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Because is not a emperor born entity
Emps is hardly a player team
Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest
- Thread starter Leon12431
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Because is not a emperor born entity
Emps is hardly a player team
- Location
- USA
It's more that Humanity is only able to provide Faith to Emps or Chaos, their faith can not go anywhere else. Emps because he is the only Human god possible, and Chaos because all young races barring the Exatari have innate chaos corruption in their souls.
The Exatari instead have C'tan gunk in their souls.
The Exatari instead have C'tan gunk in their souls.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Hm. Interesting. Unfortunately, faith conduits would probably be full warp tech rather than veil tech wouldn't they?
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Yes, and of a level that the Aeldari currently are unable to reach. To build faith leylines requires Pre Aeldari Fall level warp tech at least ones that could bypass the Faith locks on Humanity.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
And Ruin tech wouldn't lower that at all? For the purposes of devices to scrub the chaos goop from faith energy.
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- USA
It's more a metaphysical lock than anything else. Its a fundamental aspect of what it means to be Human for their faith to be reserved for Emps or Chaos.
Styles
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- USA
Technically this is OOC information, but I feel that it's needed information to make the most of the Harmonization vote which is why I am posting it. Note that these values are subject change if I consider them too powerful or underpowered when they end up being merged.
Every 5 styles merged stacks the applicable values by 1, the cost of merging styles increases the more you merge in bulk or merging more styles into already merged styles. It is cheaper to merge many together at once than it is to do so piecemeal.
All stacking options are given a value at which they cap.
Ultramarines: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Extra Actions: +1 action to advisors
Stacking Aspects (5)
Improved effects of legal actions
-50 to Infrastructure DCs, applies at 5x to Megaprojects and Radiant actions
Dark Angels: Can be gained via Dark Angel successor chapters
Stacking Aspects (5)
+1 stage to counter intelligence level that does not cost upkeep and applies to finding important people
Raven Guard: Can be gained via Raven Guard successor chapters
Stacking Aspects (5)
+1 stage to spies
reduces action DCs for infiltration and spycraft by 50
Iron Hands: Can be gained via Iron Hand successor chapters that follow the culture of the original chapter
Non Stacking Aspects
Improved Ad Mech relations
Better Ad Mech diplomacy
Stacking Aspects (5)
Reduces Research DCs by 50
Imperial Fist: Can be gained via Imperial Fist successor chapters
Non Stacking Aspects
Upscales defense quality by a Tier to a cap of High Primarch
Prevents wounds from being taken during fallback to preplaced defensive lines
Stacking Aspects (5)
-50 DC to Defensive actions
-50 to the cost of building complex defenses
Kin (Squats): can be gained via diplomacy with the Kin
Non Stacking Aspects
Increases tier of orbital bombardment required to impact defenses
Stacking Aspects (5)
Increases Defenses wound totals by 2
Increases mining action caps by 5
Martian: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Machine Spirits are more resistant to scrapcode
Provides 0.05 to the system Extraction and Production bonus
Stacking Aspects (5)
Education +1
Tech Priests of Magos or higher gain +5 to their focused field
White Scars: can be gained via White Scar successor chapters
Non Stacking Aspects
Willpower training is 10% more effective
Stacking Aspects (5)
Psykers gain 1 tier of willpower
Humans gain half a tier of willpower rounded down
Space Wolves: can be gained via the Space Wolves
Non Stacking Aspects
Enables all military forces to punch up by one tier of quality, caps at Peak Solar Aux
Astartes act as if they are a tier higher, caps at Low Primarch
Stacking Aspects (5)
Unlocks melee specialization training for military forces
Improves military training
Aeldar: can be gained via diplomacy with the Aeldari
Non Stacking Aspects
Champions start at Tier 3 in their focus
Heroes start at Tier 5 in their focus
Legends start at Tier 7 in their focus
Stacking Aspects (5)
Psykers skills are increased by 1 Tier, caps at Astarte novice
