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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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FakePriest said:
Meth Math Cabal hoping for some special event. I hope too, but well, even one more site would be okay with me, because every time we get one it's at least partially relevant. Dark site for Ling Qi and Hanui would be perfect.
On another hand how much we really can change Art with just 1 AP? I'm somewhat sceptic, especially if our timetable is so tight that we can't repeat it.
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We need a number of successes dependent on the art's potency in order to change one keyword about the art, which is all that has been suggested be done, and with HDW we can do that with one AP. More than one AP doesn't do or really get us anything except changing more keywords, and we don't want to do that.
 
BungieONI said:
We need a number of successes dependent on the art's potency in order to change one keyword about the art, which is all that has been suggested be done, and with HDW we can do that with one AP. More than one AP doesn't do or really get us anything except changing more keywords, and we don't want to do that.
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But you don't know what the result would be?
 
FakePriest said:
But you don't know what the result would be?
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The consequence of art modding at this level is that we only get a certain domain based set of possible replacements. Pick one keyword, put in the AP required, receive a curated list of replacement keywords. Communications, the keyword that people want, is possibly on the table given Ling Qi's domain.

That's the best we're going to get pretty much, and if we break HDW, oh well we've lost basically nothing and spent time doing something as a learning activity.
 
BungieONI said:
The consequence of art modding at this level is that we only get a certain domain based set of possible replacements. Pick one keyword, put in the AP required, receive a curated list of replacement keywords. Communications, the keyword that people want, is possibly on the table given Ling Qi's domain.

That's the best we're going to get pretty much, and if we break HDW, oh well we've lost basically nothing and spent time doing something as a learning activity.
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Well if I had any say in LQ's time table I would suggest waiting for workshop so there is less chance of breaking anything.
Also did modified Art gets any potency?
Huo Yuhao said:
We already have all our arts covered through our other sites (though I'm not sure about Hanyi). A site that's good enough could still be helpful, but it would have to be better in some way than the sites we already have.
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Where do you see Dark site in our site list? Cold site? Maybe Fire site for Zhengui? We didn't have any of that.
 
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FakePriest said:
Well if I had any say in LQ's time table I would suggest waiting for workshop so there is less chance of breaking anything.
Also did modified Art gets any potency?
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Breaking anything is actually pretty irrelevant if its HDW, it is an art we use for one technique, and Spring Breeze Canto does not compare that favorably to other things we could do. This is completely and entirely a side project meant to make use of 1 extra AP we have freed up from Spiritual Cultivation, because 4 AP on it this turn is a waste of time and effort that doesn't get us to Green 5 any faster. The Art Workshop is placed poorly enough that its not really going to be helpful, except possibly for successors, and there isn't really much we can do about that.

As for increased potency, no there is none mentioned, but it also doesn't matter too much. The function it takes of squad comms for the tourney doesn't need too much potency.

I'm taking it because I like the narrative of fiddling with something low consequence before successor creation, and even if we break something we're still going to be learning lessons which is what I actually care about, and possible interaction with Bian Ya.
 
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FakePriest said:
Well if I had any say in LQ's time table I would suggest waiting for workshop so there is less chance of breaking anything.
Also did modified Art gets any potency?

Where do you see Dark site in our site list? Cold site? Maybe Fire site for Zhengui? We didn't have any of that.
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We don't have any art that's only Darkness based. SNR is covered by our Lake/Water site, for example (and we can't use multiple sites for the same art). Cold can be treated as either Darkness or Water, so UGM and WHR are also taken care of.

I'm not entirely sure how our spirits interact with sites. It's possible a Fire site for Zhengui could help.
 
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BungieONI said:
Something this fight also showed off in amusing clarity is how qi efficient Ling Qi's set up is, because she pulled out all of her stuff and was still fine even after a precipitous drop in qi from Black Mirror. There was no internal narration about her being tired or spent, whereas Ji Rong got worn down trying to fight up hill and ran out of gas at the end there.

There was a distinct feeling of her defense being much more energy efficient than his offense I think.
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I think that's the natural tradeoff / the entire point of playing defense. You give up initiative in return for resource efficiency. If your defense is not more resource efficient than the opponent's offense (relative to your respective totals) then it's a tier difference and you lose even if your defense is perfect. Offense meanwhile just has to get through / around defenses enough.

