Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I'm pretty sure Ling Qi has tutored Hanyi in her version of FSS before?
When? Cause I'm pretty sure that never happened.

Anyway, mostly I'm sick of this idea that arts are the way we need to connect to ZG. There have been narrative opportunities, and arts he could have benefited from, but never any results. Unless Yrs hands us the exact right at art, I doubt it will accomplish anything, assuming it's even possible to begin with, which is something I am pretty skeptical of.
 
In fairness, it would look really weird to not go with Wang at this juncture. His question to us is, uh, it's rhetorical. He's not actually requesting that we join him in the pavilion. It's a polite formality acknowledging that we'll be doing that. The social and political expectation is that we go chat to people. Supporters of the vote are in no way wrong about that. Going off to hang out with Alingge and the spirits is inherently socially invalid. Picking Zhengui here is wrong. We'd be in the wrong to do so.

But that's the whole problem.
That's unfair to Allingge, who is doing just that. Yes, going to the Pavillon is the expected thing to do for a specific type of noble interactions that Wang Chao wants, but it's also not socially invalid to chose not to do so, or else all the nobles who aren't choosing that options would be social invalid, and I don't think that's a fair argument at all.

Allingge isn't a social recluse here. In fact, she is arguably playing the social game better than Wang Chao.

The argument I have against this is time and place. There is time and place for everything. Is talking about personal problems while surrounded by people you don't know a good idea? Likely not, especially if your jumping into the conversation cold turkey.

If I was a preteen and my mom dragged me off to another mom after a sports event and started talking about the problems we were having while we were surrounded by my peers I would mortified and angry. I still would be today as an adult.

I do think Alligane can offer advice for the current troubles. I think she would be a great help. But there is a time and place. If I had to have such a conversation I would want to be forewarned that the conversation was going to happen and I would want the conversation to be in private. Since that is what I would want I am voting in a way to give that same respect to Zhengui.
If your argument is that we need to be spending more time with Zhengui this month though then, uh, that's more about what we do during the rest of the month. That's more of a "next arc vote" question.

Not "what we do for the next hour this afternoon", which is what this vote literally is.
That's, huh, literally the same argument we have had the last five time this came up. "This is not the place right now so we can invite CRX and it won't ignore the problem because of course we are going to do that thing" (we don't), and so on.

The 'This is not the time' argument is actually also a 'We don't choose it to make it the time' one.

Might Zhengui get mortified if we begin to help him in front of other spirit beasts? He very well might. IS Allingge also helping her own spirit beast in the same way at the same time? She is. Is there a good time to ever help Zhengui where the chances for Zhengui to not be mortified exist? I don't think so. Is this time a time where we actually can significantly end up helping Wang Chao compared to the same thing next turn? I don't think so.

There is actually a time and place for things, and arguing this isn't the time for Zhengui or that socialising with Allingge isn't socialising with ES noble is wrong, imo.
 
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When? Cause I'm pretty sure that never happened.

Anyway, mostly I'm sick of this idea that arts are the way we need to connect to ZG. There have been narrative opportunities, and arts he could have benefited from, but never any results. Unless Yrs hands us the exact right at art, I doubt it will accomplish anything, assuming it's even possible to begin with, which is something I am pretty skeptical of.
I can't remember exactly when it was, but I remember something about creating ice flowers. It might hae been an exercise from Zeqing for both of them, but the actual scene I'm remembering took place without Zeqing in it. Hazy memory though. Someone else might remember more clearly.


That's unfair to Allingge, who is doing just that. Yes, going to the Pavillon is the expected thing to do for a specific type of noble interactions, but it's also not socially invalid to chose not to do so, or else all the nobles who aren't choosing that options would be social invalid, and I don't think that's a fair argument at all.
That's a fair point. I'd say it mostly boils down to different contexts. Ling Qi is the co-organizer of the event, while Alingge appears to habitually shoot for a kind of stablemaster role. It works for her, but I think the expectations are a little different for Ling Qi in this situation. Plus, I think she's mostly here to stare at spirit beasts, Zhengui especially, in the first place. We've got somewhat different goals.

