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The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)

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In addition to CounterIntelligence to deal with the very purpose of this legion opening it up to infiltration, can I suggest Law training? These guys are in charge of a lot of people who might not trust their own judgement about what The Right Thing To Do is, and while The Law isn't exactly the same as What's Right, the skill needed to navigate legal questions can help with navigating ethics questions.
 
Ekzentric Lohner said:
In addition to CounterIntelligence to deal with the very purpose of this legion opening it up to infiltration, can I suggest Law training? These guys are in charge of a lot of people who might not trust their own judgement about what The Right Thing To Do is, and while The Law isn't exactly the same as What's Right, the skill needed to navigate legal questions can help with navigating ethics questions.
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Varano said:
[ ] Plan ALWAYS VIGILANT
-[ ] Chapter Name: Crusaders Redentor
-[ ] Chapter Colors: Light Green With Silver Lining, Hands Are Bright Red
-[ ] Chapter symbol: Silver Axe in Red Field
-[ ] Chapter Creed: Redemption Through Our Deeds
--[ ] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers
---[ ] Counterintelligence Training: The Chapter is proficient in the art of detecting and thwarting enemy infiltration attempts.
---[ ] Politics: This Chapter has grown adept at manipulating the surrounding political landscape. A sad necessity, in the increasingly politically driven Imperium.
---[ ] Law: This Chapter has a greater understanding of the Imperium's laws and regulations than normal, excellent for dealing with corrupt governors and foolish Inquisitors alike.
-[ ] Extra Land Speeders: The Chapter has access to extra Land Speeders of various Patterns, granting them a more capable fast attack force.
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jjffjhjf said:
Man we get it, this is the third or fourth time in the last 2 pages you've mentioned how sick you are of people having fun in a different way than you. We get it, you want to try new stuff, but your arguments for it haven't been great. Argue about how some new idea you have is more fun and interesting. Not how it annoys you to do something similar to an earlier chapter.

Then like, you hope we don't have an option to double down on stuff? Why would you want to not have options? Being able to double down on options seems really cool to me.
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I don't mind people having fun in a different way than me, otherwise I would be making more of a big deal with choices different than mine. As far as I remember one of the only seri complaints I had about this quest is when people keep insisting on picking the same thing repeatedly even when it doesn't seem like it would make sense or just for the sake of min maxing.

And note, I did bring up the issues when it comes to min maxing telling a better story and even avoided picking choices that would stack just because people made arguments that convinced me that other choices would make for better story telling.

You say we should have options but in my opinion people just picking the same thing repeatedly is just limiting options in the first place. Especially if people are doing it solely to min max. Like me make this clear, I don't really care if my preferred option wins as long as it feels like things aren't getting repetitive. Otherwise I enjoy being along for the ride.

As for why it feels like some options like chaplains and politics should be redundant in cases like this are as follows. One, Space Marines aren't supposed to be political in the vast majority of cases since it's not their job to get involved in such things. This chapter having some does make sense due to their size and dealing with SMs form different chapters but anymore than that seems like it wouldn't make sense since the point in politics seems like it's meant to cover that part. Two, chaplains are there for a specific job and so it seems like us being given extra was to account for the size, so seems like extra wouldn't really add much of anything.

And note, iirc the QM did confirm that some choices in some cases are outright redundant.
 
[X] Plan Create the ultimate warrior
-[X] Write in Fate Reavers
-[X] Write in or post a picture of the chapter colors - Black and Gold
-[X] Write in chapter symbol. - Torn Tapestry
-[X] Write in chapter creed. - Through the darkness we bring the light!
-[X]2 Charges of Extra Trainers
-[X] Librarians: The Chapter's Librarians are particularly well trained, and have far greater resistance to the temptations of the warp. They are far less likely to fall to Perils of the Warp, and offer more potent psychic support.
-[X] Elite Assault Marines: The Assault Marines of this Chapter are a cut above the average, quite literally. Their greater skill offers enhanced fast assault and close quarters ability to the Chapter as a whole.
-[X] More Champions: This Chapter has more Champions than most can claim.

So basically, this chapter concept is entirely based around the idea that our dudes are already absolute powerhouses in melee... so what happens if we give them champions? But wait there's more! Champions who are elite assault marines? But wait, there's more! Champions who are elite assault Librarian marines! What does that even look like? I have no idea, but I can only imagine it looks cool as hell. Especially since occasionally marines become librarians later.... elite assault marine champion who becomes a librarian after some big event, and then becomes a champion librarian champion elite assault marine? Just the mind boggles at the potential for creating a warrior to surpass metal gear. Or possibly actually succeed in wounding Angron? Maybe? I can hope.
 
To be frank, I have little to no experience with this since this is my first time. But I decide to join in the fun and throwing in with my own plan. Only if people choose and want to vote for it. Why? For fun, that's why.