Psyker willpower is increased by 2 Tiers, caps at Tier 6
Necron: Shezu would be willing to provide this after Atraxas learns her language
Non Stacking Aspects
+5 Education
Stacking Aspects (5)
Education gives 20% more value
Megaprojects that require the allocation of Production are cheaper to build by 5% in material costs
Stacking Aspects (10)
gain +0.2 to the system bonus for Extraction and Production
Gothic: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Suspicion reduced for all actions by 1 per base 10 suspicion it costs caps at 10 reduction
Gives actions related to invoking Emps or the Tyrant within the Shogi system a +55
Salamanders: can be gained via the Salamanders
Non Stacking Aspects
reduces DAoT research DCs by 100
Stacking Aspects (5)
enables Atraxas to make Relics at a DC of 95 baseline, every stack reduces this DC by 5
Blood Angels: can be gained from successor chapters that follow the culture of the original chapter
Non Stacking Aspects
Suspicion reduced for all actions by 1 per base 10 suspicion it costs caps at 5 reduction
Stacking Aspects (5)
Increases the effects of other Styles by 20%
Exatari: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Research of Particle/Physics/Sensors/Energy are reduced by 200
Deep Infrastructure provides 20% more output baseline
Stacking Aspects (5)
All materials that are classed as exotics gain +0.1 production rate
Manticore Knights: Can be gained via diplomacy with the Manticore Knight chapter of Erimyst
Non Stacking Aspects
+1 Health
Psykers act at one skill higher, caps at Astartes Adept
Training is more effective
Stacking Aspects (5)
Effects of Health are increased by 5%
Order of the Golden Spirit: Can be gained via diplomacy with the Golden Spirit order of Erimyst
Non Stacking Aspects
Titans act as if they are a tier above their nominal level (caps at Low Primarch)
Training is more effective
Stacking Aspects (5)
Psykers gain 1 Tier to Faith
Every 5 styles merged stacks the applicable values by 1, the cost of merging styles increases the more you merge in bulk or merging more styles into already merged styles. It is cheaper to merge many together at once than it is to do so piecemeal.
All stacking options are given a value at which they cap.
Ultramarines: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Extra Actions: +1 action to advisors
Stacking Aspects (5)
Improved effects of legal actions
-50 to Infrastructure DCs, applies at 5x to Megaprojects and Radiant actions
Dark Angels: Can be gained via Dark Angel successor chapters
Stacking Aspects (5)
+1 stage to counter intelligence level that does not cost upkeep and applies to finding important people
Raven Guard: Can be gained via Raven Guard successor chapters
Stacking Aspects (5)
+1 stage to spies
reduces action DCs for infiltration and spycraft by 50
Iron Hands: Can be gained via Iron Hand successor chapters that follow the culture of the original chapter
Non Stacking Aspects
Improved Ad Mech relations
Better Ad Mech diplomacy
Stacking Aspects (5)
Reduces Research DCs by 50
Imperial Fist: Can be gained via Imperial Fist successor chapters
Non Stacking Aspects
Upscales defense quality by a Tier to a cap of High Primarch
Prevents wounds from being taken during fallback to preplaced defensive lines
Stacking Aspects (5)
-50 DC to Defensive actions
-50 to the cost of building complex defenses
Kin (Squats): can be gained via diplomacy with the Kin
Non Stacking Aspects
Increases tier of orbital bombardment required to impact defenses
Stacking Aspects (5)
Increases Defenses wound totals by 2
Increases mining action caps by 5
Martian: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Machine Spirits are more resistant to scrapcode
Provides 0.05 to the system Extraction and Production bonus
Stacking Aspects (5)
Education +1
Tech Priests of Magos or higher gain +5 to their focused field
White Scars: can be gained via White Scar successor chapters
Non Stacking Aspects
Willpower training is 10% more effective
Stacking Aspects (5)
Psykers gain 1 tier of willpower
Humans gain half a tier of willpower rounded down
Space Wolves: can be gained via the Space Wolves
Non Stacking Aspects
Enables all military forces to punch up by one tier of quality, caps at Peak Solar Aux
Astartes act as if they are a tier higher, caps at Low Primarch
Stacking Aspects (5)
Unlocks melee specialization training for military forces
Improves military training
Aeldar: can be gained via diplomacy with the Aeldari
Non Stacking Aspects
Champions start at Tier 3 in their focus
Heroes start at Tier 5 in their focus
Legends start at Tier 7 in their focus
