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The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone

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Chaos Blade said:
Hell, we could use Caliban as a "battle lab" of sorts... but we need to have, at least primitive tech deployed
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Beside primitive tech we need to have our armies upgraded because without that all the data we get will be worthless once we upgrade them since we wouldn't know what the new upgrades would actually work in a fight.

So I think we should start that Social Democrats request for tax breaks and funding of Helgan Businesses on Independence in order to further bind that world to us. Increase income better dependency on us and with the free movement already in place, it will see more people going between the two worlds.
 
Adventwolf said:
They are mirrors there isn't anything too hard for us to replace. We just wouldn't because that would draw attention that we don't want just yet. Plus the rest of our tech would make living on the planet much easier
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we if its not hard to replace the mirrors then we should do it and we dont have to worry about draw attention as the planet is forgotten
Adventwolf said:
Caliban's roving bands is a feature we want to fight them, the soil isn't an issue and the villages can be evacuated to areas under our control.
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yea but we can do that until we upgrad
Adventwolf said:
McEvan's Sacrifice is "pristine" but offers nothing else besides a small number of people. At best it just becomes another colonization location for us.
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that is what i want a another colonization location. as i want to move more people from Helghan
Adventwolf said:
The other two worlds either give us much larger populations or army experience against mechs
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with larger populations will make it harder to integration
 
Adventwolf said:
The upgrade for a single army will take 5 years to get even one up to level or using all of our current free AP in one turn to get them a single army up to level. The current method is too flawed to be worth the actions so until we have fixed that the army is out of the question. Caliban was supposed to be a testing ground for our forces but that is no longer an option because of the limits in upgrading. McEvans' Sacrifice offers nothing really besides people same with New Oslo.

@prometheus110 did you ever figure out what you were going to do with the research levels?
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Remind me about the research levels complaint. It's been a while.
 
prometheus110 said:
Remind me about the research levels complaint. It's been a while.
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It was atleast here where I brought it up.
Adventwolf said:
We have missed some worlds around us so if we don't have anything to use it on I say explore. Especially when if that automation mining thing works out we have plenty of places we can set up outposts for resource gathering. That way we can feed our industrial growth. As for Caliban the until we have a better and more logical way to fully equip a single army we would be sending our soldiers to fight heavily handicapped. Once we have dealt with all the pirates and bandits on the planet we can start fixing the world and its people.

Also I guess that whole thing about our scientists telling us they were close to a breakthrough in materials and armor was a lie they told us since they were at 0% that is a far from a breakthrough as you can get.


Also as for why the shield got the boost if it isn't a mistake, I would say it is because we have such a huge stockpile of regular and irradiated petrusite that gave the bonus plus it is our specialty so that should give us a boost.
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Here is where I asked you directly.
Adventwolf said:
So any reason why the armor and materials started at 0% despite the last turn of research into them being told that they were close to a breakthrough?
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And here was the response.
prometheus110 said:
Learning my housemate is a meth addict has been one of the less irritating parts of my July. :V

I'll figure something out soonish.
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Kind of just curious about it is all.
 
prometheus110 said:
I'll probably just give you an extra 50% bonus to both. Easier than going back and messing with things.
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That is cool then we can have the next level of those techs have some time removed as well. Since we are going to probably want to focus on other research having that buffer on the armor and structure gives us a good amount of time to get around to it.
 
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Aftermath
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    ~ and in other news it's coming around to the 19th anniversary of the destruction of helghan"


    Tomas Sevchenko just sighed as he pulled away from the Jan Templar Correctional Facility.


    The grey haired man had just visited one of the inmates and brought him news on the galaxy as a whole. Nothing had changed the economy was still in free fall and the third Extrasolar war was still raging on.


    Yeah that was a shocker who would have thought the complete destruction of a planet would rile up the colonies and ICSA into open war. Even now Sev could see UCN warships in various states hovering over Vekta along with Damocles-class cruisers.


    The destruction of Helghan had horrified all of humanity and angered the UCN for the loss of a major resource planet. But that wasn't as bad as the colonies who saw the complete annihilation of a planet from an organization that continuously ignored UCN orders and where never punished. The UCN wasn't prepared for the uprisings or exactly how powerful the colonies where or advanced they had become especially those of the ICSA.


    But that wasn't Sev's concern he had been giving a dishonorable discharge when he got back to vetka. Rico had been imprisoned for his actions and part of helghans destruction nearly all the survivors where punished for what had happened that day and the UCN was still suffering to this day in a war that hasn't ended for nearly 20 years.


    So just something I had thought about how the KZ universe would react to Helghans disappearance at the end of KZ3 especially based on some lore about how the UCN acts and the fact that the colonies are always dealing with some uprisings in response to what the UCN demands of them.
     
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    It is called the Independent Colonial Strategic Alliance ICSA not the ISCA. Also too bad Rico got his ass thrown in jail. Couldn't have happened to a better person especially after the second and third games basically destroryed his entire growth from the first game.
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    Thank you fixed and yeah I honestly thought about if I should have Rico thrown in jail or not but I thought with all the chaos that happened in the aftermath of the destruction of Helghan and Rico's past behavior and insubordination he was basically the scapegoat for the UCN otherwise he would probably be still walking around though terribly wracked with guilt over what happened which he is.
     
    coyote16able said:
    Thank you fixed and yeah I honestly thought about if I should have Rico thrown in jail or not but I thought with all the chaos that happened in the aftermath of the destruction of Helghan and Rico's past behavior and insubordination he was basically the scapegoat for the UCN otherwise he would probably be still walking around though terribly wracked with guilt over what happened which he is.
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    Well he has no one to blame but himself. It was his actions that lead up to the destruction of the planet. Plus he got exactly what he wanted all the Helghast dead so now he has to go and live with his life goal being achieved by his hand.
     
