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Mr. Prometheus, what is the socio-industrial rating for Helghan? Just kinda curious and I couldn't find it in the information sections.
 
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Mr. Prometheus, what is the socio-industrial rating for Helghan? Just kinda curious and I couldn't find it in the information sections.
I can't remember the exact values, but I'm pretty sure it was something like A-A-A-A-D. It's essentially equivalent to the best of the Inner Sphere in terms of industrial capacity and mining, but it's godawful for food security.
 
I really like how you trust the DM of this quest. would you also trust him if he says a room "appears" to be clear? While I do doubt that we will see any major action (such as an invasion) taken against military infrastructure at this time, this is far more than just angry malcontents; This is an organized terror attack and our neighbors will be taking notes on how we will react. To take a real-world example, did you think America sat on it's laurels while 9/11 was happening? Did they just allow air travel to continue in the midst of a terror attack? Maybe you should read up on it a bit.

9/11 US is a ''not how to'' when it comes to anti-terrorism for everywhere except some african countries
 
I guess I hadn't made it clear, but that was the end of player interaction for the section. The next post will be a follow up to explain the consequences and then we'll go back to yearly turns. The reason is basically just that it'd take ages to sort out if I continued doing it that way and it's not super necessary.
 
Did we try to infiltrate Menke in order to spy on the Big Mac? I think I remember something along those lines, but if we didn't then that seems to be the best early warning we could have for aggression by the Celestial Mandate.
 
Did we try to infiltrate Menke in order to spy on the Big Mac? I think I remember something along those lines, but if we didn't then that seems to be the best early warning we could have for aggression by the Celestial Mandate.
We have spies in place on the border regions. We tried to get some in deeper but instead of working to increase the number in the border regions which was what I thought we were doing we literally went deeper into Mandate space and we had to withdraw because MASK was too good.
 
Right, but I'm talking about an action specifically to put watchers on the MAC, cause let's face, they're the only unit worth a s**t in the mandate. Any offensive action will have to include them, and one may be in the offing. The mandate may soon make a bid for Coalition industrial worlds, or just straight up absorb the trinity league. Either one will require McCarron Armored Calvary and just knowing if they've left Menke for a jump off point will give us sufficient warning (hopefully).
 
Right, but I'm talking about an action specifically to put watchers on the MAC, cause let's face, they're the only unit worth a s**t in the mandate. Any offensive action will have to include them, and one may be in the offing. The mandate may soon make a bid for Coalition industrial worlds, or just straight up absorb the trinity league. Either one will require McCarron Armored Calvary and just knowing if they've left Menke for a jump off point will give us sufficient warning (hopefully).
No, we do not because they are not on the border region which is the only area we have assests deployed and ready in. And if the Mandate is stupid enough to attack the Aurigans then they get attacked by literally everyone. All 3 other powers are stronger than the Mandate with even the Aurigans being stronger once they stop hiding the Nautilus units. Not even the Big Mac would be able to do anything since even at full strength one of our Divisions still outnumbers them more than 3 to 1 in terms of firepower.
 
@Adventwolf
The eventual successor to the Leo, the Aries ORDI Mass production Tank. not much of a preformace boost since all the differences could done as a refit but there is something to be said about having a desgin intended to eventually found in every ORDI planet's Milita motor pool in combo with that 25 ton hull i did..
Code:
Ares Tank
Base Tech Level: Experimental Mixed (Base IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: E/X-X-X-F

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 895
Cost: 1,780,000 C-bills

Movement: 4/6 (Tracked)
Engine: 200 Fuel Cell

Internal: 25
Armor: 179 (Ferro-Fibrous)
        Internal  Armor   
---------------------------
Front          5     46   
Right          5     35   
Left           5     35   
Rear           5     28   
Turret         5     35   

Weapons                  Loc  Heat 
------------------------------------
Large Chem Laser (Clan)   TU    6   
MML 5                     TU    3   
Large Chem Laser (Clan)   TU    6   
Machine Gun               FR    0   
Machine Gun               TU    0   
Machine Gun               TU    0   

Ammo                       Loc  Shots 
---------------------------------------
Large Chemical Laser Ammo   BD     10 
Large Chemical Laser Ammo   BD     10 
MML 5 LRM Ammo              BD     24 
MML 5 SRM Ammo              BD     20 
Large Chemical Laser Ammo   BD     10 
Half Machine Gun Ammo       BD    100 