I don't think going to talk to Alingge right now would be the end of the world, but it would be something we'd actually have to come up with an excuse for, probably?
 
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[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]

@Neshuakadal's post convinced me to change votes.
 
To clear the air, and this is a big whoopsie, uh. All my posting about Zhengui today and like half of yesterday? Yeah, I wasn't actually trying to argue for the vote. I was hashing out general Zhengui issues as a refresher given the focus of the arc. Honestly didn't occur to me that it looks like I'm arguing for voting Zhengui right now. Even though that's what I've personally done, I don't even feel confident about it.
So to be clear, you precipitated and engaged in multiple pages of discussion of a argument that is not the actual focus of the vote at hand and was never intended for anything other than writing a multiple paragraph long posts and inserting them to create a discussion not directly involved with the vote and that you don't even really have strong feelings either way about the actual topic up for vote?
 
So to be clear, you precipitated and engaged in multiple pages of discussion of a argument that is not the actual focus of the vote at hand and was never intended for anything other than writing a multiple paragraph long posts and inserting them to create a discussion not directly involved with the vote and that you don't even really have strong feelings either way about the actual topic up for vote?
I mean, it was on topic. It was about the vote.
 
So to be clear, you precipitated and engaged in multiple pages of discussion of a argument that is not the actual focus of the vote at hand and was never intended for anything other than writing a multiple paragraph long posts and inserting them to create a discussion not directly involved with the vote and that you don't even really have strong feelings either way about the actual topic up for vote?
Yeah.

Well, my goal was to get the ideas out there more than start a discussion specifically, that evolution was a cooperative effort from the thread as a whole. And I have strong mixed feelings about both directions on the topic of the vote. But basically, yeah.

I mean, it was on topic. It was about the vote.
I think it's fair to say things wandered afield from the issues most directly touching on the actual vote. It was about a subject of the vote more than the subject of the vote, might be a good way to describe it. It wasn't advocacy for either vote past probably my first post where I voted, anyway.

You're right that's not quite the same thing as being off-topic though.
 
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I don't recall any mention in the text; is there a citation on that?
She is specifically saying she is working with her own spirit beast and had it meeting Zhengui for that. There is a whole thing about how she considers this spirit beast differently from the others and so on.
That's a fair point. I'd say it mostly boils down to different contexts. Ling Qi is the co-organizer of the event, while Alingge appears to habitually shoot for a kind of stablemaster role. It works for her, but I think the expectations are a little different for Ling Qi in this situation. Plus, I think she's mostly here to stare at spirit beasts, Zhengui especially, in the first place. We've got somewhat different goals.

I don't think going to talk to Alingge right now would be the end of the world, but it would be something we'd actually have to come up with an excuse for, probably?
Again, I don't think Ling Qi's role as the co-organiser means she is also meant to have the same 'place' as Wang Chao with the different nobles. Wang Chao is looking at increasing his circle of influence by "taking them over" as a count scion, but Ling Qi can totally work as the stern no-nonsense sergeant. If we had MSS Ling Qi could both be the stern sergeant and help Wang Chao out in the pavillon, but that's not really the case.

Right now Ling Qi is probably going to talk alphazardly with a couple people there, and just... not actually do much beside increasing her general 'I am here' presence, I think?
I think it's fair to say things wandered afield from the issues most directly touching on the actual vote. It was about a subject of the vote more than the subject of the vote, might be a good way to describe it. It wasn't advocacy for either vote past probably my first post where I voted, anyway.

You're right that's not quite the same thing as being off-topic though.
I don't think it's fair to say this, and I think you are being down on yourself simply because structural arguments are something you end up doing a lot. It was very much onpoint for the vote imo.
 
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She is specifically saying she is working with her own spirit beast and had it meeting Zhengui for that. There is a whole thing about how she considers this spirit beast differently from the others and so on.

