Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
After rereading the update, I've changed my mind. We'll just have to grow stronger to carry the weight of this promise.

[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
Holy shit, was this a perfect chapter. It sparked vital conversation that has revealed several possible issues and potential growth opportunities. It has made a lot of us really look at Ling Qi, and where she is going. I love it. It's a really hard choice here. The promise WILL limit us in what we do best. It won't be nearly as bad as some seem to think, but nevertheless, it IS a limitation, which is something LQ is leery about. But we've been building strength precisely so we can MAKE these sort of decisions, and bear their difficulties. LQ can adapt to aid her family, and may even find ways to not let them drag her down. This last bit is rather important IMO, as her spirits may very well fade in usefulness as time goes on, which could prove devastating to them.

Really, a serious banger of a chapter. Well written, and it shows a quality of thought and skill that makes me love this story all the more.
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)

It means before splitting up, the question is "was this necessary?"
Which should always be asked to begin with
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
"We'll be having tea later, you know," Ling Qi said quietly. "Meizhen and I that is. You should come."

Cai Renxiang had stood as well, moving to seat herself behind her desk. The other girl barely glanced her way. "There are too many tasks that need my attention. Perhaps another time."

A large part of Ling Qi wanted to leave it at that, to rush out the door and go straight to Zhengui's side. Some part of her rebelled against that. "You're making a mistake."

"Excuse me?" her blunt words caused Cai Renxiang to pause, a touch of a frown on her lips.

"I can't know what happened, but you're not well," Ling Qi stated bluntly, making a point to look her directly in the eye. "It's like the tournament all over again. I can tell that dealing with your Mother hurts you. Sitting here alone won't help."
Insight activation - Sincerity.

Ling Qi had chosen to befriend Renxiang and that also means she cannot let Renxiang put up a facade like that to her.

"I allow you many indulgences Ling Qi, but your presumption is getting out of hand," Cai Renxiang replied coolly, seating herself behind her desk. "As it comes from concern, I will not chide you harshly, but you are overstepping yourself. Do you not have your own responsibilities? Or are you truly so unconcerned that you have time for such meddling?"

Ling Qi clenched a fist inside of her sleeve, hurt by the implication. Of course she wanted to see Zhengui right away, but she didn't want too…

"Deliberate tactic, clumsy. She's usually better than this," Her train of thought was brought up short as Sixiang's whisper rose in her mind. For a moment, she focused inward, but the muse was already fading. Sixiang… they had sounded so tired. Ling Qi could feel her own stress increasing.
You're the best Muse, Six.

And yeah thats downright hamfisted for Renxiang. She's so off her game she's doing the dismissal practically on auto.

If she was on point she'd have just dismissed it and brought up having more urgent work.
She forced herself to focus on Renxiang, she had to do things one at a time. The other girl had already looked down, focusing on some letter. "...I went to the archive and read through a copy of that book you know," she said, there was no response. "It had certain things to say about advisors who do not speak up, and rulers who do not listen."

Her liege stilled, and the light that played around her shoulders wavered and intensified. She looked up, and her expression was a frozen mask, cast in shadow by her own light. "Ling Qi. That is enough."
Renxiang's pokerface amounts to little when you can SEE it in her light.

Ling Qi calling upon philosophy in debate is new, and probably played a part. It occurs to me that Renxiang had mainly seen the quiet and aloof Professional Ling Qi so far.

But having gone past that, she now faces the relentless girl who'd shove until she's past your barriers.
"Lady Renxiang. I am doing exactly what you recruited me to do," Ling Qi shot back cooly, not letting herself be intimidated. "You are hurt. I do not know how, but… you speak of foundations and building, do you think that you can afford to let yours be damaged?" Despite herself, Ling Qi really was beginning to worry that she was going to far. "I am telling you to stop working. Just come out this afternoon. Have tea with Meizhen and I. We can talk, or perhaps have a spar or… something."

She forced herself to maintain eye contact, even as a glimmer of familiar and unsettling radiance bloomed in the girls dark eyes. It faded after a moment, gone so quickly that she might have imagined it. Cai Renxiang breathed out, and all of her looming presence seemed to vanish. "...I will consider your proposal. Please go."
Hmm, running Perception on her?
Ling Qi nodded and turned to leave, knowing that there was nothing else to be said. Still, as she left, she caught in the the silver eye gleaming in the lining of her gown, the sight of the other girl resting her face in her hands.

