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Well, shits about to hit fan at a high velcoity, lets just hope the gamer moves are reversible
That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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HeroCooky
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Given the coming title, I'm half-expecting some TTS! Man-Emperor commentary.
Barondoctor
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Well, this is the part where we were advised Something was going to HAPPEN because in OTL the 1980s are kinda lacking in opportunities in southeast Asia.
The question is whether we're looking to make history or become history.
The question is whether we're looking to make history or become history.
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And now for something completely different.
How adventurous do we wanna be with our launch vehicle?
[ ] Conservative: Turn a Zenit booster into a Neutron-alike, with ballistic splashdown recovery (Super Falcon 9).
[ ] Modest: Create a fly-back version of the Neutron-alike Zenit booster (Super Baikal).
[ ] Daring: Unfuck Buran-Energia and turn it into a variant of Starship/Superheavy, but with a hydrolox version of Starship (Simplified Uragan).
[ ] Risque: As above, but rationalize propellants to eutectic hydrazine / lox on a bastard child of a RD-207 and R-119 engine.
[ ] Downright Lewd: OH MY GOD ITS PHIL BONNO WITH ASTEEL CHAIR AEROSPIKE TSTO!
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But they were, all of them, deceived, for another Rocket was made. In the land of Guangchou, in the fires of Mount Mingxiang, the Chief Designer Wei forged in secret a master Rocket, to surpass all others. And into this Rocket they poured their foreknowledge, their aerodynamicists and their will to dominate all turbomachinery. One Rocket to rule them all. (Hydrolox staged combustion turborocket SSTO).
How adventurous do we wanna be with our launch vehicle?
[ ] Conservative: Turn a Zenit booster into a Neutron-alike, with ballistic splashdown recovery (Super Falcon 9).
[ ] Modest: Create a fly-back version of the Neutron-alike Zenit booster (Super Baikal).
[ ] Daring: Unfuck Buran-Energia and turn it into a variant of Starship/Superheavy, but with a hydrolox version of Starship (Simplified Uragan).
[ ] Risque: As above, but rationalize propellants to eutectic hydrazine / lox on a bastard child of a RD-207 and R-119 engine.
[ ] Downright Lewd: OH MY GOD ITS PHIL BONNO WITH A
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But they were, all of them, deceived, for another Rocket was made. In the land of Guangchou, in the fires of Mount Mingxiang, the Chief Designer Wei forged in secret a master Rocket, to surpass all others. And into this Rocket they poured their foreknowledge, their aerodynamicists and their will to dominate all turbomachinery. One Rocket to rule them all. (Hydrolox staged combustion turborocket SSTO).
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plotvitalnpc
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Hey, there's one definite benefit to the Orion Drive Lift Vehicle: literally nobody will accuse you of trying to build an ICBM when step 1 of your plan is to nuke yourself, repeatedly and in all possible ways, until the rocket goes to space.
If you want to go deeper down the rocketry rabbit hole, apparently the US was doing research on Rotating Detonation Engines as far back as the the '50s, so that's a possibility if we want to go even crazier.
On a more serious note, I think that Falcon 9-style ballistic return trajectories are likely going to be better than Baikal booster-style flyback return, less dead weight without the folding wing mechanisms and the like. But I can't help but feel like a rocket booster deploying wings and turning into a plane is a fucking awesome image, and until we get our own satellite network up (or GLONASS if the USSR lets us use it) and have to rely on solely INS the slower landing provided by wing and the ability to remotely pilot it in like a drone may result is more surviving boosters than having it plunge straight down and hoping that the rocket and the landing target are where the rocket thinks they are.
I know that the Orion is the one most commonly brought up in terms of nuclear drives, but I can't help semi-seriously wondering if we might shake the nuclear fear bug enough to use Nuclear Salt Water Rockets as an (interplanetary only for obvious reasons) drive.
I mean its got the holy trinity of: engine, % C, and "Nothing about it fundamentally breaks the laws of physics." We don't even have to put fully assembled nuclear bombs in orbit like we would have to with the Orion!
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If you want to go deeper down the rocketry rabbit hole, apparently the US was doing research on Rotating Detonation Engines as far back as the the '50s, so that's a possibility if we want to go even crazier.
On a more serious note, I think that Falcon 9-style ballistic return trajectories are likely going to be better than Baikal booster-style flyback return, less dead weight without the folding wing mechanisms and the like. But I can't help but feel like a rocket booster deploying wings and turning into a plane is a fucking awesome image, and until we get our own satellite network up (or GLONASS if the USSR lets us use it) and have to rely on solely INS the slower landing provided by wing and the ability to remotely pilot it in like a drone may result is more surviving boosters than having it plunge straight down and hoping that the rocket and the landing target are where the rocket thinks they are.
I know that the Orion is the one most commonly brought up in terms of nuclear drives, but I can't help semi-seriously wondering if we might shake the nuclear fear bug enough to use Nuclear Salt Water Rockets as an (interplanetary only for obvious reasons) drive.
I mean its got the holy trinity of: engine, % C, and "Nothing about it fundamentally breaks the laws of physics." We don't even have to put fully assembled nuclear bombs in orbit like we would have to with the Orion!
Please ignore the fact that the entire rocket is a constantly exploding nuke once it's lit off.
RDEs are godlike and a 30 point breakthrough easily because they flat our surpass all combustors - they go in rockets, planes, ships, power plants. It's a step change in how we use hydrocarbons. Even turborockets are only like a 24 point breakthrough by comparison.
When I talk about a ballistic trajectory for our Super Falon, I mean straight up letting it splash down, sealing it against seawater intrusion, and using a sacrificial anode to protect the stainless steel hull from corrosion. No barge landing for us without much better GPS then we have available.
