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So I'm gonna ask the loon-weaponry question: what's to prevent a missile frigate that launches EMP Missiles? It seems like the sort of thing that might do outsized amounts of damage with comparatively-minimal effort.
The fact that it would only really be useful against non-shielded infrastructure/ships, which, uh...would likely be civilian. So...
*OminousLoomingAmericanNavy.JPG*
 
Well, ask a loon question, get an obvious answer. Thanks. Figured I'd take a shot at an off-the-wall idea, but sometimes there's a reason there's a box, and it's because stuff outside the box has been thought of and defended against.
 
Considering people have thrown the term whale sub around, and with the flippers likely adding impressive stealth capability....

How likely is it that we could fit a viable sonic weapon onto the sub? Has anyone else even come up with sonic weapon defenses yet? I'm not a big ship guy but the idea of a whale submarine yelling at other boats to break them has immense comedic value to me.
 
the only time i heard of seriously tring to military use sonic weapon was the nazi Schallkanone during ww2 and on the Seabourn Spirit ship in 2005,a few weid military project too
 
Ok, I've got a potential list of breakthroughs for the sub:
  1. MSR Test Reactor is upgraded to Gas Core PIDEC Test Reactor (compounding breakthroughs), submarine production delayed until a new reactor is designed and a production facility built. These are going to be compact and efficient and expand on the benefits of MSRs. Enough so that we could build a Stirling AIP sub now with dedicated features to easily retrofit a reactor into it later.
  2. Solid Oxide Fuel Cells: You feed it de-sulphurized hydrocarbons and it spits out electricity and heat. It's basically a straight replacement for internal combustion engines, and something we're seeing more IRL in applications where we don't want to deal with ICE noise. Could be that Guangchou stumbled by luck into a good low temperature electrolyte structure, that would certainly explain that it's a 27 point breakthrough.
  3. (Partial?) Analytical Solutions to Navier Stokes: Some people are getting Nobel prizes and our ability to model fluid flows becomes Yes. +? to all design rolls that include fluid dynamics.
  4. Computing Breakthrough: Subs depend on their ability to filter out noise to detect their counterparts, so better computing is definitely something that can come out of this. But there's no single thing you can point at here and call a breakthrough. Computing advancements are usually the result of a bunch of smaller breakthroughs coming together. My proposal here would be that it unlocks the Guangchou Semiconductor Foundry megaproject, and afterwards that's built we automatically advance to the next semiconductor manufacturing process accordingly to Mooros Law (until you hit DUV lithography, lmao), and possibly incleases our electronics bonus.
...@CyberFemme? Is that even possible?
I need viability or I'mma start guesstimating myself.

No. The practical issues of designing such a thing are an obvious issue, but what really kills them is that submarines live and die by their ability to avoid detection, and a sonic weapons is going to let every hydrophone in that hemisphere know where you are.

We could go nuclear subs probably

The key is making a nuke plant that can compete with AIP on cost. The Canadians threw around the idea of a nuclear AIP refit for their diesel subs back in the 80s (a small passive reactor that needed no maintenance or specialized knowledge to run) but they dropped it because it wouldn't be ready in time.

And the breakthroughs are specific to the ships they are put in. If your design doesn't use the XYZ-tech you want, go back to the drawing boad

Can you clarify what this means? Breakthroughs aren't shared between designs? 🤔
Like, if I use a solid Oxide Fuel Cells on the sub the surface ships cont use it? (If so, that's a bit weird from a realism standpoint, especially since all these designs would probably try to use as much stuff in common as possible to spread out development costs)
 
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ahhh man...Nuclear lasers at least seems to be a worthwhile road to travel down. only other Ideas I can think of for breakthroughs are O2 scrubbers
 
Can you clarify what this means? Breakthroughs aren't shared between designs? 🤔
If you put X into Design D due to it having Y Roll, only Design D can have that thing for now. Future designs will be able to benefit from it, but if you have an electronic thing for one design that rolled high, you can't put it in one with a low roll. But you can putt all things from lower rolls into higher rolls.

Akin to the teams exchanging info, but some running away without talking back.

