenment found within the inferno; the Cult's base inside Crimson Peach Mountain had a symbol of a charred peach tree; the group who works on refining the rites of the Cult have a symbol of a flaming compass. There are others, as I'm sure you can gather, but I will not waste any more breath on expounding further on these various symbols. If you wish to learn more, there are scholars within the Ling clan and within Xiangmen who are very knowledgable on the greater variety of the symbols within the Cult.

Turning our attention to methodologies of the Cult, however, sheds some particular insights into how cults of this sort gather support and attempt to accomplish their deranged goals. There are two common means by which they propagate their beliefs and recruit their followers. As a first option, they entice men with brotherhood and camaraderie which communities deny the outcast, or they entice the jealous with knowledge beyond that of their neighbors. The second option, however, is only possible because of the already limited veneration of the Living Mountain; acting as legal authority, cult members will draw the uneducated but faithful from outlying villages and towns into their clutches. This can be particularly troublesome as communication with these outer settlements can be difficult and cumbersome, making unmasking the deceit difficult promptly.

In addition, while the rites and sacraments that the cult engages in could be considered a part of their methodology, as it is the methods by which they attempt to reach their goal, the less said about such practices the better. They are twisted and debased versions of the proper rites to appease spirits within Imperial lands. Most often involving the immolation of still-living flesh, human or otherwise. Should you be placed in the unfortunate position of attempting to root out a branch of this cult, seek guidance from more experienced investigators to acquire a better understanding of when, where, and how these rites are performed.

History and Breaking

Unlike most proscribed cults, the foundation and history of the Cult of the Living Mountain is well known and researched. The Ling Clan especially has a vested interest in understanding the past of this cult to better be prepared in divining where they will next attempt their perverse and destructive schemes. As such, considerable resources have been spent and exhaustive research has been conducted that has created a fairly accurate picture of the cult's past.

The Founder of the cult, Lao Chu, may the land his ashes were scattered across be barren for five hundred generations, was a talented youth from one of the newer villages nestled within the Wall. Mere months before he joined the Blue Mountain Sect, he witnessed the cataclysmic power of the Living Mountain when it ascended to the Violet Realm. Unfortunately for everyone, a fragment of shell landed near him and he became obsessed with the power behind the Living Mountain. Journals of his that were recovered describe a sick fascination and belief that the Great Spirits themselves had given him a divine task to unshackle the Living Mountain from the Ling Clan, cleansing the land with its power in the process.

Taking this twisted goal to heart, he secreted away the piece of shell and joined the Blue Mountain Sect, delving deep into lessons, classes, and practices of becoming a Monk ordained by his sect. Records indicate that he was a driven student, who quickly gained the privilege of being instructed in the higher mysteries kept by monks of the Blue Mountain Sect. Notes from the instructors indicate that he was talented and charismatic quickly befriending others in the program and becoming the most skillful in appeasing various spirits. Little did anyone know, Lao Chu was also modifying and defiling the rituals and sacraments he had gained access to in order to achieve his twisted ends.

Graduating from the program, he accepted a high-ranking position within the Imperial Ministry of Spiritual Affairs. He never made it to his assigned location, instead fleeing into the Wall with the gifts and other resources the Blue Mountain Sect gave him for his achievements. For decades, he amassed a following of believers, using his training to manipulate local spirits into hiding his activities and providing shelter for his followers. Carving a monastery redoubt into the Crimson Peach Mountain, Lao Chu collected tribute from surrounding towns and villages who thought their piety was helping to establish a local temple to the Living Mountain. Much to their dismay, once Lao Chu ascended to the Cyan realm, he turned on them, using the very geomatic arrangement the villages were organized under to fuel a powerful sacrifice to the Living Mountain.

It was only the sacrifice of the Hero Wen Kang that averted complete disaster. While only a simple village elder, having retired with honors from the Argent Sect Military service, he noticed what was occurring and ran with all speed to the nearest Ministry of Communication branch. Braving attacks from cult members and hostile spirits, he reached the office with a foot already over death's threshold. With his dying breath, he expressed the need for immediate assistance in the area and what was occurring. The Ministry, rightfully recognizing the severity of the situation, authorized the use of emergency communication and teleportation relays allowing Ling military forces in the area.

Ling Qian answered the call and marshaled her forces for an immediate assault upon Crimson Peach Mountain. Entire companies of soldiers began to march to the mountain while Ling Qian took an advance force through the Liminal Realm to stall the ritual until reinforcements had arrived. Arriving in time to stop the initial initiation of the ritual, Ling Qian began to engage in hit and run encounters, buying time for more soldiers to arrive and preventing key aspects of the ritual from being completed. While it took days of these types of engagements, Ling Qian was successful and the military might within the area was focused upon Crimson Peach Mountain.

After securing the villages around the mountain, Ling Qian ordered the assault against the monastery redoubt. Lao Chu met her assault on the peak of the mountain while cultists and soldiers battled fervently for control over the monastery itself. Breaking through living walls of flame, and other defenses within the mountain, the soldiers eventually prevailed and secured the entire mountain, turning its defenses against Lao Chu. While the monastery defenses had allowed Lao Chu to hold his ground against Ling Qian's assault upon his person, once the defenses were turned against him instead, the end quickly came. Once Lao Chu was slain and his body secured, the full might of Ling Qian's military forces could be used to purge the remaining area around the mountain of cultists hiding within the villages they were planning on sacrificing to the Living Mountain.

Unfortunately, while this daring assault and victory by Ling Qian broke the centralized organization of the Cult, it was discovered in the following investigation just how large of a problem Lao Chu had caused. The Cult of the Living Mountain had spread its teachings far and wide within the Wall, creating hideaways and smaller temples which only Lao Chu knew the full spread of. Furthermore, it became apparent that, unlike other cults, the Cult of the Living Mountain attempted to create as many copies of the arts, rituals, and sacraments they used in their attempt to achieve the cult's goals to spread to each hideout. Ensuring that even a single hideout would be able to become the next Crimson Peach Mountain.