Again, I don't think Ling Qi's role as the co-organiser means she is also meant to have the same 'place' as Wang Chao with the different nobles. Wang Chao is looking at increasing his circle of influence by "taking them over" as a count scion, but Ling Qi can totally work as the stern no-nonsense sergeant. If we had MSS Ling Qi could both be the stern sergeant and help Wang Chao out in the pavillon, but that's not really the case.

Right now Ling Qi is probably going to talk alphazardly with a couple people there, and just... not actually do much beside increasing her general 'I am here' presence, I think?
My current guess is going to the pavilion means getting introduced to a few named disciples, while going outside means getting introduced to a few named spirits. Who we've been introduced to probably shapes things more down the line. In that sense, I think both paths are equivalent.

But basically, without clarity on the path forwards, harm reduction isn't an invalid approach. Not going to talk to the nobles seems likely to actively harm our esteem in their eyes given the expectations involved. Not going to talk to Alingge and the spirits, while representing a significant sacrifice of potentially valuable advice and the value of Ling Qi actively committing to addressing a weakness in her own conduct as it relates to raising spirits beasts, doesn't "hurt" us in its absence beyond the damage already true to our current state.

This is probably a sophistic semantic distinction.
 
She is specifically saying she is working with her own spirit beast and had it meeting Zhengui for that. There is a whole thing about how she considers this spirit beast differently from the others and so on.
I just rechecked the latest update, and I see no mention of anything like this. Just that Sembidun is Alingge's "heart companion."

Do you have a quote or something?
 
My current guess is going to the pavilion means getting introduced to a few named disciples, while going outside means getting introduced to a few named spirits. Who we've been introduced to probably shapes things more down the line. In that sense, I think both paths are equivalent.

But basically, without clarity on the path forwards, harm reduction isn't an invalid approach. Not going to talk to the nobles seems likely to actively harm our esteem in their eyes given the expectations involved. Not going to talk to Alingge and the spirits, while representing a significant sacrifice of potentially valuable advice and the value of Ling Qi actively committing to addressing a weakness in her own conduct as it relates to raising spirits beasts, doesn't "hurt" us in its absence beyond the damage already true to our current state.

This is probably a sophistic semantic distinction.
I don't think not going to talk to nobles seems likely to actively harm our esteeem in their eyes, and in fact it seems likely to me that the opposite could easily happen. There is a reason I keep talking about roles in the group when it comes to Ling Qi and Wang Chao, and that's because going talking to the nobles in the Pavillon (there should be nobles outside too) is likely to break the current "stern Sergeant" image Ling Qi has.

To me, it might very cause a backslide here. It's not at all something that will happen, but I consider the odds of not talking to them helping as higher than the odds of talking to them helping.

I also don't think who we talk right now will shape who we will talk to down the line because Yrsillar has been going expressively the opposite road from that this thread. We have constant 'backtrack and talk to that group you haven't talked to earlier' options, to the point it's actually hard to keep on point. As such, while I would be pleased if it actually shapes things forward I don't buy that going to the Pavillon means never having an opportunity to bond with Allingge again, or the opposite.

Harm reduction isn't an invalid approach, but the harm reduction approach is voting to go talk to Allingge.
I just rechecked the latest update, and I see no mention of anything like this. Just that Sembidun is Alingge's "heart companion."

Do you have a quote or something?
A quote for what? That Allingge is specifically choosing to work with the spirits right now, including her own? I am being confused. Is your assumption here that she will purposefully choose to tell her heart's companion to go away when the point was for them to work together or something?
 
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That's, huh, literally the same argument we have had the last five time this came up. "This is not the place right now so we can invite CRX and it won't ignore the problem because of course we are going to do that thing" (we don't), and so on.

The 'This is not the time' argument is actually also a 'We don't choose it to make it the time' one.

Might Zhengui get mortified if we begin to help him in front of other spirit beasts? He very well might. IS Allingge also helping her own spirit beast in the same way at the same time? She is. Is there a good time to ever help Zhengui where the chances for Zhengui to not be mortified exist? I don't think so. Is this time a time where we actually can significantly end up helping Wang Chao compared to the same thing next turn? I don't think so.