Stacking Aspects (5)
Psykers skills are increased by 1 Tier, caps at Astarte novice
Psyker willpower is increased by 2 Tiers, caps at Tier 6
Necron: Shezu would be willing to provide this after Atraxas learns her language
Non Stacking Aspects
+5 Education
Stacking Aspects (5)
Education gives 20% more value
Megaprojects that require the allocation of Production are cheaper to build by 5% in material costs
Stacking Aspects (10)
gain +0.2 to the system bonus for Extraction and Production
Gothic: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Suspicion reduced for all actions by 1 per base 10 suspicion it costs caps at 10 reduction
Gives actions related to invoking Emps or the Tyrant within the Shogi system a +55
Salamanders: can be gained via the Salamanders
Non Stacking Aspects
reduces DAoT research DCs by 100
Stacking Aspects (5)
enables Atraxas to make Relics at a DC of 95 baseline, every stack reduces this DC by 5
Blood Angels: can be gained from successor chapters that follow the culture of the original chapter
Non Stacking Aspects
Suspicion reduced for all actions by 1 per base 10 suspicion it costs caps at 5 reduction
Stacking Aspects (5)
Increases the effects of other Styles by 20%
Exatari: Unlocked
Non Stacking Aspects
Research of Particle/Physics/Sensors/Energy are reduced by 200
Deep Infrastructure provides 20% more output baseline
Stacking Aspects (5)
All materials that are classed as exotics gain +0.1 production rate
Manticore Knights: Can be gained via diplomacy with the Manticore Knight chapter of Erimyst
Non Stacking Aspects
+1 Health
Psykers act at one skill higher, caps at Astartes Adept
Training is more effective
Stacking Aspects (5)
Effects of Health are increased by 5%
Order of the Golden Spirit: Can be gained via diplomacy with the Golden Spirit order of Erimyst
Non Stacking Aspects
Titans act as if they are a tier above their nominal level (caps at Low Primarch)
Training is more effective
Stacking Aspects (5)
Psykers gain 1 Tier to Faith
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QM, as for people catching up (read me), can you please put the winning votes for all voting into a spoiler or something in the subsequent thread marked post? And/or just threadmark the posts where you call the votes (can do threadmarks purely for voting) as well as any posts you do that hold pertinent information to the main story. Thank you for your work so far though!
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
So we're bum out of luck unless the Golden Library lets us loophole that "only human god" rule the same way He does with Living Saints, Angyls and the Damned. What happens if (and I know we'll almost certainly never hit this point) we kill Chaos? Will all young species just be unable to worship anything (except humans and Big E if he didn't turn Tyrant before Chaos bit it) or will their souls unlock?
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- USA
Oh, only humans are limited to Emps or Chaos. Any other young race is perfectly capable of worshipping anything they wish and their faith goes to that thing. Their issue is that Chaos is just too big for any gods to really form faster than Chaos slurps up their faith and any god that does form tends to be slurped up by the closest chaos daemon or god.
Living Saints are not intrinsically part of Emps, they bear fragments of his soul yes, but they are still at their core individual humans with their pre ascension personalities. Angyls are basically just Emps/Tyrant version of daemons, the Damned are more of an edge case where powerful souls that are connected to Emps can maintain themselves.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
1) So what happens to humans if we kill chaos? Or chaos and Emps
2) Would any of our Veil tech be helpful for birthing Ynnead or is that too deep on the warp side?
3) Daemons are basically just gods, just subservient to/part of bigger gods. If learning the Golden Library will let us align the products of our godforging to Big E's anti-Chaos pro-Human flavor, that'd be very useful, regardless of if what we're creating technically counts as a god.
4) Are there Ork or Jokaero styles?
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1) if you kill Chaos, nothing changes. If you kill Emps in the right way humans can create gods, if you dont then the mantle of Emperor just falls to the best candidate that would probably be Lion or Roboute and they would inherit the largest if not the full power of the Emperor. The Tyrant would also arise from killing Emps in a wrong way.
