Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
- Thread starter Leon12431
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Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
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- Scientifically proving a miracle
448, I think, not 485. Unless I messed up my math somewhere. Not that it changes much.
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- USA
Resources provide a bonus to that action. Regardless it doesnt really matter anymore.
Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
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- Scientifically proving a miracle
You could take a bit of the "critical success" from another project to buff this one.
Rolls... Strange Schematics.
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- Warsaw
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- USA
I dont see it, what post is it.
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- Warsaw
- Location
- USA
Yes, because I added Kirbstomp's roll to it.
@Kirbstomp what is the Ad Mech tech roll for? Got it, just roll a 1d100 with DC 65 for the extra action.
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We rolled well with only a few actions locking in:
Rebuilding the Schools
DC: 500
Result: 243
Rollover: 257
A good roll gets us this next turn
Improve the Arbites
Urma 1st action
DC: 50
Result: 34+14 = 48 (This is just sad)
I agree this is sad but they are ready to deal with cultists in time for the invasion.
Tarakan Doctors
(Result: Will have a notable impact to the medical skill of Shogi, will see at least one birth per turn until 8, will prioritize the mission over quality of life, brutally honest doctors.)
Urma 2nd action
Result: 50
Rollover: 50
halve way there and with her hearth she will complete this next turn unless she rolls low again
Factory Investigation
(Effect: gain a good understanding of Shogi production facilities and unlock actions to improve them directly.)
DC: 250
Roll: 1d100+11 (I am honestly confused about this choice since it means that you basically lose Balkavus for ~4 turns, unless you throw Atraxas on this next turn or something)
Result: 88/250
Rollover: 162
We ordered him a hearth so I expect this to complete in 2 turns.
Nanoplague
(Result: Unlocks Nanotechnology as a field for the Exatari to pursue in general, gives Atraxas a foundational understanding of the field, enables the Production of Nanoswarms that can undertake stewardship actions at a cheaper rate when assigned under an Advisor.)
DC: 1000
Result: 538
Rollover: 462
It would have taken a lot of luck to complete this in a single turn but its off to a good start with over half done.
Study the Alloys
(Result: Enable production of Very Low Grade DAoT alloys in amounts useful on planetary scale. +1 VLG DAoT Alloys per turn)
DC: 1000
Result: 683
Rollover: 317
A good start and 317 should complete the next turn
Warp Sphere
(Result: notable improvement option for all warp systems for ships built post completion, will increase costs but have bonuses for extra costs, Atraxas will learn the basics of warp science and how warp systems work, this system is able to produce Invoked Laws for Atraxas)
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 573
Rollover: 27
Almost done the next roll will go hundreds over the DC
Grav Sphere
(Result: notable improvement to Atraxas understanding of gravity and how to manipulate it, notable improvement to all Exatari grav technologies, can unlock the Gravity Meta Library eventually)
DC: 600
Roll: 12d100+95+8
Secondary Gains: 2d10 Ad Mech Favor and DC65 for extra Gravus actions
Result: 685, 9 Favor, gained an Extra Gravus action
Nine more favor will come in very handy in upgrading our private army just before the invasion(delayed till then so we only have to start paying upkeep then)
With both the Singularity Chamber (Learning) and the hearth forge done we can start making even more xenos tech to upgrade our world looking forward to the new actions that completing both unlocks.
Ruin completing this turn is a nice surprise was expecting that to take two turns.
Life will provide several extra actions the final time we can take wounds before the invasion.
With both the SDF and PDF upgraded we completed all Martial actions we can afford,
6 actions locked 3 of them by advisors still leaves us one action per category and 3 personal for the next turn more then i was expecting
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
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- United States
You voted for this plan though, why is this a surprise?
That was Leon12431 opinion, i think it will take two turns as he will get one of the calc hearths we ordered.
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
Ah, my bad, I didn't read back through the first post
Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
- Location
- Scientifically proving a miracle
Actions complete from my must-have list:
Edit: For my own notes: Sincratus' Treatise On Warp Biology would be a good prereq to Repair the Neural Trainer. I'd say Repair the Neural Trainer could be anywhere from a DC1000 action to a DC10000 action - so anything from "put in 2 Actions and it's done" to "um... where are we going to get 20 Atraxas Actions!?!"