There is actually a time and place for things, and arguing this isn't the time for Zhengui or that socialising with Allingge isn't socialising with ES noble is wrong, imo.
I think it's telling that you lumped two very different arguments together and pretended they were the same. I won't speak on behalf of Ereberal's argument, but I will speak about the travesty you tried to make my argument into.

I respect Zhengui and because I respect Zhengui I won't vote to do something to him that I wouldn't want done to myself.

I wouldn't want to be dragged in front of my peers and have my personal problems aired out in the open so I'm not going to vote to do that to Zhengui.

I'm not voting for Wang because I like Wang or am that interested in being more approachable. I am voting for Wang because I think the other option is a dick move to Zhengui. So, I'm not going to vote for it.
 
A quote for what? That Allingge is specifically choosing to work with the spirits right now, including her own? I am being confused. Is your assumption here that she will purposefully choose to tell her heart's companion to go away when the point was for them to work together or something?
A quote that Alingge is helping her spirit in the same manner as some are suggesting for Zhengui, and specifically why she had them meet Zhengui.

Yes, I'd like something on that apparent assertion.
She glanced up as she felt someone approaching from one of the other paths. It only took her a second to recognize them. Alingge, the girl she had met at Luo Zhong's party. She was dressed much the same as always, in a surprisingly scant combination of tunic and skirt, but she had replaced her white fur cloak with one of darker red. She rode on the back of a tawny female deer, fitted with a saddle but lacking a harness.

"Ling Qi," Alingge greeted as her mount cantered up beside them. "Honored Zhengui, it pleases me that you emerged from your hunts unmarred."

"It pleases me too," Ling Qi said wryly. "It looks like you've been busy too. Is that a trophy?" She asked, nodding to her cloak. It looked to be made from the pelt of one of the Cloud Barbarians horses.

"Yes, my deployment was successful as well," Alingge agreed. "The raiders did not pass us."

As they spoke, Zhen had met the eyes of her mount, and they appeared to be having a staring contest. Zhen preened, looking proud and fierce, but Alingge's companion merely looked placid.

"Congratulations," Ling Qi said. She could listen to what Zhengui was communicating, but there was no need to pry.

"Your praise is welcome, though your deeds are the greater ones. Regardless, let me apologize for my rudeness. This one is called Sembidun," Alingge, patted the neck of the deer she rode.

The beast turned her eyes to Ling Qi. "I greet you Singer, and the Young Growth as well."

"It is good to meet you," Ling Qi said politely, and subtly tapped Zhengui's shell.

"Gui greets Whispering Wind, and the Beastkeeper too," Gui said

Zhen remained haughty, but at least lowered his head a little.

"Is Sembidun your only spirit beast?" Ling Qi asked curiously. "Or are your others not coming today?"

The two of them looked briefly at one another. "She is my heart companion," Alingge explained slowly. "My pact with the others is different. This is not a matter which I may explain."


Clan secrets, Ling Qi understood.

"Well, I won't press," Ling Qi said reassuringly. "I apologize if I gave offense."

"I have taken none," Alingge agreed. "But let us not tarry longer, the field awaits."
Here's a quote of the entire section where Ling Qi meets Alingge again, but I'm not seeing anything like what you're saying. I even underlined the specific moment that you seem to be referring to.
 
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A quote that Alingge is helping her spirit in the same manner as some are suggesting for Zhengui, and specifically why she had them meet Zhengui.

Yes, I'd like something on that apparent assertion.
Here's a quote of the entire section where Ling Qi meets Alingge again, but I'm not seeing anything like what you're saying. I even underlined the specific moment that you seem to be referring to.
When you put quotes like that inside spoilers, we can only read the first portion of said quotes.
 
When you put quotes like that inside spoilers, we can only read the first portion of said quotes.
Ah shit, the expand button doesn't show? I guess the post will just have to cover more page-space??

edit; oh wait no I'm dumb it obviously doesn't show the entire quote. fuck, sorry about that.
 