Equipment  Loc 
----------------
CASE        BD
 
@Adventwolf
The eventual successor to the Leo, the Aries ORDI Mass production Tank. not much of a preformace boost since all the differences could done as a refit but there is something to be said about having a desgin intended to eventually found in every ORDI planet's Milita motor pool in combo with that 25 ton hull i did..
Code:
Ares Tank
Base Tech Level: Experimental Mixed (Base IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    -
Advanced        -
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: E/X-X-X-F

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 895
Cost: 1,780,000 C-bills

Movement: 4/6 (Tracked)
Engine: 200 Fuel Cell

Internal: 25
Armor: 179 (Ferro-Fibrous)
        Internal  Armor  
---------------------------
Front          5     46  
Right          5     35  
Left           5     35  
Rear           5     28  
Turret         5     35  

Weapons                  Loc  Heat
------------------------------------
Large Chem Laser (Clan)   TU    6  
MML 5                     TU    3  
Large Chem Laser (Clan)   TU    6  
Machine Gun               FR    0  
Machine Gun               TU    0  
Machine Gun               TU    0  

Ammo                       Loc  Shots
---------------------------------------
Large Chemical Laser Ammo   BD     10
Large Chemical Laser Ammo   BD     10
MML 5 LRM Ammo              BD     24
MML 5 SRM Ammo              BD     20
Large Chemical Laser Ammo   BD     10
Half Machine Gun Ammo       BD    100

Equipment  Loc
----------------
CASE        BD
Cool add it to the Unit PM and I will threadmark it.
 
Did you even definitively state what industrial rating is necessary to maintain a MAWLR?
I don't think so, but it'd be a B rating in both Technological Sophistication and Industrial Development if you want to support a MAWLR in the long term. You could probably stretch one of them to a C with deals, but not both. That said, if you made a mobile variant, you could support it for short term combat operations, though I'd had to see what it is you're fighting that needs a MAWLR to kill.
 
That said, if you made a mobile variant, you could support it for short term combat operations,
Something like the Rattler, maybe, that engages DropShips in orbit with SubCapital lasers and Capital missiles.

Aint no one landing on that continent without express permission or "unusually high" force concentration to saturate the defense with targets.
 
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I don't think so, but it'd be a B rating in both Technological Sophistication and Industrial Development if you want to support a MAWLR in the long term. You could probably stretch one of them to a C with deals, but not both. That said, if you made a mobile variant, you could support it for short term combat operations, though I'd had to see what it is you're fighting that needs a MAWLR to kill.

Could we support one with a HORUS? if it was fed with enough raw resources i mean.
 
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I don't think so, but it'd be a B rating in both Technological Sophistication and Industrial Development if you want to support a MAWLR in the long term. You could probably stretch one of them to a C with deals, but not both. That said, if you made a mobile variant, you could support it for short term combat operations, though I'd had to see what it is you're fighting that needs a MAWLR to kill.
So we can place MAWLRs on Mir and Portland if we want. Independence as well if we finagle a deal for its C rating in Industrial Development. Although, I would imagine that people would want to upgrade them first before we build any more of them.
 
The Horus is a refinery in this universe not a factory. That would just improve the raw material dependency rating. It would speed up the development of the world industrial development rating but that still takes time.
It actually is a factory, it's just an incredibly basic one like the mobile ones y'all already have. It'll make girders and powerlines and concrete, but it can't make advanced electronics or anything that requires uber specialized tools.

But yeah, it can't support a MAWLR.

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So like, a Horus set on a landfill will eat everything there and either separate the materials (to an acceptable purity standard) for more advanced processing or else use them to produce basic products. The same goes for Horuses used on iron deposits, or whatever.
 
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So we can place MAWLRs on Mir and Portland if we want. Independence as well if we finagle a deal for its C rating in Industrial Development. Although, I would imagine that people would want to upgrade them first before we build any more of them.

A better question is what rating Detroit has, because, while it's unlikely they would agree, a MAWLR would be a pretty solid deterrent to pirate aggression
 
Something like the Rattler, maybe, that engages DropShips in orbit with SubCapital lasers and Capital missiles.

Aint no one landing on that continent without express permission or "unusually high" force concentration to saturate the defense with targets.
I feel the answer to that is still "nuke it from orbit".

If you have to land your MAWLER on the other side of the planet and run it all the way back around just to kill the damn thing, it's done its job already.

For that matter, did the MAWLER ever get modernized?
 
It can be argued that it would be overall more efficient to use contragrav platforms of similar scale, though built to at least tolerate being buoyant in bodies of water.

I mean the MAWLR should be able to walk on the sea floor, and to a naval gun shooting up out of the water should make little difference? Some of the missile batteries could be replaced with torpedo ones.
 
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