Also, to keep the actions that Atraxas thinks will best assist the defence in mind:
Note also a later statement: "the Crucible is the upgrade of the Forge of War. The Forge of War will help, but the Crucible would render the local forces basically unmatchable without extreme number ratios." Note that Forge requires 2.5k Resources and Crucible 10k Resources.
As a further note: Radiant Nexus (1k Mechanicus Favor + 5k Dark Age Alloys + DC 10k) and System Overhaul (DC 14k) are blatantly out of reach. SDF Major is done. Ruin +Inversion is ongoing. Crucible of War is either barely feasible or barely unfeasible - if unfeasible, take Forge of War instead. Planetary Acquisition is feasible, and might be something we can bulk-process between Calc Hearts and Planetary Barges, assuming we're willing/allowed/able to go into debt?
Edit: I stand corrected; Planets aren't that useful in the state we'll have them in time for the invasion: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Preparation for Invasion notes: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 74 and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest p75
Summarized quote:
Edit: later clarification specified that Planets require some additional development, and are more of an anti-chaff defense than anti-elite. Also, a Planetary Meta Shield is likely worthwhile depending on Resource/Alloy/Favor constraints.
Exatari Favor bonuses: Study Warp Navigation (major!), Grav Sphere, Strange Schematics (short-term for the sensor boost; long-term for better Meta Libraries; apparently this unlocked Veil Physics which starts out at +10% to everything Exatari and just grows from there), Library-Order, Warp Sphere, possibly Primordial Arrays, possibly Economic Studies,possibly Library Actualization, certainly Nanoplague (when done), possibly Study the Alloys (when done).
I bet those first five give us a lot of Favor.I wouldn't be surprised if we turn a profit this turn, despite the Calculation Hearts ordered. I would be surprised if we haven't made over 350 base, minus 50 for Calc Hearts, equals 300+ profit.
@sunrise, that was a great idea. (Assuming we don't critfail here or something.) It lets us do research instead of building Calculation Hearts, but get the Calculation Hearts as a mostly-free side-effect.
Edit: I bet Study the Alloys and Artificial Particle Theorems will both grant Mechanicus Favor...
Further edit: Mechanicus Favor confirmed:
@Leon12431, if we asked Gravus to spend all 3 Actions on the Gravity Theorems, loaned him a Calculation Heart for the turn, and put one of our own actions in as well, what would the rolls be for getting refunds on those Actions?
It looks like Gravus has 2d100+50 natively on a Gravity Action, so we'd be making 10d100+53 Atraxas +9d100+50 Gravus progress, which averages out to 1062.5 progress. At that rate, it would take us an average of 5 turns to complete the 5000-point action.
Edit: No, it turns out that Gravus gets +2d100 per Calculation Heart on a Gravity Research action, and can have 2 of them. Wow!
So, if he's willing to burn 3 Favors in exchange for doing half of the DAoT Gravity Action - this would be a terrible option pre-invasion, but a potentially-great one after.
Edit: @Leon12431, does loaning a Tech-Priest a Calc-Heart have unlisted potential side-effects like "they take it apart and proclaim it xenotech"?
Edited in for future reference: Post-invasion, get ourselves as many Actions from Gravus as possible, then lend him 2 Calculation Hearts. As long as we're willing to commit an Atraxas Action until it's finished, Study the Theorems should take around 4 turns (assuming Gravus owes us 3 Actions). And completion should, I believe, give us significant Imperial Favor, Ad Mech Favor, and Exatari Favor, plus a major bonus to Planetary Barges.
Further edit: If we get him to quadruple-down (4 Actions), we would get 10d+53 (Atraxas) + 4*6d +50 (Gravus) = 34d +103 = 1820 average progress per turn, for a solid 3-turn completion. We could have this done before the Invasion.
Edit: Also for future reference: There are lots of Mechanicus Archmagi we could potentially work with on collaboration projects. Use the Calculation Heart trick! Only the Computer experts are really potentially-problematic, and even there we might be able to find a workaround...