You can also think of it as you putting five items into a crafting queue in an MMORPG that has quality levels, only you know the quality now, and can decide the boni to be assigned to the items. And once they are done, you can pull and plug the boni as you wish into new items.
 
HeroCooky :
1: What is the guangchou policy on access and ownership of weapons for civilians and former military / police ?
2: How badly do we have corruption problems?
3: How widespread is crime and how serious is it?
4: What is the current state of the police? (skills, numbers, brutality/abuse, equipment, etc.)?
5: Do we have a artistic,press and expression freedom ?
6: Is there a freedom of entrepreneurship, can a citizen or a group of citizens invent something,choose to quit their job and go working somewhere else,open a family (or not) restaurant, a garage or a workshop?
7: What is our currency? (can it be something with a very long name and very epic/fun/pretty/complex designs?
8: Do we have a flag ?,i think i remember something about a tiger and a catapult ?
9: Do we respect intellectual property and patents whether they are from one of our citizens or from other countries?
10: What method(s) does Guangchou use to dispose of the bodies?
Cremation, funeral log,in ground burial,burial platform,Deposited on a ship which is sent to the sea then ignited via volleys of arrows,Endocannibalisme,Feed to the animals and plants of the islands as a return to natures,burial at sea,suspended coffin,mausoleum,colombarium,thrown into the volcano,scattering of ashes,natural burial,embalming,something unique or very specific to Guangchou and some other places?
11: What is our relationship with our neighbour other than japan and china? (south korea,Taiwan and phillipines?)
12: Does the guangchou army/police have the trick of "a soldier must refuse to obey an illegal order" and a training moment dedicated to "how to identify and react to an illegal order"?
13: Which international convention and declaration has Guangchou signed? (like The Universal Declaration of Human Rights for example. (maybe we should be changed to individual rights? or human rights?))
14: on the same subject do we participate in things like the World Health Organization and other international/worldwide stuff ?
15: Is there one or more particularly emblematic species/meal/other of guangchou?
A fish,a breed of dog/cat,a bird,a feline/canine,a plant,something else or even something more unique?

as always, thank you for your time
 
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we are playing a hereditary dictatorship , most of the answers are kind of self evident
Our Mc is a convinced communist and has already modified several dictatorship things put in place by his father and Guangchou is, if I'm not mistaken, quite different from the vast majority of hereditary dictatorships thanks to the choice of voters during the quest and during the creation of the island/of the protagonist
 
Our Mc is a convinced communist and has already modified several dictatorship things put in place by his father and Guangchou is, if I'm not mistaken, quite different from the vast majority of hereditary dictatorships thanks to the choice of voters during the quest and during the creation of the island/of the protagonist
that doesn't change the fact that he is still a dictator with absolute power and a solid death grip on power and that state of affairs doesn't happen just because , the necessary means and methods of holding on to that power are very much in effect or their would be a lot of internal issues from opposition groups and push back
 
Our respect for foreign intellectual proerty lies somewhere between 'no' and a naughty giggle. :p

The flag is on the title post. Red and black ying-yang on a white background.
 
Our respect for foreign intellectual proerty lies somewhere between 'no' and a naughty giggle. :p

The flag is on the title post. Red and black ying-yang on a white background.
Is this not a problem?
I mean if we do that what prevents other countries from doing the same thing to us?

Thanks,the catapult tiger may have been the navy flag ,maybe
 
Is this not a problem?
I mean if we do that what prevents other countries from doing the same thing to us?

Thanks,the catapult tiger may have been the navy flag ,maybe

Nothing except our counterintelligence services.

I suspect that outside of national security secrets, there's also an ideological disdain for IP as practiced in the West (enclosure of the commons/rent seeking and all that).
 
nothing is going to stop other countries from doing the same thing to us anyway cause if they feel like it and can do it they will , so we may as well not even pay lip service to their IP laws
Nothing except our counterintelligence services.

I suspect that outside of national security secrets, there's also an ideological disdain for IP as practiced in the West (enclosure of the commons/rent seeking and all that).