The real benefit of Baikal style flyback is launch cadence because we don't have to do the song and dance of splashdown recovery. The weight of the wings ends up being about what the fuel for retropropulsion would be, so it doesn't hurt payload fraction. It's just harder to engineer because the loading is more complex.
NSWR are even more of a meme than Orion and have way less math behind them. Beamriders are the real workhorse IMO. We could do same real flat trajectories with those.
Well if RDEs are that godlike, but they've still been poked at for 10-15 years at this point, maybe that's a good candidate for a -4 malus reduction.RDEs are godlike and a 30 point breakthrough easily because they flat our surpass all combustors - they go in rockets, planes, ships, power plants. It's a step change in how we use hydrocarbons. Even turborockets are only like a 24 point breakthrough by comparison.
When I talk about a ballistic trajectory for our Super Falon, I mean straight up letting it splash down, sealing it against seawater intrusion, and using a sacrificial anode to protect the stainless steel hull from corrosion. No barge landing for us without much better GPS then we have available.
The real benefit of Baikal style flyback is launch cadence because we don't have to do the song and dance of splashdown recovery. The weight of the wings ends up being about what the fuel for retropropulsion would be, so it doesn't hurt payload fraction. It's just harder to engineer because the loading is more complex.
NSWR are even more of a meme than Orion and have way less math behind them. Beamriders are the real workhorse IMO. We could do same real flat trajectories with those.
Now that I think about it, there's nothing stopping us from using RDEs with aerospike nozzles is there? Oxyrich hydrolox aerospike RDE SSTO when?
And yeah that should make ballistic trajectories much more feasible. It would bring our landing requirements down from "This exact location and you'd better not miss otherwise you're going to crash" to "anywhere close enough to Guangchou that's deep enough and not part of our underwater farms." I think we might have to have some kind of seawater intrusion though, possibly in a lower fuel tank specifically designed for such dual use. That way it can act as ballast and pull the bottom of the rocket down so it floats upright, sort of like a reverse Sea Dragon launch, rather than having it risk falling sideways and smashing against the surface of the ocean.
Sure NSWR are a mega meme, but this is also the timeline where we stole Nazi mecha and made Uncle Sam pay for the privileged of being power bottomed. And NSWR have the advantage of being based on technology that we already understand, as long as you can get over the whole "constant nuclear detonation" deal, and won't need the kind of earth or orbit based infrastructure and directed energy research needed to have spacecraft ride a laser over interplanetary distances. I mean, if we're planning on building MSR you can't say we don't understand nuclear physics. I suppose we could always settle for just a NTR if we can't live our full meme dreams though.
plotvitalnpc
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A nation ruled by such a happily married twink is forbidden from using anything with the initials NTR.
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Well if RDEs are that godlike, but they've still been poked at for 10-15 years at this point, maybe that's a good candidate for a -4 malus reduction.
Now that I think about it, there's nothing stopping us from using RDEs with aerospike nozzles is there? Oxyrich hydrolox aerospike RDE SSTO when?
And yeah that should make ballistic trajectories much more feasible. It would bring our landing requirements down from "This exact location and you'd better not miss otherwise you're going to crash" to "anywhere close enough to Guangchou that's deep enough and not part of our underwater farms." I think we might have to have some kind of seawater intrusion though, possibly in a lower fuel tank specifically designed for such dual use. That way it can act as ballast and pull the bottom of the rocket down so it floats upright, sort of like a reverse Sea Dragon launch, rather than having it risk falling sideways and smashing against the surface of the ocean.
Sure NSWR are a mega meme, but this is also the timeline where we stole Nazi mecha and made Uncle Sam pay for the privileged of being power bottomed. And NSWR have the advantage of being based on technology that we already understand, as long as you can get over the whole "constant nuclear detonation" deal, and won't need the kind of earth or orbit based infrastructure and directed energy research needed to have spacecraft ride a laser over interplanetary distances. I mean, if we're planning on building MSR you can't say we don't understand nuclear physics. I suppose we could always settle for just a NTR if we can't live our full meme dreams though.
Oxyrich hydrolox is such a meme combo, lol. But yes, RDEs can be paired with aerospikes - tho honestly not much point. Just add a extendible nozzle for vacuum work. This goes for all aerospike btw. They're only really good for hydralox SSTO because those operate in a range of external pressures an have shit chamber pressure.
Something like a plug or deflection expansion nozzle is just as practical if you have high chamber pressure rockets. The biggest advantage of these toroidal nozzles is that they're flatter and thus reduce the structural mass of the skirt, as well as creating a big open area at the bottom of the rocket so you can put a heat shield there.
I think I'd rather have the booster perform a controlled sideways tip into the water actually - we can use the remaining RCS to manage this process so it doesn't damage itself. I really don't want saltwater intrusion.
I suspect a NSWR is as simple in theory, difficult in practice as an RDE.
However we would never settle for a mere NTR. No we'd go for a Nuclear Thermo-Electric Tether Rocket.
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I hate that I know what this means and I hate that I know you are entirely correct.
What's the pet situation like in Guangchou? The actual "non-literate creatures adopted into personal social groups" sort of pets, before anybody gets any ideas.
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Cybersmith?
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Well, I imagine there are a few hundred to a few thousand pets, but calling them "creatures" without getting the okay from them is just plain mean!
But if you mean animal pets, then the standard applies: cats, dogs, goats, monkeys, house pigs, tortoises, with some people having turtles, bovines, and (for one family) a sanctuary of tigers.
You have a similar festival to appreciate dogs as the Nepal one, but with the twist of the doggies being good sources of comfort, warmth, companionship, and meat, instead of being messengers of a god of death.
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