Edit: Link to Calc Heart and Dice/Success/Stat notes: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 68
Edit: Short list of Megaproject prereqs: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 55 and longer list: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 66
Edit: Notes on the strengths and limitations of Exatari tech: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 75
Edit: Song "Radiant Flux"; interestingly relevant name
Edit: How Much Mass is a Unit of Material: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 25
Edit: Chaos' reaction to us flying towards Terra: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Exatari hardcoding, and Necron Crypteks: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Harkar's Augments: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Humanity's Aspects: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: System Overhaul, see page starting at: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Ministry of Construction prereqs, or: How to finish System Overhaul in <10 turns: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and next few
Edit: This is in the middle of a discussion on how to help stabilize the sector: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Confirmation that Forge/Crucible of War require 1+ Atraxas Action to progress but can have help from Army Units and Harkar: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Stewardship and Learning both apply to Merge Styles, but you can only use Personal Actions: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Our ideal invasion prep; actually more-or-less sufficient: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: My Exatari Homeworld Research Calcs, wherein I conclude the Homeworld got ~5x bonus from Calc Hearts: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Discord Quotes galore: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: My Calc-Heart Mass-Production calcs: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and wow-are-they-cheap Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Note that handing Balkavus a Calculation Heart is just asking him to disassemble it just to spite us.
Loose plan:
A refinement on the post-invasion actions, assuming we start with 300 Calc Hearts:
- Grav Sphere
- Economic Studies - with massive overflow at that
- Improve the SDF (Major) - with massive overflow at that
- Library Actualization: Ruin
- Library Actualization: Life
- Strange Schematics
- 95% chance: multiple Calculation Hearts
- The autocomplete black-hole installation
- Study Warp Navigation
- Edit: Warp Sphere - completed by synergy with Grav Sphere
- Nanoplague
- Study the Alloys
Warp Sphere- completed by synergy with Grav Sphere
- Factory Investigation
- Minor interesting items: Artificial Particle Theorems (generate DAoT Alloys), Study Naval Armor Design, and Study Imperial Engine Design.
- I feel like Study the Warp Drive and Sincratus' Treatise On Warp Biology might be good to add to this list in the future.
- Particularly the first. I'm disappointed that I didn't include it initially...
- I feel like Study the Warp Drive and Sincratus' Treatise On Warp Biology might be good to add to this list in the future.
- Archmagos Luraia Teral, for the prototype tachyon computer.
- Edit: buy 50 or 100 or 200 Calculation Hearts for ~220 or ~380 or ~700 Favor (see also comparable costs for Resources or Alloys; see also Discord "Ingots and Laws are fairly cheap - 100 units per 50 Favor"; we're basically buying 1 Calc-Heart's worth of Alloys and getting the Assembly free) (consider 300 if we have enough Favor), in order to brute-force Planetary Acquisition and Stewardship actions, particularly:
- Planetary Acquisition itself. 1 full automatic success per 100 Calculation Hearts committed (+1 for the 1d100).
- Foundational Medical Care, Planetary Terraforming, System Orbital Alignment, and the Turn-Skip DC on Matryoshka Project are all fairly quick-and-easy with this, and slow without.
System Overhaul in the long term, at 28 hCHTs, takes 14 turns with 200 Calc Hearts, but only 5 with 600, and 4 with 700.- Sort-of true. System Overhaul will take an insanely long time by Calc-Heart Brute-Force, and will need a Ministry of Construction to complete in any decent timetable. However, the Ministry of Construction is assumed to perform better if loaned some Calc-Hearts...
- NOT Terraforming. It's only DC 100, so only 20 Calc-Hearts - but we don't want to spam it since it's expensive and Suspicion=25.
- Maybe something to console our poor Piety advisor (after choosing the other Education path).
- Mass Production should maybe be on there just for Exatari Calculation Heart spamming.
- Library: Information - wasn't really on my must-have list, but might ought to have been? Anyway, we can now spend 2 Actions to get this 1 turn early, whereas taking it this turn would have made that 2 turns early. The only reason I think it might possibly still be worthwhile, is because taking it would grant its bonuses to the super-mega-action-turn...
