KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
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You magnificient bastard!
I was just joking about Fire Mandrill, I didn't think you'd actually do it!
I was just joking about Fire Mandrill, I didn't think you'd actually do it!
The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone
- Thread starter prometheus110
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- Crossover
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- Australia
[X] Get Involved Now.
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- SEAsia
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- Thou
Only the sense that theirs is more refined. Their weapons tech are the same as standard except theirs is less bulky (less crit slots needed) and lighter (less tonnage). They also have the SLDF lostech like XL engines, DHS and ferro-series armor. Naturally, theirs is also less bulky. In some ways we're both more and less advanced.
We obviously dont have ferro carbide or ferro lamellar like they do, but our industrial capacity is ridiculous, we have grav drives that makes ASF more maneuverable, assasult mechs jump higher, petrusite weapons, energy shields, more advanced drones (they only have sds for homeworld defense), warp comms and drives, and everything else nearing parity. Also, our standard lasers, while not as long ranged as their ER, are less heat intensive, and longer ranged than their standards. Our AMS is also better (laser vs their flechette kinetics), and longer ranged. We also have ER TAG, actual artillery thats better even than spheroids and compatible with TAG, and better military doctrine and mobility. Not to mention our hover tech is way better and much less noisy, meaning our CVs are way more maneuverable than clanners ever know. In a bog or marsh battlefield, our CVs will really shine.
Dont expect our mechwarriors to match theirs, but a helghan division has excellent odds against a comparable unit so long as we maintain combined arms and common sense. E.g. make sure vehicles prioritize terrain advantages, coordinate arty, aerospace, and infantry with mechs and CVs, etc.
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yes to this
Crafter of War
The Dorf
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- Bend
Um, quick question? How exactly are we going to get our armed forces involved here? The clans are on the other side of the Inner Sphere. We were already getting stretched thin on the naval side of things in the Outback War. How exactly are we suppose to scrape together a logistics line all the way over there without exposing them to all sorts of intrigue bullshit from having to travel through several different states and their systems?
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KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
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- Chicago
I only regret we never got to take control of the Trinity League.
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- SEAsia
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- Thou
What's left of our armies?
You mean like the remaining 96-97% that's already been replenished?
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- SEAsia
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- Thou
Didja really think we'd just twiddle thumbs for months knowing this was coming? Discord questers have been discussing for months how to make this happen. Prom already confirmed we'd have, at the very least, enough for a naval battlegroup of battlecruisers, carriers and some lighter warships, plus a sizeable ground force.
Can we save Rasalhague? Not really, maybe if they were next door neighbors. At best we can slow the invasion, but ultimately, no matter how many fights we win, itll be a fighting retreat. We cant afford to be encircled, even with naval dominance on our side. We still need friendly neighboring worlds to maintain supply lines. But that's all assuming the rest of the IS just drops the ball and does nothing.
This was the whole point of contacting Rasalhague. We had a logical excuse (first try failed, second go bogaloo) even without in-universe knowledge of clans. It's also why plans to diplomacy lyrans are also considered. They can help us maintain a logistical corridor. Tikonov should be scared shitless after what happened to FS, and the capellans will support logistical stops in their territory. Caps alone should answer half or so of the journey for us. For logistics, we'd really only need the most sensitive (warship) or unique (petrusite) supplies from the republic itseld. Anything else like food, medical supplies, etc can be bought local.
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Do the clans already know about us, or is their information outdated?
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
And how's our overstretched, under-supplied logistical and combat naval capacity? Did that get fixed off-screen? If we can't move unit and supplies in a timely manner to keep up with high-intensity combat, we're going to see that 97% is going to turn to 0 in a blink.
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- Thou
Who knows. Also since Prom considered a stronger invasion, maybe there are more clans coming and this wave was sent in first to gauge our abilities. Or maybe this is it? Or maybe Wolf Dragoons sent a more updated briefing in this timeline.
also Comstar is panicking. They may stop the dum dum games for a while and help us set up the supply lines.
In all honestly we will likely not see combat for the frist year as we set up our supplylines and squeeze on the IS to not do stupid shit while we are pulling their neo-fudeal asses out of this trash-fire monument to their sins.
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- Thou
Uh, no? Why do you think we've been building up anchorages? And keep in mind you're arguing with what Prom's already calculated as something we can support overseas. Like, that's literally one of the first things that was asked considering Clan invasion was confirmed.
"Hey Prom, how much can we send to Rasalhague?"
Like, i get that people are not at fault if they dont keep up with every conversation about LoR. But it's also not our fault if people miss out. Especially for those who dont bother with the discord channel. It's literally easier to discuss plans there compared to here.
This is literally the, "finally some actual use for their warships" moment they never thought would come.
They should be glad they dont hafta spitshine theirs for a parade or something.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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I don't see any talk about that from the QM outside the updates. Have I just not put in the right keyword, or is this another Discord-only thing?
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Discord. It's really just easier to do multi-person convo there.