[] Plan: Thunder Redeemers V1
- [] Chapter Name: Thunder Redeemers
- [] Chapter Colors: Mainly black out with metallic gold right arm, left shoulder as per chapter of origin as option for the shamed through they can be allowed to keep their chapter of origin's colors if they don't believed themselves to have fallen into the shamed deeply
- [] Chapter Symbol: A Golden Thunderbolt striking over a Black Shield crest with a nonspecific hound on it
- [] Chapter Creed: For those who are shamed & shunned, you will find not only death but honor, glory, & brotherhood one day among us
--[] Chapter Battlecry: WE SHALL FACED DEATH WITH GLORY & HONOR!
- [] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers.
- [] 1 Charge of More Terminators.
- [] Deepstrikes: More so than even other Space Marines, this Chapter has gained a mastery of the orbital strikes Adeptus Astartes are famous for.
- [] Terminator Training: The Marines of this Chapter are supremely skilled in using the legendary Tactical Dreadnought Armour, more commonly known as Terminator Armor.
- [] More Champions: This Chapter has more Champions than most can claim.
- [] Extra Thunderhawks: The Chapter has access to additional Thunderhawks.

[] Plan: Thunder Redeemers BUT DOUBLING DOWN ON BONUS
- [] Chapter Name: Thunder Redeemers
- [] Chapter Colors: Mainly black out with metallic gold right arm, left shoulder as per chapter of origin as option for the shamed through they can be allowed to keep their chapter of origin's colors if they don't believed themselves to have fallen into the shamed deeply
- [] Chapter Symbol: A Golden Thunderbolt striking over a Black Shield crest with a nonspecific hound on it
- [] Chapter Creed: For those who are shamed & shunned, you will find not only death but honor, glory, & brotherhood one day among us
--[] Chapter Battlecry: WE SHALL FACED DEATH WITH GLORY & HONOR!
- [] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers.
- [] 1 Charge of More Terminators.
- [] Terminator Training: The Marines of this Chapter are supremely skilled in using the legendary Tactical Dreadnought Armour, more commonly known as Terminator Armor.
- [] Chaplains: The Chapter is blessed with more Chaplains than average among its numbers, and higher quality as well. Treachery and corruption will find it far harder to grow within their ranks.
- [] Politics: This Chapter has grown adept at manipulating the surrounding political landscape. A sad necessity, in the increasingly politically driven Imperium.
- [] Deepstrikes: More so than even other Space Marines, this Chapter has gained a mastery of the orbital strikes Adeptus Astartes are famous for.

[] Plan: Thunder Redeemers V2
- [] Chapter Name: Thunder Redeemers
- [] Chapter Colors: Mainly black out with metallic gold right arm, left shoulder as per chapter of origin as option for the shamed through they can be allowed to keep their chapter of origin's colors if they don't believed themselves to have fallen into the shamed deeply
- [] Chapter Symbol: A Golden Thunderbolt striking over a Black Shield crest with a nonspecific hound on it
- [] Chapter Creed: For those who are shamed & shunned, you will find not only death but honor, glory, & brotherhood one day among us
--[] Chapter Battlecry: WE SHALL FACED DEATH WITH GLORY & HONOR!
- [] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers.
- [] 1 Charge of More Terminators.
- [] Terminator Training: The Marines of this Chapter are supremely skilled in using the legendary Tactical Dreadnought Armour, more commonly known as Terminator Armor.
- [] Techmarines: This Chapter has more Techmarines in its ranks than normal, improving the quality of their equipment and allowing them to create a greater quantity of advanced wargear.
- [] Elite Assault Marines: The Assault Marines of this Chapter are a cut above the average, quite literally. Their greater skill offers enhanced fast assault and close quarters ability to the Chapter as a whole.
- [] Extra Assault Packs: The Chapter has enough Assault Packs to equip extra Assault Marines.

[] Plan: Thunder Redeemers V3
- [] Chapter Name: Thunder Redeemers
- [] Chapter Colors: Mainly black out with metallic gold right arm, left shoulder as per chapter of origin as option for the shamed through they can be allowed to keep their chapter of origin's colors if they don't believed themselves to have fallen into the shamed deeply
- [] Chapter Symbol: A Golden Thunderbolt striking over a Black Shield crest with a nonspecific hound on it
- [] Chapter Creed: For those who are shamed & shunned, you will find not only death but honor, glory, & brotherhood one day among us
--[] Chapter Battlecry: WE SHALL FACED DEATH WITH GLORY & HONOR!
- [] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers.
- [] 1 Charge of More Terminators.
- [] Terminator Training: The Marines of this Chapter are supremely skilled in using the legendary Tactical Dreadnought Armour, more commonly known as Terminator Armor.
- [] Deepstrikes: More so than even other Space Marines, this Chapter has gained a mastery of the orbital strikes Adeptus Astartes are famous for.
- [] Elite Assault Marines: The Assault Marines of this Chapter are a cut above the average, quite literally. Their greater skill offers enhanced fast assault and close quarters ability to the Chapter as a whole.
- [] Extra Assault Packs: The Chapter has enough Assault Packs to equip extra Assault Marines.

