The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)

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With the leading chapters intended skill set am hoping that they are actually great building defenses and building defenses in a way that forces enemies to fight them at close quarters. Example when taking into considering their close quarters combat specialty and experience with boarding actions/ship combat we may see them do things like set up defenses in areas they entrenched themselves in while expanding said defenses.

Imagine something like a moving wall or metaphorical expanding fortress. Even more terrifying for their enemies is that the defenses are built in a way that they essentially force attackers into close quarters the vast majority of the time.


Seems like they would also be great at fighting in other enclosed spaces like Hive cities or urban combat.
 
If Lucius was truly impressive he would not need a Rez Haxx Trick and would be instead considered in the same leagues of our Swell Guy from Khorne WITHOUT the "Lucius is Eternal because every time he is killed whoever killed him or contributed to his killing is possessed by his soul".
Even before that during the Heresy and the Great Crusade his arrogance and ego were legendary it what allowed various of named characters get the better of him and beat the living hell out of him.

Also he is also a thrice traitor given what he did during the massacre on Istivaan of the loyal.
 
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The problem isn't the idea. The idea is fine. The problem is in how it's executed.
Imagine you're a space marine captain or chapter master fighting a slaaneshi warband. Your honor guard get separated from you along with your master of sanctity in the fighting but you can still hear their vox broadcasts and know their location. As you run you can hear sounds from fighting from the vox along with the sounds of screams. You finally arrive but it's too late your squad and the master of sanctity are dead to a space marine covered in scars and in garish pink. He looks at you and you bellow your challenge to him and he happily obliges.

It is no contest between his skill and yours. You are being pushed back with each strike of his quicksilver sword. And just when you are about to lose he trips. Part of you wonders if it truly was an accident but you have no time to ponder it. Lightning quick you thrust your power sword upwards destroying his twin hearts and he falls dead to the ground.

You make way towards your fallen brothers and kneel taking satisfaction that their killer is dead.

After that aboard your flagships things get strange. You wake up in cold sweats and start remembering things you've never experienced. Delightful and horrible things. You consider talking to one of the chaplains but a persistent voice in your head stops you and so despite yourself you don't.

Things get worse. You're making vox calls you don't remember making. In spars with your brothers you injure them too hard. Not hard enough to bring suspicion but hard enough to keep them in the infirmary for a while. Your hair starts to fall out ao you keep your helmet on. You steer clear of the chaplains but you're sure they're starting to get suspicious. It is time the voice speaks into your head and to your horror you find that something else is piloting your body.

You make course towards an asteroid field near where reports of that same slaaneshi warband were seen. You gather your brothers up amongst you with you being the only one in full battle gear. Then ships from the warband appear around your fleet hidden in the asteroid field and you scream in agony as your face joins a myriad of others as Lucius the Eternal is reborn once again amongst your brothers.

The delightful slaughter soon begins.

Many ships were taken from the fleet others destroyed completely and utterly. You don't dare to think about how many of your brothers died. As you scream in silent agony Lucius takes another sip of his goblet of your brothers blood.
 
Wow that was cool sad GW only way of using Lucius is getting him killed so he can use his cheat to do the same he dies in every appearance
 
Suprized Fulgrim didn't eat his soul for that
Given the fact that Lord Commander Eidolon feed his arm into a wood chipper on Isstvaan III and the fact the blade made Fulgrim highly irrational he probably thought he needed all the elites he could get and maybe the subtle corrupting whimsy of Slannesh.
 
[x] Plan: So we had one blade mastery; what about the 2nd one? But with Entrenchment
[X] Plan: Grimm's Response to a Failed Boarding Against a Primarch
 
Lucius isn't scary because you can't kill him, he's scary because you can and once you do you become him.
It's actually a personal head theory of mine that Lucius has an opposite of Sigvald condition.

Manly that he hates mirrors because they let him see all the faces of all the people that were better than him.

That he will never be able to actually beat.

So his gift is as much an ironic punishment as anything else.
 
It's actually a personal head theory of mine that Lucius has an opposite of Sigvald condition.

Manly that he hates mirrors because they let him see all the faces of all the people that were better than him.

That he will never be able to actually beat.

So his gift is as much an ironic punishment as anything else.
He can never revenge himself over those who bested him. He can never overcome those who are better than him, he can only slaughter those weaker. Classic Slaanesh catspaw, great initially but you slowly realize how shit a deal you get. Even the orgasmic feeling of death, Lucius felt is undercut by the degradation and shame of losing. He's probably gone through it so many time he's over it. Even worse, since he loses consistently, he is inarguably the weakest of the 4 Great Champions of Chaos.
 
Exactly mind you this is mostly inferred at my point but I do find the idea of Lucius secretly hating his ability more interesting than 'hahahahaha I win anyway' or just attempting to make his ability seem even more impressive/scary when it can really only activate due to something killing him.

I mean it's entire gimmick is based on the user being a failure not in any measure of success and it better fits the someone pathetic states of the other non Typhus big 4 Chaos champion.

Honestly with how absurd it is I actually think he'd prefer loosing in the novel ways both in quest chapters dealt with him to getting a reminder of yet another guy that is better than him that he can't do anything about. At least he can plot revenge after all.

One of them is litterally a factory worker on some throwaway imperial planet after all…. Heck he probably hates that incident and getting killed by a mook Necron Warrior as much as the fandom does.
 
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Makes me wonder, what would happen if someone like guillidad or celestine killed him, that respawning mechanic is not working on them


The cynical answer is that GW would never lose either of their character cash cows like that, So it would never be allowed to happen in the first place. The in universe answer is probably closer to Slannesh having a massive laugh over it, Then shoving his soul into a new body because slannesh isn't one to let a good chewtoy get away.
 
He doesn't get to stop dieing until his deaths stop being funny
And unfortunately for him, Slaanesh hasn't yet gotten bored. She/He/It will probably milk that cow until he is literally begging She/He/It to die and probably keep him alive until that gets boring.

Edit: Scratch that, Slaanesh probably did get bored until it realized that the self-loathing Lucius feels from being an Eternal Loser is just as funny as his weird Death fetish.
My headcanon is that Lucius being an envious little shit and not being as good as the other hero units is what Slaanesh liked about him since they could watch him get his teeth kicked in and not sacrifice an ACTUALLY important piece.
 
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An unrelated note, but something I had in mind for the future is a Space Wolves chapter that actually plays into the vikings' explorer history and acts as fleet-based that accompany Rogue Traders in charting lost/unknown parts of the galaxy for the adventure, loot and fights.

...Only caveat is that we're still long ways off from the Ultima Founding for their gene-seed to stablize, so this dream remains a pipe-dream.
 
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