Research boosts are a percentage of the total item cost, the increases from national ideas are a percentage increase to your base research speed.
How many times do I have to tell you that the Helghast name is not three generations old. It is created by Vasari in fact here is what the information on the Helghast say about the name. They don't hide shit they have been completely upfront about the horrors they unleashed and suffered with everyone. The name means nothing to them it isn't about hiding anything by your logic the Germans never should have stopped using their other name from WW2. You are using a action typed by me as your "proof" that Helghast is what everyone calls themselves when it is shown in the majority of updates that they are called Helghan instead. But considering I expected this from you because of past experince not surprised this is what you want to make a stance on. And frankly you aren't worth this effort anymore and it is just a wate of everyone's time now.
Okay then shouldn't for armor and structural materials then shouldn't the 5% bonuses be .25 instead of .05?
You can be as angry and deny it all you want, it's your right do so and I won't stop ya from it.🤔 I guess... all I can say now is have a good night.
No.
save it for the shields cause I want to do it and get the Khage.
No because primitive is more than enough for a very long time. The next update will not be unitl all techs are at standard. That means fusion reactors, Fusion drives, Improved warpdrives, armor, structure, new sensors, standard Petrusite space weapons, Standard Irradiated Petrusite Space Weapons, Ballistics for Guass weapons, and Standard explosives.
The only person denying anything is you here. You have made false claims that have been shown as such. By the start of the game 17 years is all that has past since Vasari started his Helghast Supremacy shtick and we have not been using Helghast for the last 17 years since that start and even if we did then it would still only be a single generation at best. We haven't used that term to describe anything about the people past the first few years. As for getting angry no, I am not but tone is hard to get across in words so don't blame you for misrepresenting things again there. But since I know you won't stop since I have seen you do similar in other threads we can just settle it with a word of god then.
Most people from Helghan do, but they do it the way you or I would identify as American/Australian respectively, or people from Portland would refer to themselves as Portlanders. It's not seen as a separate species or anything like what Visari intended.
Alright thanks that ends that.
So, in your opinion, the Standard Armor we're going to develop is actually going to be less effective than IS Standard?
Because that's the only way a fully upgraded Cruiser (with standard Armor and Structure included rather than pre-transition Helghan materials or the Primitive Armor/Structure we've developed) would have less protection than an IS Warship with an equivalent mass of Armor.He's talking about the armor we have now.So, in your opinion, the Standard Armor we're going to develop is actually going to be less effective than IS Standard?
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What Silver said I am talking about the current armor. The newest cruiser would be around a Mass: 480,000 tons and with a good integrity can carry 480 tons of armor but that armor is worth only 0.26 points each or 0.40 at standard. That is not a lot of points because the armor is spread out over a larger area. The thing you seem to be completey missing is that mass means jack the points are all that matter here. That comes out to only 28 points on a single area or less an force to concentrates on one area which is how naval battles are fought will breakthrough because the armor isn't as thick as it would be on a smaller ship.So, in your opinion, the Standard Armor we're going to develop is actually going to be less effective than IS Standard?
Right then - I got sufficiently fed up with you trying to sell me the idea of Warships actually being less protected than a random dropship for any given armor location that I went and downloaded megameklab and tore through it to try and figure out what your malfunction was. What I found was that MML builds warships and assigns armor/weapon values using Capital-scale points, which convert to Standard Aerospace/Battlemech/etc points at a 1:10 ratio that you haven't accounted for.
Yes, being 50-60% better protected is a serious advantage - literally the numerical difference between standard and primitive at some points, only based off of bulk and tonnage instead of tech differences.
For the last time the IS builds things in far more redundant and heavy equipment because that is the way their stuff is designed. Helghan build our things with less redundancy because our equipment is more fragile as has been noted several times. I never said jack about not having armor that was all you being a stubborn dude that won't let things go. But you know what I am done with you at this point nothing more to this conversation can be done.
Hey no problem. I tried to keep it simple but since they wanted more information I just gave it to them. Not my intention to make things difficult but that only accounts for my side here.
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When the Republic began rendering aid to the Aurigan restoration they gained a more accurate image of the effect the war was having on militia forces of the Reach; namely how much the war had already crippled their ability to fight off even the weakest of pirate bands. In response, the military offered research grants to various companies to develop inexpensive Armored Fighting vehicles for export to Helgan's trading partners.