    Adventwolf said:
    Well he has no one to blame but himself. It was his actions that lead up to the destruction of the planet. Plus he got exactly what he wanted all the Helghast dead so now he has to go and live with his life goal being achieved by his hand.
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    The thing is I believe the first part when he started to backslide to how he was in KZ1 was when he watched Radec execute the one ISA soldier which led to Garza's death then Templar's death really caused him to nearly Completely backslide to how he use to be then how Narville treated him after he killed Visari basically cemented his ways. Note that after the timeskip in KZ3 he's once again pretty mellow and centered unless he is dealing with Narville.
     
    coyote16able said:
    But that wasn't as bad as the colonies who saw the complete annihilation of a planet from an organization that continuously ignored UCN orders and where never punished.
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    What organization are you referring to here?
    coyote16able said:
    The thing is I believe the first part when he started to backslide to how he was in KZ1 was when he watched Radec execute the one ISA soldier which led to Garza's death then Templar's death really caused him to nearly Completely backslide to how he use to be then how Narville treated him after he killed Visari basically cemented his ways. Note that after the timeskip in KZ3 he's once again pretty mellow and centered unless he is dealing with Narville.
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    Narville had every right and reason to treat Rico the way he did. And I don't even like Narville that much. As for Rico mellowing out that was because he had to come face to face with the consequences of his actions by leading the survivors of the invasion that he trapped and sentenced to death.
     
    Adventwolf said:
    What organization are you referring to here?
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    ISA Alpha Centauri on the regular ignored Earth and the UCN like they where just to re-establish the blockade against the Helghast and not invade along with multiple actions in the lore Painted them and the UCN as ignoring orders and not being punished for it.
    Adventwolf said:
    Narville had every right and reason to treat Rico the way he did. And I don't even like Narville that much. As for Rico mellowing out that was because he had to come face to face with the consequences of his actions by leading the survivors of the invasion that he trapped and sentenced to death.
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    I'm not disagreeing but Narville's antagonism against Rico didn't help him especially when Rico had concerns and tried to voice other options. Also Narville had a major part in the ISA forces being trapped on Helghan with his major focus on following orders with out consideration of things happening around him. The big character flaw of Rico was he was a hot head who didn't think that much about the big picture while Narville's was he was tacitly inflexible and got to focused on his objectives.
     
    Adventwolf said:
    I assume you mean the UCA since the UCN is the government that gives the orders.
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    To be fair based on the Lore what's the difference?
    Adventwolf said:
    And yeah Narville and Rico both screwed up the withdrawal but if Rico hadn't killed their target they could have pulled out of at least kept the Helghast from attacking them in fear of retaliation on their leader.
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    To be fair no one knew that fleet had existed and where prepared to storm ISA which they planned to do even if Rico hadn't shot Visari and just captured him.
     
    coyote16able said:
    To be fair based on the Lore what's the difference?

    To be fair no one knew that fleet had existed and where prepared to storm ISA which they planned to do even if Rico hadn't shot Visari and just captured him.
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    The UCA is the United Colonial Army the UCN is the United Colonial Nations one is the military arm the other is the actual government.

    Yes but if the had Visari then the Helghast would not have risked killing him in the attack or they might have. But seeing how his death screwed over the remaining leadership I am going to say they wouldn't have risked it.
     
    hmmm

    In other discussions way I'm thinking about after the restoration that in the most likely scenario wins the war I was thinking we sell them a couple of our basic cruisers though I'm wondering if we should wait for us to redesign the cruisers first or just sell the current versions.

    Also I am wondering how we will affect the clan invasion.
     
    coyote16able said:
    hmmm

    In other discussions way I'm thinking about after the restoration that in the most likely scenario wins the war I was thinking we sell them a couple of our basic cruisers though I'm wondering if we should wait for us to redesign the cruisers first or just sell the current versions.

    Also I am wondering how we will affect the clan invasion.
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    Our Cruisers are probably too much but the selling of cargo ships or colony ships would probably be a better Idea. If we can get inroads with their own domestic manufacturing companies and start joint works then it might be better to sell them our cruisers. But it would probably be better to make the redesign first though.

    As for the Clan Invasion aside from helping with tech research and spreading our technology for stuff like manufacturing earlier than it was recovered in canon the only other real thing we can do is fight. That or try to form some kind of power bloc in our area of the periphery by alliances with the AC, MoC, TC, and all the independent worlds so we can have a counterbalance to the IS powers.
     
    Adventwolf said:
    Our Cruisers are probably too much but the selling of cargo ships or colony ships would probably be a better Idea. If we can get inroads with their own domestic manufacturing companies and start joint works then it might be better to sell them our cruisers. But it would probably be better to make the redesign first though.
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    That's what I was thinking was we start making deals or in the case of my omake that never was we start or some of the shipbuilders make deals with other companies or groups to get Innersphere material and they build them.
     
    coyote16able said:
    That's what I was thinking was we start making deals or in the case of my omake that never was we start or some of the shipbuilders make deals with other companies or groups to get Innersphere material and they build them.
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    Well we have openings for all three powers in our area to make deals. By helping out the Restoration with support or at least keeping the TC from getting involved they win faster and we reap the rewards of helping supply and restore what was damaged. The TC already asked us to help them with the engineers coming to learn from us so we can get good concessions from them and we have our trade deals already in place. The MoC wants our medical tech and will probably be open to industrial deals as well to strengthen their economy.

    So I was doing some math and if we got all the worlds we are in aware of on our side that would give us at our current growth rate over 3 billion people by the Clan Invasion.
     
    I actually didn't realise you were skipping this month's vote. :V

    I'll write the update Soon(tm).
     
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