I admit that when I spoke of intellectual property I was thinking more of little things like paying a sum to a writer to publish his books in our country ,an artist his music/paint, or small/middle inventions ,not to big national secrets, but for the big stuff of national interest you are most certainly right
 
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HeroCooky :
1: What is the guangchou policy on access and ownership of weapons for civilians and former military / police ?
2: How badly do we have corruption problems?
3: How widespread is crime and how serious is it?
4: What is the current state of the police? (skills, numbers, brutality/abuse, equipment, etc.)?
5: Do we have a artistic,press and expression freedom ?
6: Is there a freedom of entrepreneurship, can a citizen or a group of citizens invent something,choose to quit their job and go working somewhere else,open a family (or not) restaurant, a garage or a workshop?
7: What is our currency? (can it be something with a very long name and very epic/fun/pretty/complex designs?
8: Do we have a flag ?,i think i remember something about a tiger and a catapult ?
9: Do we respect intellectual property and patents whether they are from one of our citizens or from other countries?
10: What method(s) does Guangchou use to dispose of the bodies?
Cremation, funeral log,in ground burial,burial platform,Deposited on a ship which is sent to the sea then ignited via volleys of arrows,Endocannibalisme,Feed to the animals and plants of the islands as a return to natures,burial at sea,suspended coffin,mausoleum,colombarium,thrown into the volcano,scattering of ashes,natural burial,embalming,something unique or very specific to Guangchou and some other places?
11: What is our relationship with our neighbour other than japan and china? (south korea,Taiwan and phillipines?)
12: Does the guangchou army/police have the trick of "a soldier must refuse to obey an illegal order" and a training moment dedicated to "how to identify and react to an illegal order"?
13: Which international convention and declaration has Guangchou signed? (like The Universal Declaration of Human Rights for example. (maybe we should be changed to individual rights? or human rights?))
14: on the same subject do we participate in things like the World Health Organization and other international/worldwide stuff ?
15: Is there one or more particularly emblematic species/meal/other of guangchou?
A fish,a breed of dog/cat,a bird,a feline/canine,a plant,something else or even something more unique?

as always, thank you for your time
1 - Only if directly relevant to their job (like a hunter) and an absolute "No" to any bullets in their homes. They load up on the job and leave 'em when going. In contrast, melee weaponry isn't regulated at all.
2 - Reasonable amounts. Going down the more cyberized your economy is.
3 - Reasonably for a country undergoing a population explosion, though going down thanks to various efforts and growing prosperity.
4 - A year of training, low numbers, unknown amounts of brutality/power abuses, and a uniform with cap, a pistol, two magazines, a truncheon-like stick, two handcuffs for equipment.
5 - No. Those things are under vague and undefined censorship terms that vary based on the agent processing the art/newspaper/etc. And freedom of expression is dicy and depends on what you are saying. Saying Jungming is shit? No. Saying you would have done Y another way? Yes. (As long as the other way is not anti-communistic.)
6 - People are free to create and dissolve worker cooperatives as they wish.
7 - No idea. I'll make an action to take a look at your financial system to get that hashed out.
8 - The Flying Tiger is the flag of your navy, you have a black/red ying-yang symbol on a white square.
9 - Respecting IPs? From other (capitalist) countries? As your agents say: "Silence Is Consent!"
IPs from your citizens? They get a percentage based royalty from income made due to their creations, but they can't refuse someone access or use.
10 - Burial underneath a tree, freshly planted for the dead person or a family one, was the most popular for the majority of history, but burial at sea and sky burials were practiced in the west and north-east of the island, alongside (heavily disputed) instances of vulcano burials.
11 - Ambivalent, akward (you both pretend the other isn't there most of the time), and frosty. (You had a famine in 1902 and the Phillipines sent over a single lemon as an insult when asked if they could send aid.)
12 - That was implemented after WW2 and IJs Army War Crimes became known.
13 - Those that are relevant. (Give me a list and I can answer more than that.)
14 - Yes, to varying degrees.
15 - Probably, but I never thought about that. Large kiwis/small ostriches? An extinct six-legged proto tiger? Beeg chiken. The most extra moth you have ever seen. A diving dog. Think something (reasonable) up, put it in an omake, and I'll likely canonize the critter.
 
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