Edit: For my own notes: Sincratus' Treatise On Warp Biology would be a good prereq to Repair the Neural Trainer. I'd say Repair the Neural Trainer could be anywhere from a DC1000 action to a DC10000 action - so anything from "put in 2 Actions and it's done" to "um... where are we going to get 20 Atraxas Actions!?!"
Also, to keep the actions that Atraxas thinks will best assist the defence in mind:
We've completed SDF Major and Actualization of Ruin. We can now begin spamming Inversion Arrays.
Note also a later statement: "the Crucible is the upgrade of the Forge of War. The Forge of War will help, but the Crucible would render the local forces basically unmatchable without extreme number ratios." Note that Forge requires 2.5k Resources and Crucible 10k Resources.
As a further note: Radiant Nexus (1k Mechanicus Favor + 5k Dark Age Alloys + DC 10k) and System Overhaul (DC 14k) are blatantly out of reach. SDF Major is done. Ruin +Inversion is ongoing. Crucible of War is either barely feasible or barely unfeasible - if unfeasible, take Forge of War instead. Planetary Acquisition is feasible, and might be something we can bulk-process between Calc Hearts and Planetary Barges, assuming we're willing/allowed/able to go into debt?
Edit: I stand corrected; Planets aren't that useful in the state we'll have them in time for the invasion: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Preparation for Invasion notes: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 74 and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest p75
Summarized quote:
From which I conclude that we definitely want Forge-or-Crucible, should grab Planets as we can, and should buy plenty of Inversion Arrays since they have great effect for their trivial cost.
Edit: later clarification specified that Planets require some additional development, and are more of an anti-chaff defense than anti-elite. Also, a Planetary Meta Shield is likely worthwhile depending on Resource/Alloy/Favor constraints.
Exatari Favor bonuses: Study Warp Navigation (major!), Grav Sphere, Strange Schematics (short-term for the sensor boost; long-term for better Meta Libraries; apparently this unlocked Veil Physics which starts out at +10% to everything Exatari and just grows from there), Library-Order, Warp Sphere, possibly Primordial Arrays, possibly Economic Studies,
I bet those first five give us a lot of Favor.
@sunrise, that was a great idea. (Assuming we don't critfail here or something.) It lets us do research instead of building Calculation Hearts, but get the Calculation Hearts as a mostly-free side-effect.
Edit: I bet Study the Alloys and Artificial Particle Theorems will both grant Mechanicus Favor...
Further edit: Mechanicus Favor confirmed:
@Leon12431, if we asked Gravus to spend all 3 Actions on the Gravity Theorems, loaned him a Calculation Heart for the turn, and put one of our own actions in as well, what would the rolls be for getting refunds on those Actions?
It looks like Gravus has 2d100+50 natively on a Gravity Action, so we'd be making 10d100+53 Atraxas +9d100+50 Gravus progress, which averages out to 1062.5 progress. At that rate, it would take us an average of 5 turns to complete the 5000-point action.
Edit: No, it turns out that Gravus gets +2d100 per Calculation Heart on a Gravity Research action, and can have 2 of them. Wow!
So, if he's willing to burn 3 Favors in exchange for doing half of the DAoT Gravity Action - this would be a terrible option pre-invasion, but a potentially-great one after.
Edit: @Leon12431, does loaning a Tech-Priest a Calc-Heart have unlisted potential side-effects like "they take it apart and proclaim it xenotech"?
Edited in for future reference: Post-invasion, get ourselves as many Actions from Gravus as possible, then lend him 2 Calculation Hearts. As long as we're willing to commit an Atraxas Action until it's finished, Study the Theorems should take around 4 turns (assuming Gravus owes us 3 Actions). And completion should, I believe, give us significant Imperial Favor, Ad Mech Favor, and Exatari Favor, plus a major bonus to Planetary Barges.
Further edit: If we get him to quadruple-down (4 Actions), we would get 10d+53 (Atraxas) + 4*6d +50 (Gravus) = 34d +103 = 1820 average progress per turn, for a solid 3-turn completion. We could have this done before the Invasion.
Edit: Also for future reference: There are lots of Mechanicus Archmagi we could potentially work with on collaboration projects. Use the Calculation Heart trick! Only the Computer experts are really potentially-problematic, and even there we might be able to find a workaround...