[] Plan: Thunder Redeemers V4
- [] Chapter Name: Thunder Redeemers
- [] Chapter Colors: Mainly black out with metallic gold right arm, left shoulder as per chapter of origin as option for the shamed through they can be allowed to keep their chapter of origin's colors if they don't believed themselves to have fallen into the shamed deeply
- [] Chapter Symbol: A Golden Thunderbolt striking over a Black Shield crest with a nonspecific hound on it
- [] Chapter Creed: For those who are shamed & shunned, you will find not only death but honor, glory, & brotherhood one day among us
--[] Chapter Battlecry: WE SHALL FACED DEATH WITH GLORY & HONOR!
- [] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers.
- [] 1 Charge of More Terminators.
- [] Terminator Training: The Marines of this Chapter are supremely skilled in using the legendary Tactical Dreadnought Armour, more commonly known as Terminator Armor.
- [] Deepstrikes: More so than even other Space Marines, this Chapter has gained a mastery of the orbital strikes Adeptus Astartes are famous for.
- [] Techmarines: This Chapter has more Techmarines in its ranks than normal, improving the quality of their equipment and allowing them to create a greater quantity of advanced wargear.
- [] Extra Assault Packs: The Chapter has enough Assault Packs to equip extra Assault Marines.

[] Plan: Thunder Redeemers V5
- [] Chapter Name: Thunder Redeemers
- [] Chapter Colors: Mainly black out with metallic gold right arm, left shoulder as per chapter of origin as option for the shamed through they can be allowed to keep their chapter of origin's colors if they don't believed themselves to have fallen into the shamed deeply
- [] Chapter Symbol: A Golden Thunderbolt striking over a Black Shield crest with a nonspecific hound on it
- [] Chapter Creed: For those who are shamed & shunned, you will find not only death but honor, glory, & brotherhood one day among us
--[] Chapter Battlecry: WE SHALL FACED DEATH WITH GLORY & HONOR!
- [] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers.
- [] 1 Charge of More Terminators.
- [] Terminator Training: The Marines of this Chapter are supremely skilled in using the legendary Tactical Dreadnought Armour, more commonly known as Terminator Armor.
- [] Deepstrikes: More so than even other Space Marines, this Chapter has gained a mastery of the orbital strikes Adeptus Astartes are famous for.
- [] Techmarines: This Chapter has more Techmarines in its ranks than normal, improving the quality of their equipment and allowing them to create a greater quantity of advanced wargear.
- [] Extra Thunderhawks: The Chapter has access to additional Thunderhawks.

[] Plan: Thunder Redeemers V6
- [] Chapter Name: Thunder Redeemers
- [] Chapter Colors: Mainly black out with metallic gold right arm, left shoulder as per chapter of origin as option for the shamed through they can be allowed to keep their chapter of origin's colors if they don't believed themselves to have fallen into the shamed deeply
- [] Chapter Symbol: A Golden Thunderbolt striking over a Black Shield crest with a nonspecific hound on it
- [] Chapter Creed: For those who are shamed & shunned, you will find not only death but honor, glory, & brotherhood one day among us
--[] Chapter Battlecry: WE SHALL FACED DEATH WITH GLORY & HONOR!
- [] 2 Charges of Extra Trainers.
- [] 1 Charge of More Terminators.
- [] Deepstrikes: More so than even other Space Marines, this Chapter has gained a mastery of the orbital strikes Adeptus Astartes are famous for.
- [] Techmarines: This Chapter has more Techmarines in its ranks than normal, improving the quality of their equipment and allowing them to create a greater quantity of advanced wargear.
- [] Extra Thunderhawks: The Chapter has access to additional Thunderhawks.
- [] More Champions: This Chapter has more Champions than most can claim.

These are just some of the plans and options I could think up on. Also the color scheme is intentional, to act as a counterpart to the Deathwatch's color scheme.
 
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[X] Plan: Sons Of Absolution
-[x] Write in Name: Sons Of Absolution
-[x] Write in or post a picture of the chapter colors: White Armor with Blue trim and red Aquila.
-[x] Write in chapter symbol. Two Red Axes arranged facing each other blade side like a heart.
-[x] Write in chapter creed. (Optional). "Absolution for the Sons!" When they go into battle And "I absolve you from your sins, in the name of the Father, and of the Sons and of the Golden Throne". When the Shamed are Absolved of their crimes through Death in Duty or Redemption
-[x] Elite Assault Marines: The Assault Marines of this Chapter are a cut above the average, quite literally. Their greater skill offers enhanced fast assault and close quarters ability to the Chapter as a whole.
-[x] More Champions: This Chapter has more Champions than most can claim.
-[x] Law: This Chapter has a greater understanding of the Imperium's laws and regulations than normal, excellent for dealing with corrupt governors and foolish Inquisitors alike.
-[x] Extra Assault Packs: The Chapter has enough Assault Packs to equip extra Assault Marines.

Law is better to go along with this chapters Politics training.
 
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tri2 said:
hmmm all in to CQC then it seems, double triple and quadruple down on the starting CQC traits
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Agreed I made a plan like that.
Taelys said:
Well looks like we got a visit from Trazyn.
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Bloody Magpies more likely.
ShieldCrown said:
Hear me out…

Elite Assault Marines+Extra Assault Packs.

Along with Politics and Chaplains to double down on that aspect.
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Better to get Law for better synergies.
Theia said:
I like this.
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I made that quote imagining Alexander Anderson as a space marine :3
 
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