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[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
I think it's telling that you lumped two very different arguments together and pretended they were the same. I won't speak on behalf of Ereberal's argument, but I will speak about the travesty you tried to make my argument into.

I respect Zhengui and because I respect Zhengui I won't vote to do something to him that I wouldn't want done to myself.

I wouldn't want to be dragged in front of my peers and have my personal problems aired out in the open so I'm not going to vote to do that to Zhengui.

I'm not voting for Wang because I like Wang or am that interested in being more approachable. I am voting for Wang because I think the other option is a dick move to Zhengui. So, I'm not going to vote for it.
In fairness, I don't really see where in the option we're airing Zhengui's personal problems in front of a crowd. It's a nice option because it doesn't really interrogate Zhengui's issues directly, at least as described in the text of the vote.

[] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]

What Ling Qi is doing with Zhengui and his peers is helping him be more social. What that actually looks like, I don't know, but I seriously doubt it involves dredging up his conflicts or insecurities.

Separately, Ling Qi's looking for advice on the "vagaries of raising spirit beasts", but again that doesn't seem likely to directly involve sharing Zhengui's dirty laundry with a group, so much as asking for best practices. And maybe Ling Qi sharing her own insecurities about her efforts, but I'm sure she'd do so with relative discretion.
 
Ling Qi huffed. "I think I need a few moments to cultivate my reserves back to full, if you don't mind."

"Of course. I think I would like to slake my thirst myself," Wang said affably, turning away. "Will you join us in the pavilion after?"
So to be fair, this really does sound like an invite to me. Which I guess means he'd probs b offended if we went and hung out w/ Alingge. I didn't really see that until people talked about it.
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]

Let's not hover. We have a job to do and can address Zhengui's issues better when in a different circumstance. We may be able to ask Alinge in a more appropriate environment.
 
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I don't think not going to talk to nobles seems likely to actively harm our esteeem in their eyes, and in fact it seems likely to me that the opposite could easily happen. There is a reason I keep talking about roles in the group when it comes to Ling Qi and Wang Chao, and that's because going talking to the nobles in the Pavillon (there should be nobles outside too) is likely to break the current "stern Sergeant" image Ling Qi has.

To me, it might very cause a backslide here. It's not at all something that will happen, but I consider the odds of not talking to them helping as higher than the odds of talking to them helping.

Don't we want this? We want to be well liked among the nobility, including the lesser members.
 
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Inspiration
Inspiration
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Lightning crackled painfully around Liu Hei's legs as he convulsed on the ground. The lightning soon faded away and Hei was left panting on the grass. He slammed his palm down. He almost had it that time! He was so close! So close! With a sigh he rolled over onto his back and stared up at the crisp blue sky. The grassy knoll he rested on exetened to the sharp cliff that descended down before smoothing into a gentle slope down the mountain. At the knoll's peak, if a knoll could ever be considered to have a peak, jutted an ax shaped stone slab. The tip of the stone was blackened by repeated lightning strikes and even now lightning qi hung thickly in the air even without the normal required storms. That combined with the fact that this spot was a ways off the normal paths and Hei found himself drawn to it frequently to practice his more difficult arts.

A stick poking him in the side was the first hint Hei had that someone else had arrived. Groaning he swatted the stick away before turning and looking at whoever found him. As expected Gou Fu, his roommate, was grinning at him.

"Another failure?" Fu asked kindly.

Hei groaned and turned back to staring at the sky. "Yes," he replied, "I was so close though. It almost worked."

"What happened?"

"I messed up the qi flow. Like usual."

"Well, you'll get it sooner or later." Fu said before laying down next to him.

"What have you been working on lately?" Hei asked as he blew stray hair away from his eyes. "I haven't seen you in a couple of days."

Fu hummed before answering. "I was working on some formations for my pill work. I think I have reached the limit of what I can do with just cores and was experimenting with ways formations might influence my results."

Both of them appreciated the silence for a while before Hei hoisted himself up and dusted off his pant legs. "Well back to work for me."

