Sibling role in the clan is different than emotionally being our sister like Meizhen is. It's essentially stating we can't treat her as a complete subordinate. Apologies if this isn't what you mean, but you seem to be implying that by adopting her, she's automatically going to be as close to us as Meizhen/CRX/Xiulan, and while that may happen eventually, I disagree that that should be a given or a requirement for adoption.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Its a geography thing, not a soil quality thing. The fief is likely in the foothills of the Wall, which means rocky, uneven terrain. Should make for interesting geography, and its unlikely to be ALL rocky(if nothing else you could level a plateau or ledge to plant on), but theres going to be a relatively high percentage of rocky terrain unsuited to plowing that you could graze herd animals on.
Ling Qi is not her guardian, but she will have some obligation to her, just like any good leader has for his people. This does not mean we have to buy her out, but she isn't just our servant. We need to see for her needs, and come to her aid when needed
And it also means that our political goal are pretty much the same. We are part of the same organization/faction, and we are to further our interests. Ling Qi is the head, thus making all decisions, and having authority over the others. But we are both part of the clan. Much like a combination of real world nonle houses(which many times weren't any real family in practice, as blood relations were too far), nations and political parties
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I think that our fief is probably going to operate on frontier rules, in the sense that we can have all the land we want as long as we can protect it.
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I wasn't really going for an emotional point at all, I realize that adopting her isn't going to magically make her a bosom buddy. But regardless of what we personally think of her, if we're doing this my understanding is that she will be family, and that comes with certain responsibilities for Ling Qi as Matriarch. If anything she'll be closer than any of those 3, albeit in a different way. We aren't hiring her, we're folding her into the family. I just think we should be prepared to treat her like part of the family, regardless of our bond level.
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It's be preferable for long term benefits to allow Yu Nuan to fulfill her term of service with the Sect while instead using the resources to help fund the general Clan members' growth and thus Yu Nuan's survival while also reaping the benefits of her experience and reputation amongst the Sect forces.
The amount of personal connections and gossip one gains from even a single major tour of duty IRL is huge if one socializes enough. And with Ling Qi focusing on the foreign issues for now and the coming time it would benefit to have someone in the regular forces.
The amount of personal connections and gossip one gains from even a single major tour of duty IRL is huge if one socializes enough. And with Ling Qi focusing on the foreign issues for now and the coming time it would benefit to have someone in the regular forces.
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I don't think it is in anyway certain that Yu Nuan paying her tuition through military service is to anyones benefit, except maybe the sect.
We pay her military service, and she can then go and earn resources elsewhere, potentially seeing much greater benefits from the ability to take advantage of opportunities instead of going where her superrior officers tell her to.
We really should take some time to actually look into this instead of just making statements on what is or is not most beneficial to whomever.
Also ask Yu Nuan about it before doing anything.
We pay her military service, and she can then go and earn resources elsewhere, potentially seeing much greater benefits from the ability to take advantage of opportunities instead of going where her superrior officers tell her to.
We really should take some time to actually look into this instead of just making statements on what is or is not most beneficial to whomever.
Also ask Yu Nuan about it before doing anything.
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I'm sorry if I gave the opposite impression, but I voted for adoption, you don't need to tell me the first bit. Sentorian and I were arguing about the future, not this vote.
Our fief will be located on the the imperial border. This obviously means that the land is almost completely untamed and full of dangerous spirits and beasts. If we leave the area without having at least one Green subordinate to keep a lid on things, there's a non-zero chance that our household and mortal subjects are all dead when we return.
So yeah, we should definitely pay Nyan's debt to the sect and take her with us when we leave. Otherwise we are going to have to hire some other Green anyway.
So yeah, we should definitely pay Nyan's debt to the sect and take her with us when we leave. Otherwise we are going to have to hire some other Green anyway.
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[X] Yu Nuan is not as skilled as you but she is driven and trustworthy, you think. Tentative acceptance, assuming conditions allow
...I don't think the vote has closed yet?
...I don't think the vote has closed yet?
Greens are needed to provide assistance with the wards when something catastrophic happens to them. They don't actually need to be on site the entire time to keep a location safe and wards are a pretty mature imperial technology.