Edit: Link to Calc Heart and Dice/Success/Stat notes: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 68
Edit: Short list of Megaproject prereqs: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 55 and longer list: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 66
Edit: Notes on the strengths and limitations of Exatari tech: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 75
Edit: Song "Radiant Flux"; interestingly relevant name
Edit: How Much Mass is a Unit of Material: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest, page 25
Edit: Chaos' reaction to us flying towards Terra: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Exatari hardcoding, and Necron Crypteks: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Harkar's Augments: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Humanity's Aspects: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: System Overhaul, see page starting at: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Ministry of Construction prereqs, or: How to finish System Overhaul in <10 turns: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and next few
Edit: This is in the middle of a discussion on how to help stabilize the sector: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Confirmation that Forge/Crucible of War require 1+ Atraxas Action to progress but can have help from Army Units and Harkar: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Stewardship and Learning both apply to Merge Styles, but you can only use Personal Actions: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Our ideal invasion prep; actually more-or-less sufficient: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: My Exatari Homeworld Research Calcs, wherein I conclude the Homeworld got ~5x bonus from Calc Hearts: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: Discord Quotes galore: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
Edit: My Calc-Heart Mass-Production calcs: Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and wow-are-they-cheap Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
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Note that handing Balkavus a Calculation Heart is just asking him to disassemble it just to spite us.
Loose plan:
- Buy a stack of Calculation Hearts: Turn 8
- Prep for the Invasion, and pick off easy or very-rapid-self-repaying items: Turns 8-10
- Invasion: Turn 11
- Invasion Recovery: Turn 12
- Gravity 3-turn (Atraxus 1 plus Gravus quadruple-down +2 Calc Hearts): Turns 12-14
- Build 3(?) Planetary Barges (or the bigger version?), and put serious effort into Planetary Acquisition until complete: Turns 13-? (max 13+14=27)
- Prep for Streamline the Code of Law, then actually do Streamline the Code of Law: Turns 15 and 16-17
- Streamline: 2 Urma Actions for 4d+change progress, burn 3 Atraxas Wounds -> +6 Actions -> 24d+50, total ~1475ish. This should get us far enough to have very low suspicion-costs the next turn, and still leave all of Atraxas' normal Actions (plus the other advisors) to spam Suspicion-Reduction.
- Various Megaproject prereqs (Planetary Acquisition should be generating 10k+ Resources/turn): Turns 17+
- Divinity, DC 2500, requires 4 Personal Actions in 1 turn. Take when you have the Actions.
- This also likely unlocks Heal the Void Forest.
- Might not be necessary: current projections indicate the Homeworld will finish it on Turn 14 so we'll get it on Turn 15 anyway...
- Foundational Medical Care, DC 2100, Atraxas 1x plus 2-turn Calculation-Heart brute-force. Might be able to be taken sooner.
- Reformation of the shadows, DC 2000, Atraxas 3x and Nalka 8d+64, roughly 4-5 turns.
- Wait - Atraxas will have double Bonus, and 4d/Action, and Nalka will have 2d/Action. So we're getting 100-odd per turn in bonuses, +100/Nalka, and +200/Atraxus. If we tried to 2-turn it, that's 2000 -2*(100odd) = 1800; Nalka has 1 Action per Turn free and (if post Streamline) Atraxas has 2 Actions per turn free, so 1800 -2*(100+2*200) = 800. So we need only 4 Atraxas Actions over 2 turns - and we could maybe even dip into Wounds for that.
- System Overhaul, 15225 Resources and DC 14000, requires 28 hCHT aka 2800 Calc-Heart-Turns.
- Assume we can throw in a few hundred to finish if needed, and accounting for the +1d100/turn... Calculation Hearts to turns: 100->26, 200->13, 300->9, 400->7, 500->5-6, 600->4-5, 700->4, 800->3-4, 900->3.
- Sadly this Action gets more expensive the more Planets we get - I think we'll have to accept (at least some of) the hit for the Planetary Acq Resource-generation.
- Edit: Rules clarifications! This is effectively:
- System Overhaul one planet: 750 Resources, +50 Upkeep, 700 DC, repeatable (done 0/832 times; cannot exceed current planet-count).
Each use gives +0.05 to the Extraction and Production systemwide bonuses.