Current Influence and Spread

Truly knowing the full spread of the cult is impossible, as they have taken Lao Chu's teachings to heart, ensuring that only Lao Chu knows the full spread of their work. Given that Lao Chu is dead and burned, this makes finding the disparate parts of the cult almost impossible. This also means, however, that greater organization between the groups comprising of the cult is not feasible. Lacking this greater structural organization in their cult is a boon to the greater Empire, however, as many of the larger-scale rituals and sacrifices the cult wishes to use require resources that the small independent branches simply can not provide without collaboration.

Unfortunately for the Empire, the cult seems to be spreading. Minor ritual sites for the cult have been uncovered all throughout the Wall and individuals attempting to promote the cult have been arrested within the Emerald Seas proper, even as far as territory controlled by the Diao. The politics and culture of the Emerald Seas also allow the cult to flourish whereas it would wither in territories like the Thousand Lakes. A history of friction between the multitude of factions within the Emerald Seas and the legacy of the perverse Hui create a landscape where minor nobility will secretly assist the Cult in return for destabilizing a rival or for favors in the future. Even the very public execution of nobles caught doing just that has not seemed to convince those who believe themselves too clever to be caught that such activities will not be tolerated.

As it stands, however, the Ling Clan and the Blue Mountain Sect have established an extremely close relationship, both seeing the spread of this cult as a blight that must be curtailed. More monks graduating from the Blue Mountain Sect than ever have received patronage from the Ling Clan in an effort to provide an alternative to the cult for their more fringe populations and the Blue Mountain Sect has begun powerful divination efforts based upon the information found in Crimson Peach Mountain which are bearing fruit in locating areas where the cult has, are, or will attempt to perform their rituals and sacraments. It is this author's hope that with continued cooperation between the Ling Clan and the Blue Mountain Sect the Cult of the Living Mountain can be firmly stamped out.

A/N: @yrsillar another omake for the omake throne! Here is an attempt to show what problems could occur down the line as Zhengui continues to grow and become a dominant part of the spirit ecosystem. Also, this is a take on how proscribed cults within the Empire might form and just how problematic they could be. I hope you all enjoy the read!

Conspiracy theory: this was all a plot by blue mountains to secure funding.

No means no.
Once a woman (or man) has told you that your courting (or flirting) is unwelcome, it is time to stop, and any further continuation of the previous activity is harassment.

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Luo Zhong is the guy who keeps harassing a specific woman at public gatherings while being constantly that they are not interested.
Trying to argue that his actions are fine is basicly saying that a woman going outside is an open invitation to flirt with them and they get no say in it.

I normally would be in complete agreement with you, but in some historical contexts, women playing "hard to get" and testing the guy's persistence and commitment/ showing modesty and reservation and that they are not "easy to get" was genuinely how things were done. Now, we as a current society have realized that this is toxic and works to create bad expectations and relationships, but that is true about the way several things were done in certain places in certain times.

Mind you, I dunno if that is something that applies or applied in ancient China, never mind fantasy ancient China with more egalitarianism and more cultural divergence, just commenting that there is a social context that justifies this kind of behaviour even to someone who is not an asshole, because some societies encourage(d) the whole "if he didn't persist after I told him no he wasn't the one" that is nowadays rightfully lambasted.

I am also not speaking in defense of that cultural norm, like I said, it is a font for toxicity, just for people operating under assumptions instilled to them by toxic social norms that perpetuate this kind of behavior. A culture where words mean what words mean and that should be clear for everyone makes misunderstanding harder, and makes the wrongful party much more easy to determine. Luo Zhong would definitely be extremely unpleasant (to put it as lightly as possible) in a modern context, I just am not sure about the Emerald Fields context, however.
 
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I normally would be in complete agreement with you, but in some historical contexts, women playing "hard to get" and testing the guy's persistence and commitment/ showing modesty and reservation and that they are not "easy to get" was genuinely how things were done. Now, we as a current society have realized that this is toxic and works to create bad expectations and relationships, but that is true about the way several things were done in certain places in certain times.

Mind you, I dunno if that is something that applies or applied in ancient China, never mind fantasy ancient China with more egalitarianism and more cultural divergence, just commenting that there is a social context that justifies this kind of behaviour even to someone who is not an asshole, because some societies encourage the whole "if he didn't persist after I told him no he wasn't the one" that is nowadays rightfully lambasted.

I am also not speaking in defense of that cultural norm, like I said, it is a font for toxicity, just for people operating under assumptions instilled to them by toxic social norms that perpetuate this kind of behavior. A culture where words mean what words mean and that should be clear for everyone makes misunderstanding harder, and makes the wrongful party much more easy to determine. Luo Zhong would definitely be extremely unpleasant (to put it as lightly as possible) in a modern context, I just am not sure about the Emerald Fields context, however.
I am fully aware of the source of "playing hard to get" stereotype, and how it is used as an excuse to not accept a no when given, and worse.

I have no reason to assume that this is the case with Luo Zhong and Bao Qingling interactions.
And access to social arts would make it pretty weird for Luo Zhong to be unable to do this basic level of communication, or Bao Qingling to be unable to send the message that, no, she is not interested.

We have examples of courting in the empire, it usually means letters, intermediaries, contracts between families, inviting people to tea in public.
Harassing people at an event thrown by a third party is not, as far as i can tell, the appropriate action.
I don't think there is any need to try finding some cultural context that makes the behaviour understandable, we can understand his behaviour just fine without any differing cultural values.
 
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