We'll definitely want to regularly clear out nearby hostile Greens and come to terms with the local Cyans and above but that's a task that is mostly an upfront cost.
Eventually getting Yu Nuan to our fief will be helpful but it isn't worth cutting her time at the sect short. It might be worth cutting short her time in the military.
Ling Qi is also more likely to ally with the more accepting of those spirits and beasts, so our fief might remain relatively wild. Meaning we'd might have both wilder (and thus more valuable and powerful) beasts and definitely greater predators threatening them. Meaning a strong protector with an appreciation of the rebellious and a shepherding canine with a thunderous bark would be perfect. Yu Nuan ranges and keep tabs on the beast population, Hanyi communes with the lesser spirits, Ling Qi treats with the greater spirits and beasts with their own domains and families and Su Ling provides early warnings against attack.
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Yeah- I think the interesting thing that we are seeing right now is the consequences of us helping our support network succeed in what they want- they have their own goals that take them away from ling qi. The new Gu Heiress, the Spiritblood Diviner, and Arach-necro Artificer are our friends and allies, but they aren't going to be nearby. Even Bai Menzhien is going to become more distant.
And I think that trying to hold onto them, to turn friend into family, is likely to strain or bonds.
I think the best time to bring Su Ling into our family is just after we have helped her track down and deal with her fox spirit mother, when she turns to think about what to do next.
I disagree. I absolutely think we should bring her into the family fully, with open hearts and arms.
First reason is Yu herself. We know she has had basically nothing and no one since her grandfather passed, and her view of the world has been built around the pain that is caused by the fallout of other's strife. I think a huge part of why she didn't understand what we were trying to get across in the first musical duel is that she didn't have anything like our nest metaphor- a place to build and be happy in, in the moment-to-moment of life. (Her elemental similarity to Lan-Lan hints at this too.) So when we, some rando who showed her up in a duel and then (she thought at the time) sent a spirit to mess with her for weeks after, demand a public apology but hand her a green spirit stone in return, then are willing to be intimate enough to carry her up into the clouds for her spirit- I think she looks at us and sees the chance of that nest she is missing.
Second is Ling Qi. She has learned, through this whole story, that she is more and better when she is not alone. Her build is about bonds and those choose to her- but her friends in the sect are going to live the lives we helped them attain. So all of a sudden Ling Qi is going to be bereft of a lot of her support network, and while I dearly love our liege and like the squad she is putting together for herself, they aren't going to be friends in the same way Lan-Lan or Bai are. So I want a new peer to go shopping with, and relax in hot springs, and talk honestly too. I think there is a sister-shaped hope in our lives that is already empty of Lan-Lan, and going to get emptier as we move away from the sect. A husband would be nice, but there is a tribulation at least between Ling Qi and intimacy with a man, I think. So I want Yu Nulan for the chance she really could be a younger sister to us.
About that, do we know for sure if adopting Yu Nuan would cut short her time with the military or the sect. I don't know if that's been confirmed yet.
It would not. However, as Clan Head, it would put us in a position to decide to if we had the resources to pay for it. A lot of people want to take her with us when we leave the sect but that has a lot of costs.
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You're right that we could adopt YN n pay to save her from military service but still allow her to continue studying at argent. However Argent inner sect rules say disciples are obligated to cooperate with military.
Also, Yrs explanation at end of turn 11 basically says we have a degree of choice in which people to take with us on the diplomat / barony route. (Like, GG's a hard yes n best snek's a hard no, but we can probably try n cajole SuSu or Ma2). If our choice to adopt YN doesn't bring her on our route at turn 18, then it's kind of meaningless to the narrative. So adoption most likely means we're ordering a budget backup bard to go.
Meizhen will probably be hanging out with us, likely as a continuation of building a relationship with the Cai
It's quite likely to happen, as the Bai may be quite interested in the Cai new allies, and Meizhrn is close, has some respect, and is not a high enough level to make the ice ladies freak out
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I agree in principle. My idea with Zhengui is that he might be able to make rocky soil functional with the increase in nutrients he provides. Still a long shot though.