Endgame buffs: At 25%, 50%, 75%, and 100% of all possible Planets Overhauled, you gain: Infrastructure cost reduction, Megaproject cost reduction, Education improvement, and Health improvement.
- System Overhaul one planet: 750 Resources, +50 Upkeep, 700 DC, repeatable (done 0/832 times; cannot exceed current planet-count).
- Barring new 'tech transforming everything (Nanoswarms?), this is basically just going to take 50+ turns in the best case, so we shouldn't plan on getting much of anything out of the Education/Health Improvements ever. (What a waste...)
- If we've maxed Planetary Acquisition, we'll have roughly 100x832=83.2k Extraction and Production. +5%=+4160 Resources. Very quick Resources return-on-investment, despite the staggering DC.
TL;DR: Ignore the Endgame buffs until the Endgame. Focus on the juicy profit!- Nope; still feasible. Requires a Ministry of Construction or similar, though; see Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest and next few. Essentially, Streamline The Code Of Law OR diplomacy with the Administratum is a prereq. See calcs here.
- Also look into creating a Ministry of Diplomacy - very difficult, but very rewarding.
- Divinity, DC 2500, requires 4 Personal Actions in 1 turn. Take when you have the Actions.
- Other great picks
- Planetary Terraforming - 10k Resources - can start spamming from Turn ~17 onwards yay! Might use once very shortly post-battle. Edit: Wait this costs 25 Suspicion ouch.
- Living World (Faith) - DC 10000*0.75=7500 - This one might take a while... Let's wait for Divinity.
- System Orbital Alignment - DC 2000 - Much cheaper if Planetary Acquisition is near-done. Worth starting before that finishes, at ~500 planets. Full-army plus Atraxus and Advisors is ~900 progress; if we have nothing for them to do, great, but otherwise Calc-Heart brute-force it (4 hCHT aka 400 Calc-Heart-Turns).
- Note that this plus all-planets grants -65% cost to Matryoshka (Stages 5+? All stages?).
- Edit: Renovate Infrastructure was lost from the recent turn, but is a valid action and probably a Megaproject prereq. Its final stage requires 120k Resources and DC 3000 - the Resource requirement sounds like we'll need Max-Planets and maybe after-or-partway-through System Overhaul (if SysOverh is quickly feasible).
- Buy weird stuff to reverse-engineer, with Wealth.
- Exponential Research
- Next stage: get the 3E Calc-Heart from a Megafavor. Should be Done sometime in Turn 10.
- Stage after:
- Requires: (Requires projects we're doing this turn anyway) 10k Veil Materials project (+2-3 turns of Homeworld Research after all LMs are awakened)
- Requires: 100k Veil Harvester overflow (best started in a few turns w/ boosted Veil Physics)
- Requires: Auramite and Blackstone acquisition and production and integration
- Result: unlimited 3E gear! All things considered, I figure the Homeworld will have that as standard by Turns 20-25. I'm guessing that's another x3 Research booster.
- Styles: See the Styles post. Try to also contact a number of minor Alien species; there are ~200 of them floating around that could be contacted for extra Styles. Try to balance Imperial and Alien Style counts to minimize Suspicion gains.
- Megaproject: Turn ~25?
- By this point we'll have ~60k Resources/turn from Planetary Acquisition +Alignment, plus who knows what else.
- We can easily beat the Resource cost, and the Turn Skip DC is mostly just a matter of dedicating 400 Calculation Hearts to the project.
- In theory, we should be able to spend 2.5 turns on this, then launch immediately into the next stage.
- Megaproject 2+
- Resources per Turn, Turns per Stage, and Turn Skip DC are all expected to scale geometrically, with an extra notable jump between stages 4 and 5.
- Stage 2 isn't terrible - we should have the Resources and Calc-Hearts (800) to easily 5-turn it.
- Stage 3 will likely require us setting up shop for mass-production of Calc-Hearts (or equivalent), to get done in a reasonable time-period, as it should have a basic turn-count of 20 and requires 1600 Calc-Hearts to double speed. We're also looking at baseline 40k Resources/turn.
- Stage 4 is getting frightening - but I'm not even seriously analyzing it until we've gotten close, since that's so many turns away we're likely already pretty well-set by this point.