Fu nodded. "Busy as always."

Hei frowned at Fu. "Well, yes," he said, "The war is only going to get rougher from here. The best chance I have of surviving my scholarship term is getting into the inner sect. The sooner the better."

"Ahh," Fu said, "I didn't realize you wanted to pull a Ling."

"A Ling?" Hei asked.

Fu nodded. "Yah," he said, "Last year a commoner got through to the inner sect through the tournament. At least that is what the senior sect brothers and sisters say."

Hei grinned. "So it's possible," he said.

Fu stood up. "It's possible alright but Ling is a class of her own apparently. She finished fourth. Right under three ducal scions. Very impressive. Last year the tournament was a brutal trial and this year is promising to be much the same."

"How so?" Hei asked as he started stretching out his legs.

Fu sratched his chin before answering. "Well, you know how Gan Guangli failed to get into the inner sect last year?"

Hei nodded. Even though he tried to avoid almost every other student on this mountain he had heard that.

"He got eliminated in the preliminary round. The very first round meant to weed out the chaff from those with ability."

Hei felt his face tighten. Gan was a monster in the outer sect. If anyone had drive or talent it was him. To imagine him getting knocked out in such an early round was difficult.

Fu then pinned Hei with his gaze. "Even then Gan Guangli was fully green."

Hei's face whitened. Fully green and getting knocked out in the very first round.

"In fact," Fu continued, "three fully green students failed to get into the inner sect last year. Each spot was taken by someone in the green realm. It has been a very long time since something like that has happened."

Hei's qi fluttered inside of him, almost eager at the prospect of a challenge.

"This year," said Fu, "promises to have almost as many greens. Those that failed last year have at least another shot this year to make it and many others were almost green. Unless your green come the tournament then I can't even give you odds of making it in. Even then the competition will be beyond fierce and your odds won't be good."

Hei grinned, his heart beating faster. Even though his face had paled and he could feel the tremors of fear running through his arm he was excited. "But it's possible to be a commoner and reach green before the tournament," he said, "You said it yourself. This Ling managed it."

Fu laughed. "You are right and that is what I enjoy about you. Everything is a challenge to beat." He tossed Hei a bundle of pills. "Though if you want to compare yourself to Ling then you better get back to work. Here are some pills that should help gather lightning qi. Good luck. You'll need it."

Hei grinned and popped a pill into his mouth. He crushed it between his teeth and enjoyed the feeling of sparks playing behind his teeth. When he activated his new art it didn't leave him spasming on the ground. Instead he flashed to the other side of the knoll leaving sparks and burnt grass in his wake. He laughed as he blitzed around the stone slab while Fu watched with a grin.
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Omake for the Omake throne @yrsillar

Please enjoy this piece. I envisioned this happening after the cloud nomad incursion but not too long after.
 
I think it's telling that you lumped two very different arguments together and pretended they were the same. I won't speak on behalf of Ereberal's argument, but I will speak about the travesty you tried to make my argument into.

I respect Zhengui and because I respect Zhengui I won't vote to do something to him that I wouldn't want done to myself.

I wouldn't want to be dragged in front of my peers and have my personal problems aired out in the open so I'm not going to vote to do that to Zhengui.

I'm not voting for Wang because I like Wang or am that interested in being more approachable. I am voting for Wang because I think the other option is a dick move to Zhengui. So, I'm not going to vote for it.
Both of your arguments were about how now is not the time. I didn't "lump them together", I talked about how now was the time. My answer was simply about how this exact type of argument about when is the best time will always means now is not the time. I don't really appreciate snide comment about trying to pretend I am making a travesty of your argument, either.

You can say that you don't like being dragged in front of your peers and have your personal problems aired out, but I never claimed the opposite. I just said it will just end up with never having such a talk, because [this is important but X means we can't do it now] exactly what has happened every single votes we had about Zhengui since the middle of last thread.

As is, I still don't get why you think talking to Alingge would be airing Zhengui's dirty laundry either.

