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- America
Part of me wonders about maybe suggesting Helgan starting a infrastructure, revamp project on each of it planet, should keep pop happy and be useful long term.
The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone
- Thread starter prometheus110
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I doubt they are going to come after us as hard as you think, given that the Fed-Suns, the Lyran Commonwealth, and now the Capellan's have access to Black box tech the FWL and Combine are almost certainly going to follow shortly, their monopoly is already lost. and while the BBs are not as effective as HPGs, they do allow co-ordination even while interdicted abet at a lesser extent thats what Comstar cares about, beyond reading the mail.
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- USA
As long as the Helghan comm network remains in the Periphery, ComStar probably won't be all that concerned, but I can see them devoting resources to make sure it stays there.
I have a question about those maps.
Isn't the Inner Sphere supposed to be an actual sphere, centered around the Sol system, with the radius of 500 ly? Any 2D projections of that should be absolutely nonsensical as maps...
Things would be different if the Inner Sphere would be, say, ten times as large. The Milky Way is only 1000 ly thick, and thus the Inner Sphere would then be ten times as wide as it is thick, making 2D projections somewhat practical.
Isn't the Inner Sphere supposed to be an actual sphere, centered around the Sol system, with the radius of 500 ly? Any 2D projections of that should be absolutely nonsensical as maps...
Things would be different if the Inner Sphere would be, say, ten times as large. The Milky Way is only 1000 ly thick, and thus the Inner Sphere would then be ten times as wide as it is thick, making 2D projections somewhat practical.
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- The internet
Look, a flat map is much easier to deal with from a visualization perspective. Just roll with it.
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- Back in Cali
Good luck since that is The major one on the planet. It also is the thing because of the mirror something we can fix. Look we now have the information we can act as we want and need. We aren't here to fix everything or the universe we are here to survive.
The are not a threat and all of the ORDI is outpacing them vastly. If we ever need to fight them it will be dealt with quickly.
No it is not. We don't track the civilian ships which make up a large amount of the traffic. We only track the larger government owned ships.
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- colombia
yeah,but 3d modelling is a pain in the ass
so just imagine the map we have is like those in childbooks,and the ones used in the history are actual 3d ones
prometheus110
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- La Ballena City Raft
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It supposedly is, but IIRC it's never treated that way in canon, and 3d maps are hard as hell to make so no one bothers.
Mal-3
Fun Tyrant
Also the Inner Sphere is based (at least in theory) on the actual stars in the neighborhood of Earth, and a) nobody knows exactly which star is supposed to be which aside from a few well-known stars in the general lexicon of science fiction, b) all the star positioning, assuming it was ever done with actual star catalogs in mind, used 30+ year old data which is highly inaccurate compared to modern measurements (Example: if we go simply by "distance from Earth" as the one measurement, then the Hyades Cluster ought to be closer to halfway between Earth and the Pleiades, Canopus would be a hell of a lot closer to Earth too, Betelgeuse ought to be in easy jump distance of Helghan, etc.) and c) at some point the developers just stopped trying and scattered dots on the map willy-nilly with no regard to any sort of real world data.
Now, if we had the coordinates for just a handful of stars, like the capital systems, we could use that plus the jump-distance tables for every listed star in the Inner Sphere and make a reasonable approximation of a "realistic" 3D map. It would be a pain in the ass, but there are apps for doing that. Then, once we had that map we could create a less-perfectly-accurate but prettier and easier to parse 2D "subway" map based on it. But we don't have that data, it's either been lost to time as the IP bounced from owner to owner, or it never existed in the first place and I've spent way too long chasing a ghost.
/rant
(Sorry for dropping in like that; BattleTech maps just provoke my inner Ahab.)
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
That is absolutely what is going on. ComStar controls the banks and we broke their monopoly on FTL comms just by being us. . .
I'm more worried about what happens if the Mandate manages to take over the Pirate State.
With an expanded resource base from the Pirate Planets and the Industrial Base of the former Capellan worlds in the Mandate, if anything is going to be a threat to us it would be that.
We should be building up in preparation for a War with the Mandate.
I'm in favor of annexing Tiverton and Expanding our influence on Rockwawellan this turn. We should also start the endgame on Caliban. I'm not sure how to proceed on New Oslo, but maybe we can get some liberalization done as a condition of weapons sales to a faction.
If we can get those 4 planets within our sphere by the time a war with the Mandate Breaks out, I think we'll be in a good position to win.
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- The internet
Personally, I'm more worried about making contact with Detroit. Frankly, the other world's Trinity is threatening don't matter balance of power wise but Detriot is heavily populated, reasonably industrialized, and has a (ruined) battlemech factory. If Com* decides that maybe the factory is actually more easily repairable than everyone thought, Trinity might become substantially more of a pain to deal with.
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KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
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- Chicago
The problem is that Detroit is far enough away from us currently that without a concerted effort towards expanding our sphere in that direction over the next couple turns, the pirates are going to get to it before we do
Tiverton and Rockwawellan are a step in that direction, then we have to head towards Appian. . .