- Far future:
- While it's incredibly difficult to truly ally with Emps / The Tyrant, it isn't actually impossible. And they're really good at anti-Chaos. Some notable options:
- Bring Roboute Guilliman back into action, several centuries early.
- We need to either be able to survive his attempt to kill us OR be far away from his awakening. "Ship an artifact to him, that will cure him" has only 2 current problems: first, we don't have such an artifact (though we haven't seriously attempted to make one); and, second, we don't have enough recognition that it would be trusted and used.
- A bunch of minor stuff: reinforce our local Sector, build our own Astronomican, uptech the whole Imperium, etc.
- Humanity's Oversoul was overstretched by the creation of the Primarchs, and is dying (current projected death: roughly the start of M42). The Great Rift could cure this, as a side-effect. An Old One could fix it easily. Various "funnel power into it" strategies could delay its death considerably. I'd strongly recommend going for a delay, while building everything we can to afford the staggering cost of e.g. Opening the Great Rift.
- Teach Emps the Divinity and Order Meta Libraries and how to use them well. This will permit the Imperium to summon Emps / The Tyrant at full power, pretty much wherever they want, pretty much at will. (Limitation: reduced effect at Cadia.) Downside: Chaos starts forcibly manifesting Exalted in our vicinity for a few months (weakened but fully capable of anti-Sector level stuff). This is irrelevant if we have the Megastructure more-or-less completed.
- Fix the Golden Throne and revive Emps. Chaos will throw obscene amounts of power at preventing this. A very clever trick might increase the amount it costs them, but due to their atemporal nature, the power-drain hardly even matters. Future analyses might allow us to bypass some of this. This is probably gated behind either "ensure Chaos will long-term lose" or "Effective Time tech to TL16-24" as well as "wait until at least Turn 100 AND teach Emps Divinity, so he'll sort-of trust us."
- Bring Roboute Guilliman back into action, several centuries early.
- Cegorach might be easier to work with, depending.
- "Basically, Divine Revenant is to Eldar what Divine Order is for humanity - it would bolster their infinity circuits and wraith tech while coincidentally letting Cegorach tell them stuff they forgot during the Fall."
- If we gave him 2 properly-configured Meta Shields, he would have a real chance of rescuing Isha. And a real chance of getting captured and dying horribly.
- "the best guess is that shadow+camouflage+misdirection would combine in a synergistic fashion rendering the meta shield weaker but much improved at shrouding the people using it." and "Meta Shields tend to lose direct strength from phase forging but gain secondary aspects in turn; you would need to use Quintessential Essence to avoid that." Also, Quintessential Essence costs 1k Exatari Favor per unit and can only be made by The Witness (cost will decrease when The Witness wakes up) ("basically a jump from low DAoT to primitive War In Heaven technology") ("a Meta Shield phase forged with a Veil Essence would require Godslayer traits to pierce").
- Create Malal by spreading further Chaotic infighting. /semi-joking
- One plan: Rescue Isha. Make it look like Slaanesh did it, but did a sloppy job of framing Khorne. Nurgle will know a plan that complicated has to be Tzeentch. Mission accomplished.
- But this also locks out the possible "convince Nurgle he's actually really evil yes really so that he hands off all his powers to Isha" option...
- Possible short-term option: Ceg ritual to maximize number of interesting planets grabbed (1% -> 5%, but gives Atraxas a headache sadly).
- Some of our tricks - including Veil Tech and definitely including "living metal" stuff - are of interest to the Necrons. Might or might not be important.
- While it's incredibly difficult to truly ally with Emps / The Tyrant, it isn't actually impossible. And they're really good at anti-Chaos. Some notable options:
A refinement on the post-invasion actions, assuming we start with 300 Calc Hearts:
- Turn 12: Recovery. Begin Gravity 3-turn (consider other optimizations too if any?). Calc-Heart Stack does Repairs.
- Turn 13: 1-turn Divinity (4 Actions). (Burn 2 Wounds for +4 Actions.) Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~114->~171.
- Also see about doing Hide Resources - then we can do Hybridization Project and Create emergency evacuation measures and a few others.