She hoped Cai Renxiang would listen.
Neat use of the wisps.
Renxiang badly could use some support and I suspect Gan wasn't really helping here, with his sheer, loud loyalty adding more pressure to keep a mask up.
"...Don't blame me you big dummy, she wouldn't let me help either!"Hanyi frustrated voice carried on the wind.

"Gui is sorry, he knows and Zhen does too," Gui said, he craned his neck upward, giving his other half a dirty look.

"Hmph," Zhen spat a stream of liquid fire, lighting the blackened brush nearby aflame, but did not respond.
Hmm, arriving late had some perks, Zhengui got to talk to Hanyi before we arrived.
Ling QI held herself in the sky, a shadow on the wind. Even as awkward silence fell, she stayed where she was.

"Big Sister tries to do everything on her own. Gui knows this," her little brother said. "We try to keep up, but Big Sister is just too fast, and Zhen and Gui are too slow."

"Gui can speak for himself," Zhen hissed irritably, staring off to the side. "Zhen is only too slow because he is attached to fat and unwieldy Gui."
This is a legitimate point.

Ling Qi had made a habit of dropping off Zhengui and then going off to do her scouting thing in general, even as a just-in-case.

Not even because its' needed, Zhengui was deployed to patrol the field perimeter before there was any fight at all, while Ling Qi did aerial recon of the area.


Hanyi she saw, was sat on a rock in front of him, her knees drawn up to her chest. "...I thought I was doing good," she admitted. I helped Sis fight the bad guys. We sang together and I even ate a few of them, you know? But then… hmph, how is she supposed to keep her promise to Mama if she does dumb stuff like that."

That stung a little. Even if she knew that it was the best choice for ending the fight quickly…

Her mother's pained and frustrated expression flashed through her mind. She had dismissed her words confidently, back in the hearth room.
Ling Qi does have some weirdass threat assessment/goal choice because of the quest format.

But in this case, what matters here wasn't that she could take it, but that people who care about her just aren't going to accept her taking sacrifice plays unless theres no choice.
"Hanyi is pathetic when she is gloomy. Big Sister would not die," Zhen hissed. Ling Qi wished he had said that with more confidence.

"We wouldn't leave Hanyi alone," Gui rumbled, settling to the ground with a hill shaking thump.

"Tch, like I want to be reassured by a big doofus like you. You'd just sleep all the time anyway," Hanyi sniffed. "And it's not like I'm the only one sulking either, you oversized boot," she shot at Zhen.

"I, Zhen am not sulking. I am brooding. Zhen does not expect the uncultured Hanyi to know the difference," Zhen replied haughtily.

"You've been spending too much time around that snotty snake," Hanyi said with a snort, wrapping her arms around her knees. "I dunno what to do."

"Neither does Gui," the tortoise said, resting his head on the ground.

"...Neither does Zhen," the serpent admitted, his head drooping.
[Sending Hugs]

Above, Ling Qi continued to hover. Part of her was unsurprised. This was… something she had known, in the back of her mind, was a problem but having it laid out before her so plainly hurt a little. As much as it shamed her to admit it, from her Mother, she could dismiss it because the older woman spoke from ignorance. She had not been there in the heat of battle.

She could, she knew, formulate a similar rationalization regarding her spirits. Even now she still did not feel like her choice was wrong. Even knowing the potency of the poison, even if yanmei had not shown up, surely, Zhengui could have…
Genuine underestimation of the poison here I think, on our part.
Ling Qi descended from the sky like a falling stone, the weight of her body reasserting itself. She loosened her hold on her qi, making her presence obvious. Hanyi Looked up, and Zhen's head whipped around as she landed on the earth, kicking up a plume of dust. A moment later, and she had her arms wrapped around Gui's blunt snout. "Zhengui, I'm so glad that you're awake."

She would not address their words directly. It had been wrong of her to listen in on them regardless.

"Gui squirmed in her grasp, sending a tremor through the hill. "Ah, Gui is happy too?" he replied in surprise and confusion. His 'voice' emanating from his jaws, was muffled by her gown.

"Big Sister is healthy I see," Zhen added more quietly, staring down at her.

"I told you," Hanyi said haughtily, shifting her posture to let her legs dangle off the rock. She was deliberately trying to look more casual.

"The Sect physicians do good work," Ling Qi said with a smile, letting go of Zhengui. "I…"

"Big Sister did not just arrive," Zhen said, cutting her off. "I Zhen, thought it was just my imagination, but I felt her before that."