Liversten Heavy Industries was the first to accept one of the offered research grants and rapidly set to work despite not having much of a history of military products. What they did have however was a great deal of experience in constructing industrial vehicles that would be shipped as a collection of parts to the worksite and assembled by the end-user. Their engineering staff quickly seized on institutional experience to guide the design of what would become the Lobo series of Combat Vehicles.
The design of the Lobo allows LHI to produce each distinct segment of the tank on its own production line before either assembling them at the factory to ship as a completed unit or by shipping the parts to the buyer where a team of poorly trained militia technicians can assemble the Lobo using nothing but a forklift and hand tools. This style of construction allows for ease of customization nearly unheard of in the Inner Sphere as the modular construction style means that a buyer simply needs to order the right modules to configure the chassis into the needed role: from a humble APC to a Mech hunter optimized for ambush tactics.
Code:Lobo Mech Hunter Mass: 35 tons Movement Type: Wheeled Power Plant: 85 Fuel Cell Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph Maximum Speed: 54 kph Armor: Standard Armament: 1 Machine Gun 1 MRM 10 1 AC/10 Manufacturer: Liversten Heavy Industries Primary Factory: Helghan Communication System: Liversten Audio System Targeting & Tracking System: Pharoah Lockscreen Introduction Year: 3145 Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E Cost: 702,454 C-bills Helghan Cost: 561,963 C-bills Type: Lobo Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) Movement Type: Wheeled Tonnage: 35 Battle Value: 491 Equipment Mass Internal Structure 3.5 Engine 85 Fuel Cell 3 Cruising MP: 3 Flank MP: 5 Heat Sinks: 1 0 Control Equipment: 2.0 Power Amplifier: 0.0 Turret: 1.5 Armor Factor 96 6 Internal Armor Structure Value Front 4 24 R/L Side 4/4 19/19 Rear 4 15 Turret 4 19 Weapons and Ammo Location Tonnage Trailer Hitch Rear 0.0 Vehicular Mine Dispenser Rear 0.5 Machine Gun Front 0.5 AC/10 Turret 12.0 MRM 10 Turret 3.0 Half Machine Gun Ammo (100) Body 0.5 MRM 10 Ammo (24) Body 1.0 CASE Body 0.5 AC/10 Ammo (10) Body 1.0
Code:Lobo APC Mass: 35 tons Movement Type: Wheeled Power Plant: 225 Fuel Cell Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph Armor: Standard Armament: 3 Machine Gun 1 SRM 4 Manufacturer: Liversten Heavy Industries Primary Factory: Helghan Communication System: Liversten Audio System Targeting & Tracking System: Pharoah Lockscreen Introduction Year: 3145 Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-C Cost: 754,938 C-bills Helghan Cost: 603,950 C-bills Type: Lobo Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) Movement Type: Wheeled Tonnage: 35 Battle Value: 460 Equipment Mass Internal Structure 3.5 Engine 225 Fuel Cell 12 Cruising MP: 7 Flank MP: 11 Heat Sinks: 1 0 Control Equipment: 2.0 Power Amplifier: 0.0 Turret: 0.5 Armor Factor 104 6.5 Internal Armor Structure Value Front 4 28 R/L Side 4/4 20/20 Rear 4 16 Turret 4 20 Weapons and Ammo Location Tonnage Trailer Hitch Rear 0.0 Machine Gun Rear 0.5 2 Machine Guns Turret 1.0 SRM 4 Turret 2.0 Half Machine Gun Ammo (100) Body 0.5 CASE Body 0.5 SRM 4 Ammo (25) Body 1.0 Infantry Body 5.0
Code:Lobo IFV Mass: 35 tons Movement Type: Wheeled Power Plant: 190 Fuel Cell Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph Armor: Standard Armament: 3 Machine Gun 2 SRM 6 Manufacturer: Liversten Heavy Industries Primary Factory: Helghan Communication System: Liversten Audio System Targeting & Tracking System: Pharoah Lockscreen Introduction Year: 3145 Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E Cost: 875,179 C-bills Helghan Cost: 700,143 C-bills Type: Lobo Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) Movement Type: Wheeled Tonnage: 35 Battle Value: 603 Equipment Mass Internal Structure 3.5 Engine 190 Fuel Cell 9 Cruising MP: 6 Flank MP: 9 Heat Sinks: 1 0 Control Equipment: 2.0 Power Amplifier: 0.0 Turret: 1.0 Armor Factor 120 7.5 Internal Armor Structure Value Front 4 29 R/L Side 4/4 24/24 Rear 4 19 Turret 4 24 Weapons and Ammo Location Tonnage Trailer Hitch Rear 0.0 Vehicular Mine Dispenser Rear 0.5 Machine Gun Front 0.5 2 Machine Guns Turret 1.0 2 SRM 6s Turret 6.0 Half Machine Gun Ammo (100) Body 0.5 CASE Body 0.5 SRM 6 Ammo (30) Body 2.0 Infantry Body 1.0
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The Leo is meant as a stronger more powerful option for the militia units in both the Helghan Republic and the IS neighbors they have. Similar to the Lobo it is usually sold with the Leo main battle tank and SPG variants are becoming a common sight across the Periphery as exports and sales continue.