A quote that Alingge is helping her spirit in the same manner as some are suggesting for Zhengui, and specifically why she had them meet Zhengui.
Ah, I am still a bit confused as I think we are thinking of different things. Allingge is currently with the spirits, and she has mentioned having a cultivation art centred about helping spirit beast, and her 'name' is Beastkeeper. Given she is currently with the spirits, I would find it downright bizarre for her to stop being with the spirits when Zhengui arrive.

Her spirit isn't going to be a 1:1 on Zhengui obviously, especially as we all disagree on what Zhengui's issues actually are. Here are the things I was referring to, btw:
"Your Zhengui has considerable power for his cultivation," Alingge observed. She stood with her arms crossed under her fur cloak, wholly still except for her eyes. Her composure had obviously recovered. "Is that natural, or have you used some technique to bolster him?"
"...Elder Ying gave me some lessons on spirit bonding, and aiding growth, but nothing like an art," Ling Qi replied. "Is that a thing?" If so, some parts of the Songseekers Ceremony made more sense

The other girl glanced at her. "There are cultivation arts for this, yes."
"It is not so uneven as it looks. He is ramping up now that he has tested your Zhengui's toughness," Alingge said. "...What a strange beast qi."

"What do you mean by that anyway?" Ling Qi asked, not looking away from the fight. The hole in the Paradise Rampart technique had sealed itself, cutting off retreat as Gui hunkered down, drawing vitality from his roots and Wang Chao was trading blows with Zhen, liquid fire going everywhere and setting the grass alight.

"It is the way of my clan to cultivate through observation and study of beasts and plants," Alingge replied. "This is why I thank you for the opportunity. Beast Qi are the energies which make up a beasts' natural functions."

"Ah, so it's all beast qi, even if it's fire or wood or whatever else," Ling Qi caught on easily.

"Yes," Alingge agreed.
"It looks like he needs a little more work," Ling Qi said with a wry chuckle. "I might have to cut back on cultivation to train him a little more."

"That is a strange conclusion," Alingge replied, peering into the rising cloud of smoke and grit that consumed both combatants. "Empowering clan and companions is cultivation."
Ling Qi considered, eyeing the other end of the field, where Alingge and the disciples spirit beasts were gathered. Despite her efforts, Zhengui had not been particularly social yet, and she did want to speak with the girl about some things.

If anyone could help her work through her conundrum regarding her spirits, surely it was someone who even Zhengui called 'Beastkeeper'.
I'm still confused though. What claim are you thinking I am making, because it still feels I am missing what you are asking.

Don't we want this? We want to be well liked among the nobility, including the lesser members.
I certainly don't want Ling Qi to try to take over this group, as this group is about Wang Chao asserting dominance over nobles, not about Ling Qi inserting herself in the middle of it.

There is a reason I keep talking about Moonless Saboteur's Smile. It's an art designed specifically for instances where we want to help someone else prop themselves up, rather than trying to wield influence ourself. Considering the end of the update, I am fairly confident that if Ling Qi wants to actually do a good job about helping Wang Chao and connecting with global ES nobles, then going now is a bad idea:
On the other hand, she was supposed to be here primarily to influence Wang Chao, but she was still going to be sparring with him tomorrow.
Tomorrow is much more likely to have MSS, and much more likely to have Ling Qi be able to actually help without shooting her own goals.
 
I expect that Grinding Glacial Melody is going to be basically useless against the cloud nomads. Their generally strategy is to hit and run.
 
Fu nodded. "Yah," he said, "Last year a commoner got through to the inner sect through the tournament. At least that is what the senior sect brothers and sisters say."

I liked your story, but this part didn't make much sense. Ling did place higher than him, but the Rong was also a commoner that made it in, it makes no sense for "the Ling" to be considered uniquely legendary simply for making it in her first year as a commoner.

Shen Hu also made it in as a commoner, although you can argue that discussion was about making it in as a commoner in your first year, in which case he wouldn't qualify

Edit: apparently I had forgotten that Shen Hu was a baron clan member. Oops. My point about the Rong still stands.
 
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