Ling Qi's smile faded, even as Gui craned his neck to give Zhen a harsh look. "Nosy Zhen should not accuse Big Sister of things," he chided.

...She was being foolish, wasn't she? "What gave me away?" Ling Qi asked.

"Big Sister's is always embracing Zhengui when she is around. Even when she hides, even stupid Gui can feel her, if he pays attention," Zhen replied.
[Hugs Recieved]
She could never hide from her loved ones. They KNOW she cares, just from her presence.

Probably makes Hanyi feel all the more insecure.
"If snotty Zhen does not lighten up, Gui is going to roll over in his sleep one night," Gui grumbled.
That'd be a sight to see. Upside-down Gui.
Her domain. He must be referring to the effects of her domain. She knew that the effects of her way were not as obvious as some. She had gotten used to it being all but unnoticeable. She had never considered trying to hide it. Could she hide it? "I'm sorry, but I did listen in for a little," Ling Qi admitted, straightening up. "I know it must have hurt, having to stay out of the fight like that but I really did need you to hold the line Zhengui. If the enemies had gotten past you…"

"Zhengui knows," she blinked, surprised as both of them spoke in perfect synch.
Zhengui was fine with holding the line while she fights in the air.
Zhengui was fine with holding the fort while Ling Qi checked out the other cillage.

Zhengui wasn't very fine with being deployed out to do some other busywork while she scouts, because thats a bit more efficient to work on two things at the same time.

"But Sis didn't have to let the rat thing hit her at all," Hanyi accused. "I've played around with Sis enough to know that she is faster than that."

"It was the only way to ensure it wasn't going to get away and strike from the shadows again," Ling Qi replied. "You know how hard it is to find me once you lose track."

"I, Zhen, still think that Big Sister was foolish. The Burning Girl was strong too. Big Sister should trust more," Zhen replied stubbornly.

"Gui agrees," his other half replied more quietly. "Big Sister does not have to do everything hard or dangerous herself."
And Zhengui saw through her like she was transparent. Her stated(and thread) motive was its tactical utility, but her emotional motive was fear that the assassin could take out the far less durable Xiulan in the followup strike.
Ling Qi looked from one face to the next. She… had made the right choice, but choices had consequences. "I will not apologize for protecting you all. I'm sorry for getting hurt so badly doing it."

"Gui does not want her too. Just… will Big Sis promise to fight together next time. Promise not to try and do the hardest part by herself?" Gui pleaded.

Ling Qi felt a tingling in her senses. Zhengui's qi was in turmoil, hot and vital energy was bubbling, straining against some unseen barrier. It was faint, the very nascent beginnings of something.

[] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
[] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
You know, Zhengui WOULD be keenly aware that if she chooses to stay close to him, he'd be slowing her down.

I wonder if Zhengui would start advancing a Movement technique to avoid being a burden with his request.
 
I don't have a problem with the limit the sacrifice play part, but like others have mentioned its the in battle mobility part I struggle with. I don't think storing Zhengui during chases is a solution, as he still is not helping even if he technically is there. A potential solution could be team buffs that aid his and other allies movements, as we have already seen the cloud barbarians do something of the kind.

I do however feel the gap between LQ and Shengui's speed is too large to be bridged at this stage, and as such the promise will force us too pick less mobility focused combat techniques. For me this vote was either much too late or much too early (a cyan having access to team buffs that can force their friends too keep up seem much more reasonable too me...)

And if we are switching away from mobility, we are in practice shifting army division at the very start of a war, I can't imagine the argent sect will be too happy about that. But who knows, perhaps we find a way too cope.

[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
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Adhoc vote count started by EternalObserver on Dec 4, 2019 at 5:30 AM, finished with 200 posts and 99 votes.
 
[x] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)

This feels right. Ling Qi has developed attachments and it feels right that she gives advice and takes it too.
 
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
Friends and family before battle optimization imo.
The "Affects Zhengui's development" is making me super nervous, and i am not confident leaving him behind is going to be helpfull for the development and growth of our precious.
 
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)

I don't want to make our boy worry, and we can make it work.
 
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
 
Friends and family before battle optimization imo.
The "Affects Zhengui's development" is making me super nervous, and i am not confident leaving him behind is going to be helpfull for the development and growth of our precious.
Well, it could be not negative development.

Like if we chose to stick together, Zhengui will continue down his path of Fortress Supreme, maybe with an emphasis on attracting aggro.

The other option could influence Zhengui to try to develop a movement art of some sort. Or maybe increased range? Heck, it could even be stealth.
 
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