Long long incredibly long history of other powers attempting to assert their authority into these systems shows that they will far more than not like any kind of political coup. The Star League tried to claim dominion of the Rim Nations with every material advantage possible and broke apart before succeeding. We cannot unilaterally decide to rule these people without convincing them it would be the better option which will take a diplomatic miracle.
I could defintaly be wrong, but that makes it sound like CommStar tried something like an invasion, which so far isn't something the Helghast are going to try.
I think we are gonna end up more like a looser but more streamlined European Union with a hefty dash of NATO. if we end up as a leader its because we're operating as a soft power hegmon where we don't demand things but rather we can simply ask nicely about things and the others will go along simply because its minor compared to what we have done for them and it doesn't hurt them.
That's what
@Nottheunmaker have been saying? At least that's the impression I got.
they were a bit more round about with it.
More like leaving room for interpretation. So far if the Helghast have wanted something from their neighbors, they've been able to bribe or call in favors from past bribes to get it done. They haven't used force much yet, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of it in the future.
The problem is the EU style system requires sacrificing sovereignty which none of the member states would ever agree to. extended trade agreements, research, and a robust defense pacts are probably how things will turn out. And trying to press beyond that risks destroying everything we are building, its not worth it just to say we can paint the map with our name a bit bigger. Thats the trap the Great Houses fell into, and look where it got them.
Never say never. The Republic has been very good at enabling the various large powers to accomplish their own goals, solving disputes between them while also helping to develop their technology, industry and culture. The ORDI is a never before seen development between these powers, and given how such agreements are likely seen by outside powers, and how important appearances are to nations like this, that they agreed at all indicates they're more open to the idea then they've ever been before.
Mostly because we have no interest in making an Empire out of them. We want allies not subjects and a barrier. We have our own area of interest we want them to help protect that and get things going so we can resist any other power trying to start shit with us or our friends.
I can see that, but only after you explained it like that. But given how it seems most nations behave I think it's more likely to be seen as a kind of empire building. More maybe just converting those powers from within.
During the Succession War, the Taurian Concordat fought with a great deal of ammunition supplied by the Helghast. While can't say how well they would've done without it, I think they took something like ten worlds with that ammo. Not to mention the anti-grav tech they've developed, though limited, is known to be somethingonly the Helghast had. The Aurigan Coalition current leader was supported partly by Magistracy, but very publicly by the Helghast, and again during the war Helghan troops personally defend Coalition planets. And the Magistracy of Canopus greatly owes the Helghast for not only halting the backslide of their biomedical industry, which was one of their greater claims to fame, but is even now working with them to generate new developments.
Plus day-to-day, the Helghast export lots of personal electronics only they seem to know to produce to all of these powers in addition to other technological goods, and a great deal of military goods as well. And now their focusing hard on culture trade, and while Helghan is likely to become the main cultural melting pot of the Periphery, that melding culture is getting re-exported back out with heavy overtones of the Helghan Republic's already strong culture. Not to mention all these Helghan lead research initiatives and Helghan businesses setting up branches in ORDI nations.
While this doesn't seem to be the intent, if people are using Helghast computers to watch Helghast movies, working at Helghast companies, and those people are defended by Helghast guns and sometimes even Helghast soldiers, then from the outside those people of Taurian, Aurigan and Canopus nationalities look like the Helghast.
Also for the Helghast thing while they are superior to baseline humans it isn't nearly as much as it was played up to be. And the hair loss and paleness were not from the changes but from not having good health care or nutrition. Same with the mask they don't need them they just keep them because they are cultural. They are still pale but no more than a normal person that doesn't get a lot of sun and they have hair unless they are balding or shaving.
I would have to dig deeper to find a proper cite, but IIRC this last bit has been heavily downplayed/retconned as having been mostly propaganda pushed by the fascists (Visari and co) while they were in control as part of their justifications for the rest of the stuff they did.
Just to be clear, is this something from Killzone canon, or is it just for this quest?
So we're the equivalent of the Terran Hegemony? Actually, extending this comparison further, ORDI could be seen as something similar to the Star League. The main difference is that we actually share our tech and aren't being a bag of dicks. It also helps that we don't have a Drac equivalent that's constantly stirring shit up.
We definitely aren't being a bag of dicks, but we haven't actually done all that much tech sharing - there's been a few joint research projects and we've been happy to share the products of our techbase, but none of the major tech advances (all of the petrusite derived stuff, our FTL method, our FTL comms) have been shared as of yet.
The Helghast treat their tech as a trade tool far as I've seen. If someone has a tech they want, they'll trade their own tech for it.
Okay, that's responses. I've still got a few questions about Helghast activities on the independent worlds near them, or at least observations.
Caliban seems straightforward in one way, but a mystery in another. I assume with all the infiltration of the Prospero Pact the idea is to take it down from the inside. But what about the Kahn? I've seen no moves against her, nor attempts to entice. I doubt the Helghast are quite so generous as to settle for controlling half a planet, ironic though it would be given the irrelevant events of Shadow Fall, so I'm wondering what the plan is for it.
New Oslo I know has lots of Star League tech buried under the ice, but the last action I saw voted for was selling guns to the sides that don't have guns. I'm guessing this is to sew instability on the planet like was originally done for Portland that the Republic can use as a front to go in and take over, especially with the very low local technology levels. Then rebuild the orbital mirrors to make the place much more habitable and defrost the SL tech.
Tiverton is easy. It's unstable, is near those Pirate worlds and can't put up a unified front. Better to make them part of the Republic now then have them make trouble later, or join up with the pirate empire.
Rockwellawan is what I'm most confused by. I get they're in a dangerous position and we want to help them out, but I'm not clear on long-term goals for the planet or if there even are any.
Anyway, just want to know if I'm missing the mark and by how much if so.