Thor's Twin said:
It's also, I feel, a distinct advantage of having incredible amounts of qi for her stage of cultivation. Our qi is pretty ridiculous for not having actively trained it at all.
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I want to say, I don't think in this case "we didn't spend AP on it" means "never actively trained it". We successfully combined/alternated it with other things which resulted in us getting qi XP without blocking out dedicated time for it. Ling Qi cultivates when she eats, cultivates when she sleeps, cultivates when she walks, cultivates when she talks. She's the most efficient qi cultivator around!

Uuuugh I'm so torn on the vote. I want both! Exploration is a Moon thing, but HDW modding is also attractive ;~;
 
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We can take the family out to explorate the moon map. with su ling she can divine and predict the way so is not to dangerous
Plus mom is already red soul
Then we use family AP for adventure and talk to su ling help her
Train mod one art with bian ya and train mom talk about zhengui character arcs for every one
 
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Faceless said:
We can take the family out to explorate the moon map. with su ling she can divine and predict the way so is not to dangerous
Plus mom is already red soul
Then we use family AP for adventure and talk to su ling help her
Train mod one art with bian ya and train mom talk about zhengui character arcs for every one
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We can't. The map is capital D dangerous, in that these are sites that Xin anticipates to be Interesting to a powerful Green cultivator. Which, if you may recall, is nearly lethal to Reds.
 
Faceless said:
We have a teleportation talisman
And su ling can see the future
Maybe mom is luck and find one spirit partner
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While it may be neat in theory, taking Ling Qi's mom on an adventure isn't practical or useful. Any site, pill, or trial that would benefit her would be near useless to us, and any site, pill, or trial useful to us would be worst than useless for her, and may actively harm her if she tried to use it.

Furthermore, we've seen that Su Ling's divination, while useful, are still limited sharply by the questions that she can ask and the massive amount of preparations needed. Quite frankly, while Su Ling might be willing to go exploring with us, she would probably balk at the needed time to do proper divinations of safety if we would want to bring our mother.

Getting sites or pills to help our mother is much simpler than using the New Moon map to explore the inner sect. Heck, at his stage of cultivation even Zhengui might be able to act as a sort of psuedo site for a weak red cultivator working on a wood cultivation art. But getting our Mother out exploring the inner sect with us just seems unwise.

Even if she found a spirit willing to bond with her, she couldn't until she is yellow, and that is a long way off if it ever comes. No, I just don't think it is a wise idea to bring a weak red cultivator out exploring in the Inner Sect.
 
In a real way, with how we talk about rich young masters (or misses), that's kind of what Mom is right now. She's getting all the spirit stones and medicines that we can afford. We could hire people to take her out to a vent to cultivate, for crying out loud, even sharing the location with a few outer sect disciples in exchange for taking Mom along.

Reverse nepotism?
 
BungieONI said:
We won't have the time. It is quite literally, do it now, or don't if we want to stay on the time table we're on.
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I don't think so? Now, I'm not actually a member of the math cabal - but IIRC the explanation for why we could split off an AP off was that we only needed 15 AP rather than 16 AP to get to the next level, which means we could delay this for up to 3-4 turns without any effect on our schedule.

So as long as we managed to jump 27 ranks inside 3 turns we could split the AP off turn 4 for art modding with the benefit of the workshops. It's a little implausible to jump ranks quite that fast, but quite possible if we get another big mission for the Sect and do well on it.

/pedant
 
me.me.here said:
I don't think so? Now, I'm not actually a member of the math cabal - but IIRC the explanation for why we could split off an AP off was that we only needed 15 AP rather than 16 AP to get to the next level, which means we could delay this for up to 3-4 turns without any effect on our schedule.

So as long as we managed to jump 27 ranks inside 3 turns we could split the AP off turn 4 for art modding with the benefit of the workshops. It's a little implausible to jump ranks quite that fast, but quite possible if we get another big mission for the Sect and do well on it.

/pedant
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That would require restructuring this turnplan so that we spent 4 AP on Spiritual Cultivation this turn and saved the free AP for later, which, uh, good luck getting through at this point in the voting.

That said, I am with you that technically correct is the best kind of correct.

Anyway, I'm going to be traveling today and so not much time for effortposting, but I will reiterate that I strongly believe that getting some experience with art modding before we either want to do it for real on an art that matters to us (which we may near the end of Green) or engage in the more advanced technique of making our own successor art. There's no mechanical requirement, but I expect the experience to pay off narratively.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Furthermore, we've seen that Su Ling's divination, while useful, are still limited sharply by the questions that she can ask and the massive amount of preparations needed. Quite frankly, while Su Ling might be willing to go exploring with us, she would probably balk at the needed time to do proper divinations of safety if we would want to bring our mother.
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Su Ling: "You know how the last two adventures went right?"
 
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