Aztez Fan
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- California
Still means we have 103 ships, and i said "civilain" ships due to those ship class's not being military. So While we dont know how many civilain ftl ships are in helghan, we do know how many government owned ftl ships we have to work with. So again its 103 ships with only 56 of them being Combat vessels and 8 being close to Warship grade with some others waiting to be upraged into such when we have the tech for it.
Edit: I do have to ask tho, what is the rato of civilian to Government ships in the Helghan republic?
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- USA
Full support for Tiverton annexation 5 mil is the largest we have incorporated but at 7.71 bil still a small percentage of our population. I would also look to extending commercial comms and maybe using that to entice worlds like Rockwellan to join up (at 70 mil would be a nice sized increase). Going back to Tiverton it smoothes out our border between Portland and Independence. We should also consider contacting Sacrifice, while small we want to add nations in and get them used to a federal republic government as well as start bringing them up to par.
Also the 5 influence to annex Tiverton we make that up in a turn and have a good sized stockpile.
Also next turn if we can fit in a small defense station over independence or charbydis as ideally we keep at least a small over each world though those are lower priority on AP expenditures for me. But also a potential selling point to new members is that we can defend you from pirate raids and the stations and cruisers represent that.
Edit- Looking at the political options (ignoring trinity league)
[] Contact the inhabitants of Spencer- out beyond Chadan, near Cygnus- pop likely in the millions
[] Contact the inhabitants of Cygnus- out beyond Chadan near the Mafistracy, also near Spencer- pop likely in the millions
[] Contact the inhabitants of Appian- out beyond Rockwellan is on the way to Detroit so if we want to influence Detroit pulling Appian seems solid, population under 1 million
[] Contact the inhabitants of Fronq- 500mil people near Cygnus would be a large addition to our realm (total population for all of our worlds is 1.71 billion most on Helgan)- diplo contacts should be opened soon, if we can get them to join is likely to pull several smaller worlds with them- if we think we can convince them to join they should be a top target
[] Contact the inhabitants of Argus- if this is Argos on the map it is quite far from our current territory would want to grab the worlds in between first
[] Contact the inhabitants of McEvan's Sacrifice- small world of 200k near Independence- would move us closer to Chadan and Fronq
[] Annex Tiverton (-5 influence total): By deploying numerous civil, military, and diplomatic resources, the Republic should be able to annex the system of Tiverton with minimal protest from our neighbours. [Progress: 0/2 turns] [Action Point Locked Until Completed] 5 million in between Portland and Independence recommend annexation next turn
Also the 5 influence to annex Tiverton we make that up in a turn and have a good sized stockpile.
Also next turn if we can fit in a small defense station over independence or charbydis as ideally we keep at least a small over each world though those are lower priority on AP expenditures for me. But also a potential selling point to new members is that we can defend you from pirate raids and the stations and cruisers represent that.
Edit- Looking at the political options (ignoring trinity league)
[] Contact the inhabitants of Spencer- out beyond Chadan, near Cygnus- pop likely in the millions
[] Contact the inhabitants of Cygnus- out beyond Chadan near the Mafistracy, also near Spencer- pop likely in the millions
[] Contact the inhabitants of Appian- out beyond Rockwellan is on the way to Detroit so if we want to influence Detroit pulling Appian seems solid, population under 1 million
[] Contact the inhabitants of Fronq- 500mil people near Cygnus would be a large addition to our realm (total population for all of our worlds is 1.71 billion most on Helgan)- diplo contacts should be opened soon, if we can get them to join is likely to pull several smaller worlds with them- if we think we can convince them to join they should be a top target
[] Contact the inhabitants of Argus- if this is Argos on the map it is quite far from our current territory would want to grab the worlds in between first
[] Contact the inhabitants of McEvan's Sacrifice- small world of 200k near Independence- would move us closer to Chadan and Fronq
[] Annex Tiverton (-5 influence total): By deploying numerous civil, military, and diplomatic resources, the Republic should be able to annex the system of Tiverton with minimal protest from our neighbours. [Progress: 0/2 turns] [Action Point Locked Until Completed] 5 million in between Portland and Independence recommend annexation next turn
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Again we have been over this, they literally can't do that without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it's still just normal economics at play, the Republic is expensive do to its high tech levels and production. At this point odds are it's going to stabilize at 25% and stop. This the big reason why I said we need to open up the ftl com to trade, to recoup those losses.
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
And if you're wrong it'll be too late to mitigate the damage by the time you finally deign to act.
At least look into what's going on so we can have actual data instead of guesses. . .
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- nz
In either case building our own Central Bank/Federal reserve for ORDI solves or mitigates the problem by allowing our own regulation of financial services, commerce and taxes.
Again, that isn't how it works. we cannot just arbitrarily build/add things like that to ORDI, its a defense treaty like NATO and very specifically nothing else because none of the other nations in the ORDI either trust each other or think its in their interest to be tied together that way. The Taurians and Canopians still consider each other to be rivals and had to be bribed with FTL Comms to join, weather they honor the agreement if one or the other gets attacked is anyone's guess and while the Taurians Coalition relationship is better its still tense and the Coalition is still extremely weak so yeah the AC is going to be warry on that front.