The second Company to successfully produce a platform for Helgan's efforts to rearm the Aurigan Reach was the newly formed Mir Industrial Union. While on paper lacking any history of military production the company had successfully poached a number of engineers from more established companies and quickly hired a number of tankers and technicians who had served previously in the Helghan military. This effort allowed them to rapidly prototype what many would call a boring but practical 50-ton tank chassis.
While slow for its size the Leo quickly proved in tests to live up to the Helghan military's desire for simple and reliable designs. the MIU 200 Fuel cell engine childishly simple in design compared to many of the other engines developed during this time and MIr Industrial's decision for almost excessive redundancy in the electronics package meant that tank was able to remain combat capable longer than the other medium tank designs offered for High Command's consideration.
The built in CASE system is actually the most 'innovative' of its features as MIU combined the cellular storage system with a new take on the old concept of Wet Storage via a newly developed Fire retardant gel that also served as a lubricant for the autoloader. This leads to the Leo having a lower chance of weapon jams and a higher threshold for ammo cook-offs.
Code:Leo Main Battle Tank Mass: 50 tons Movement Type: Tracked Power Plant: 200 Fuel Cell Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph Armor: Standard Armament: 1 Machine Gun 1 TAG 1 SRM 6 1 AC/10 Manufacturer: Mir Industrial Union Primary Factory: Mir Communication System: Mir comm sat Targeting & Tracking System: Pharoah Lockscreen Introduction Year: 3145 Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D Cost: 1,610,500 C-bills Helghan Cost: 1,288,400 C-bills Type: Leo Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) Movement Type: Tracked Tonnage: 50 Battle Value: 752 Equipment Mass Internal Structure 5 Engine 200 Fuel Cell 10.5 Cruising MP: 4 Flank MP: 6 Heat Sinks: 1 0 Control Equipment: 2.5 Power Amplifier: 0.0 Turret: 1.5 Armor Factor 160 10 Internal Armor Structure Value Front 5 39 R/L Side 5/5 32/32 Rear 5 25 Turret 5 32 Weapons and Ammo Location Tonnage Trailer Hitch Rear 0.0 Machine Gun Front 0.5 TAG Front 1.0 AC/10 Turret 12.0 SRM 6 Turret 3.0 Half Machine Gun Ammo (100) Body 0.5 CASE Body 0.5 AC/10 Ammo (20) Body 2.0 SRM 6 Ammo (15) Body 1.0Code:Leo SPG Artillery Mass: 50 tons Movement Type: Tracked Power Plant: 200 Fuel Cell Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph Armor: Standard Armament: 1 Sniper Manufacturer: Mir Industrial Union Primary Factory: Mir Communication System: Mir comm sat Targeting & Tracking System: Pharoah Lockscreen Introduction Year: 3145 Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E Cost: 1,477,000 C-bills Helghan Cost: 1,181,600 C-bills Type: Leo Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced) Movement Type: Tracked Tonnage: 50 Battle Value: 481 Equipment Mass Internal Structure 5 Engine 200 Fuel Cell 10.5 Cruising MP: 4 Flank MP: 6 Heat Sinks: 1 0 Control Equipment: 2.5 Power Amplifier: 0.0 Turret: 2.0 Armor Factor 104 6.5 Internal Armor Structure Value Front 5 28 R/L Side 5/5 20/20 Rear 5 16 Turret 5 20 Weapons and Ammo Location Tonnage Trailer Hitch Rear 0.0 Sniper Turret 20.0 Sniper Ammo (30) Body 3.0 CASE Body 0.5
Perhaps it's a typo and it's meant to be the the Sniper Artillery Piece rather then the Sniper Artillery Cannon.
It comes from a bad transfer it is supposed to be a 20 ton cannon . The Long Tom is next higher model at 20. Also they aren't those cannons in the first place. They are only there as a tonnage slot. These are Helghan models that are longer reaching and more accurate in the first place.
MegaMek wasn't showing the artillery piece so I had to improvise.