2) Way too deep in warp land
3) Emps will never accepts gods without changing his views on his own divinity first. The more likely outcome is you link them to the Tyrant than Emps
4) I am unsure of this question, could you explain this more.
Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
- Location
- Scientifically proving a miracle
I assume the question comes down to: "Can you learn anything (and merge it into your Harmonized style) from Orks or the Jokaero (ape-tinkers)?"
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- USA
In this case, no both of them are too different to work. The orks dont have a style currently, you would need Beast or Krork for that. The Jokaero are too alien to provide a manageable style in the beginning.
Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
- Location
- Scientifically proving a miracle
New goal: Return the Krork to the galactic scene.
(Mostly joking.)
- Location
- India
Is it possible to kill possibility of Tyrant within Emperor and increase its polar opposite possibility like Starchild aka his more positive aspects?
- Location
- USA
There is no such thing as the Starchild in this quest. In this quest Emps and the Tyrant are both currently active but locked in a stalemate of sorts within the same soul. If Emps dies, the Tyrant becomes a Chaos God, if Emps is healed the Tyrant becomes a warp reflection of Emps.
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- India
Can Emperor not able to subsume Tyrant or modify it like that greater daemon?
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- USA
The Tyrant is peer to Emps, and more than that its part of him. It's not a parasite or creation of the church or chaos. Its just the representation of the split between the Redeemer and the Warlord sides of Emps.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Hm. I wonder if we (or a Scholar of Trinity preferably) can survive a conversation long enough to make a "practical duck" argument. Because maybe he wasn't a god at one point, but he definitely is now.
What does warp reflection mean in this context?
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- USA
Emps has absolutely convinced himself that he is Not A God, and pretty much nothing will change his mind on this topic.
Basically if Emps is healed, the Tyrant would exist but solely in the warp. Well the two would swap, but they would be the same person but different sides of the coin. The Redeemer and The Warlord so to speak.
- Location
- India
What is difference between warp Reflection Tyrant and Chaos God Tyrant?
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
So the only way for the Tyrant to cease being a threat is for the Emperor to get some therapy and consolidate his self image.
Does this mean that they're too weird at their core to ever produce one, or that they're too weird until we understand them better?
But if something were able to do so, I'd put money on "a super intelligent diplomat used to the Byzantine logic of soul gestalts caught up in grudges that span longer than most civilizations and equipped with being literally, definitionally correct" being the best for the job.
But what does that mean in practice? Is the Living Emperor not doing big scale warp fuckery while the Tyrant gets to do whatever without the stalemate distracting him? Is the Tyrant just an extension of the Living Emperor's will, but angrier?
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Mostly that the latter is lacking Emps to balance itself out. It no longer has any form of morality, which the Redeemer side of Emps is currently providing. Technically the Tyrant even without Emps would not be as bad as a normal Chaos God since it would still have some level of care for humanity, but in a very overlord style.
There are a handful of ways, but most of them involve getting Emps to be healthy again. Another option is for Emps to renounce his godhood and the power it provides, throw that entire mess into the Tyrant, use the Custodians to shatter the connection it would have to Humanity and then be reborn. Emps however, would never do that due to the sheer amount of power loss inherent to that action.So the only way for the Tyrant to cease being a threat is for the Emperor to get some therapy and consolidate his self image.
Its more that they arent a real species, so their style is more the Old One's style which is far to complex to even approximate.
That is true, of anyone in the galaxy Emps would be most likely to be convinced by a Scholar of the Trinity or Roboute/Primarch.
Closer to the second one. The Emperor and The Tyrant would both exist at once, but the face that would take precedence would be decided based on the situation at hand. The Emperor would be the one going around healing the dying and mutants, restoring humanity and so forth. While The Tyrant would be the one raining heavenly fire down on the foes of man across the galaxy via prayers.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
So wait for the Eldar to finish summoning Ynnead turn 100 (possibly earlier if any of our actions speed up their progress somehow and preferably without the 13th Black Crusade going to shit and stopping it halfway through) and then get Homeworld on the horn to send someone to Big Bobby G's "is daddy a god" debate club.