In short, dont panic about peeps wanting to intervene ASAP. The army reorg, contacting rasalhague, finishing outback war ASAP and with overwhelming force, this all was made in consideration of giving us more options during the invasion. People have been hashing out the best mix of forces for what to send, how long it will take to get there before rasalhague is overrun and friendly infrastructure is lost, how IS and comstar will respond and how receptive they will be to us contributing a naval-backed expeditionary force (we predict a "can we have seconds please?" especially for Comstar).
Also, tis why i will never shut up about us having petrusite EMP already in VTOL form. Gonna go over, zap an omni, and drag it back for reverse engineering that less bulky and lighter clan techs.
Iirc the 1st Army has been the first recipient of the reforms, and they have been at home most of the time. In all likelihood we will be sending elements from them as our overseas force. Theyll also help further refine and test out our reforms. Combined Arms vs Mechwarrior Mafia - Clans Edition.
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Mal-3
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The hour has finally come. Who shall be the true lords of ruin, the mad socialist mutants from another dimension or the eugenics cultists from a distant star? Both seek to overturn the way of things, but only one will ascend to the top.
Ladies, gentlemen and nonbinary nobility, please place your bets.
I would argue that the better use for Helghan forces would be to start sniffing out the Clans' supply and communication lines back to Strana Mechty and start dropping MAWLRs on 'em. Full metal fuckery on the baggage train is the best way to crack these bastards.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
I know there was a short summary a few posts back but could you, or someone else, drop off some of the proposals and explanations for how they're supposed to work? I don't doubt that we have enough for a first wave, but I'm acting under the assumption any sane military planner has for equipment: It will be used until broken or destroyed. So what our homeland defense will be and capacity to replenish+ship out casualties should be a priority for planners.
Also Clan Tech Navy. Snow Raven has at least forty warships, the vast majority of Clan Space's shipyards, and centers each ground army around a fleet led by a battleship, carrier, or Armored Transport. Now, it's not likle ynot all forty are going to drop on us and I don't think any uptweaks will be too extensive, but there's nothing wrong with over-preparing.
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I want to see the clans reaction to us deploying shielded warships to fight them
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Unfortunately we may have to go to war turns just to make sure the FRR is still there for us to help. Or send a naval flotilla with a shit ton of supplies on their droppers.
Iirc it wasnt just clan tech that steamrolled FRR so fast. FRR had a hell of a time shuffling troops to and fro with clan warships interdicting their vessels. Escorting FRR droppers and jumpers might just buy them enough time for our
@Genolution has been arguing it may be better to nix the Pilums and just go with more Noctises to allow for more operational versatility on that end. But we'll see. Prom will give us a chance to make final decisions on what exactly is to be sent, how much supplies perhaps (e.g. 1 war turn's worth, 1 whole year, etc) vs how much local basing negotiations with the IS gets us, probably.
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0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
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While I'm all for fighting the Clans now, if we can wait for half a year to know where they'll be going and knowing what we're facing in-universe would allow us some leeway in fighting them.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Well, "Get Involved" doesn't mean immediately committing our military forces, or committing them at all, judging by previous things like the Arano Restoration or 4th Succession War where we "got involved."
It just means the Helghan Government moves to react to the various situations on a faster and more directly interested timeframe with the assumption that it will be an active participant in them in one way or another.
I imagine our "Get Involved" will be similar here at the start. We're liable to make basically all the arms sales we can to Rasalhague for example.
"Get Involved" from the Helghan Republic's POV doesn't necessarily mean "we are participating in the war directly", but it means "we have decided that this event is a national interest that we ought to pay attention to and involve ourselves in in some way."
It just means the Helghan Government moves to react to the various situations on a faster and more directly interested timeframe with the assumption that it will be an active participant in them in one way or another.
I imagine our "Get Involved" will be similar here at the start. We're liable to make basically all the arms sales we can to Rasalhague for example.
"Get Involved" from the Helghan Republic's POV doesn't necessarily mean "we are participating in the war directly", but it means "we have decided that this event is a national interest that we ought to pay attention to and involve ourselves in in some way."
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0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
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Good. Now I wonder if the Clans have any info about us via the Wolf's Dragoons or Jamie Wolf didn't sent a lot of info back to the Clans barring the general info about us and ORDI.
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Still hoping the Dragoons still decide to aid IS. But honestly, that's more a matter of convenience. I do still think we have everything we need to defeat this invasion. Or rather, the IS has everything it needs to defeat this invasion. Automation and warship development cant have come at a better time.
Also, with Lyrans developing a navy, we might be able to secure some temporary basing rights if we play our cards right. like, they gotta have docks for those warships before they start building them, no? Theyll no doubt be eager to get even a glancing look at our warship design. Partially since we have better warper knowledge, and mostly because our ships just plain look cooler.
Also, with Lyrans developing a navy, we might be able to secure some temporary basing rights if we play our cards right. like, they gotta have docks for those warships before they start building them, no? Theyll no doubt be eager to get even a glancing look at our warship design. Partially since we have better warper knowledge, and mostly because our ships just plain look cooler.
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prometheus110
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That and Clan Wolf had very good logistics, the FRR just wasn't very developed, and the FRR's elected ruler and its military head couldn't agree on a strategy.