The point i am trying to get at is that A) we do not have the ability to just add things to ORDI, its a treaty with other countries not our personal plaything, and B) we currently lack the standing, fiscal reserve, and power to create such an over arching bank anyways. This is something to think about far far down the line.
No, right now we need to K.I.S.S and build up what we have currently my goals are right now
1. Open/improve the FTL comms for civilian use, both to improve our economy and increase cultural contact between ORDI members and help normalize relations
2. Organize regular ORDI meetings of members via FTL Comms to discuss important issues and in person meetings for sensitive issues, Specifically set up a meeting regarding sale of surplus ships and (i.e. i am trying to sell all the ships in one shot/action rather than having to spend ten actions to do so they can pay in installments for all i care), again also helps normalize relations
3. Plan out further expansion/defense of the FTL network, current issue is the line to the MoC.
4. Work toward increased intelligence sharing between member nations. I.E we can bring up detecting CC Blackboxes and if so inclined the "CM" Spies and the possibility of body doubles.
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cryptoam
building an 1980s encrypted protocol
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- in lockdown waiting and bored...
Problem isn't shipping(we could already do that with the MAWLR), it's maintenece. Without a high techbase, a planet can not sustain the use of a MAWLR for long. The Horus can self maintain thankfully.
I already covered that, given the ranking system a B rated planet for production/tech is enough to maintain one barring major/extreme damage and pairing one with a Horus factory negates this problem entirely if given the resources, which unless its on a primative world its fine.
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- nz
I wasn't suggesting that we could arbitrarily add things to ORDI. All the nations do trust each other to some extent and think it is in their interest or they would not have joined/created ORDI.
They didn't really believe we could pull off the FTL network. They signed up to ORDI anyway because it provided security against the inner sphere, of which everybody has an acknowledged commonality of interest. The instability caused by AC civil war probably helped also. They will honour the agreement because they are seeing positive results such as being able to buy mechs, research agreements and advanced technology and industrial imports from us. They are also probably next if they don't step in to defend they're allies. We contributed massively to AC during the war and practically rebuilt and upgraded there industry afterwards. We backed the Taurians when they took some of the CC. We helped rebuild/save the Canopians education system. They have enough good reasons and trust to work with us on financial regulation and creating a shared banking systems.
Yes, I think everyone already wants this.
We are already having regular ORDI meetings of members via FTL Comms. It's why we built it.
Yes, I think everyone already plans to do this. Same as point 1 and both are tied together.
Yes. We have been working to increase intelligence sharing with ORDI and will likely continue to do so.
Trading Blackboxes and body double info to our allies will probably be an option at some point? Otherwise do a write in for that and ship sales.
None of this is a reason why we could not reach out to our allies to establish an interstellar bank or set up financial regulations for trade. They will likely be experiencing the same volatility as us and so will have a shared interest in at least some basic market regulations. The traders and companies that move between members of ORDI would benefit greatly from interstellar banking as it would make it easier and less risky. I'm not saying to immediately integrate our economies, just to set up a shared set of rules and services to make it easier to trade without damaging each others economic stability. Given that trade has already expanded to a point where currency valuations are effecting us this much, we are already past the point of needing it.
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Given we just finished it, no we haven't really. so far none of the other nations outside of the AC have reached out for anything, which suggests no major meetings are happening. So yes, i want a meeting, primarily so we can try and sell all of the surplus ships at once rather than spending 10 actions to do so.
The problem is that they are not suffering the same economic woes we are, because they have been tied into the international economy for centuries. certain economic agreements makes sense, but in no way is that the same as a joint bank.
If it was normal economics, then whatever penalty from higher-than-normal fluctuations would gradually reverse after the exchange rate stabilized at whatever equilibrium is natural and people stopped avoiding cross-currency transactions due to unpredictability.
Arguing that what's going to happen is that it will approach an arbitrary penalty and stay there indefinitely implies you think that the currency exchange is always going to be wildly fluctuating, which would only happen if someone was consistently and deliberately fucking with exchange rates.
No... this isn't some sort of abnormal fluctuation, this is the fact that our isolated economy is becoming part of the IS economy, and our costs being way higher than most other places in the IS due to standards of living, pay, etc etc. Honestly the fact that this is being spread over 3-5 years is nice on the QMs part, given this could have hit all at once. The QM is wording it really badly but whats happening hear is that people are realizing how expensive Republic made stuff and services are, and are going else where instead, hence the drop in exports. we could try and help subsidize some of the failing industries but thats more of a band aid than anything else, but this isn't something that can be 'fixed' barring direct currency manipulation on our part which has major downsides like making our currency untrustworthy and unstable not to mention pissing off our neighbors. Really the only thing we can do is to focus on what we are good at, i.e. high end equipment (because normal stuff is cheaper to get from the TC and AC), research and development, and tourism.
We don't have proof but i suspect the same thing in reverse is whats drawing investment/interest to the Menke system, its cheap because at the end of the day its still a Capellan system and has growth potential.
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