- Turn 14: Atraxas buys +200 Calc Hearts (+300 would be better yet but I'm not counting on it), end Gravity 3-turn. Existing Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~171->~228.
- Turn 15: Atraxas preps for Streamline the Code of Law. Calc-Hearts 1-turn Foundational Medical Care (could swap with SysOrbAlign below - if enough spare Resources).
- Turn 16: Atraxas scrambles (burn 3 Wounds) to Streamline the Code of Law AND prevent an Audit. Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~228->~323.
- Turn 17: Atraxas recovers from near-Audit. Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~323->~418.
- Turns 18-22ish: Calc-Hearts handle System Overhaul, Atraxas +Nalka handle Reformation of the Shadows.
- Turn 22ish: Atraxas builds a second Gravity Barge II (estimated).
- Turn 23ish-26ish: Calc Hearts finish Planetary Acquisition (36/action average; 5 actions/turn) and 1-turn System Orbital Alignment. Might grab yet-more Hearts - for this and the multi-turn-skip. Might skip Matryoshka turns - and wait for some of the planets - depending.
- Turns 23ish-27ish: Matryoshka 1; Calc Hearts double progress once done grabbing Planets. Maybe even triple?
- Turns 28ish-32ish: Matryoshka 2; need 800 Calc Hearts to double progress.
A refinement on the post-invasion actions, assuming we start with 300 Calc Hearts:
- Turn 12: Recovery (celebrate and mourn). Begin Gravity 3-turn. Calc-Heart Stack does Repairs.
- Turn 13: 1-turn Divinity (4 Actions). (Burn 2 Wounds for +4 Actions.) Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~114->~171.
- Also see about doing Hide Resources - then we can do Hybridization Project and Create emergency evacuation measures and a few others.
- Turn 14: Atraxas buys +200 Calc Hearts (+300 would be better yet but I'm not counting on it), end Gravity 3-turn. Existing Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~171->~228.
- Turn 15: Atraxas preps for Streamline the Code of Law, builds a second Gravity Barge II (estimated), and retrofits the first Gravity Barge II (new estimated Planets: +32 each). Calc-Hearts 1-turn Foundational Medical Care (could swap with SysOrbAlign below - if enough spare Resources).
- Turn 16: Atraxas scrambles (burn 3 Wounds) to Streamline the Code of Law AND prevent an Audit. Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~228->~563.
- Turn 17: Atraxas recovers from near-Audit. Calc Heart Stack grabs Planets ~563->~898. Done!
- Turns 18-19: Atraxas +Nalka handle Reformation of the Shadows, and Atraxas founds the Ministry of Construction. (Re Shadows: Take 1 Wound on Turn 18 for +2 Actions, then contribute +2 normal Personal Actions. You might need another Personal or two on Turn 19 if Turn 18 goes badly - but probably not.)
- Turn 18: Atraxas improves Ministry of Construction. Ministry of Construction and/or Calc Heart Stack 1-turns System Orbital Alignment.
- Turns 19-25ish: Ministry of Construction goes exponential with System Overhaul. (The more Overhaul is done, the more Resources we get, the more Construction we can do.) Also, we should definitely expand the Private Army, and take serious action to stabilize the Sector. And get our Styles into a good state.
- Turn 26ish: Ministry of Construction 1-turns Matryoshka 1.
- Turn 27ish: Ministry of Construction 1-turns Matryoshka 2.
- Turn 28ish: Ministry of Construction 1-turns (or maybe 2-turns?) Matryoshka 3.
- Turns 29+: Further Matryoshka.
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The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Not sure where you're getting that number.
Don't forget Information.
- Location
- Warsaw
Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
- Location
- Scientifically proving a miracle
It looks like Gravus has 2d100+50 natively on a Gravity Action, so if you add an extra 1d100 for the Calculation Heart, and Gravus takes 3 Actions, we'd be looking at 3*(2d100+1d100)+50. That comes out to 9d100+50.
Yes. Practically, it changes our Wound Burn every-other-turn bonus from +7 Actions to +13 Actions.
Now, as far as I can tell, we only get to use this once, pre-invasion. @Leon12431, I'm assuming that we won't get to take actions on the 11th turn before the invaders arrive?
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