No worries, we're just dialing in our assumptions.
I think infantry weapons this turn, so there's time to equip them. I prefer to upgrade our SAGs over the logistics. Mostly to preserve our current veterency.
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No worries, we're just dialing in our assumptions.
I think infantry weapons this turn, so there's time to equip them. I prefer to upgrade our SAGs over the logistics. Mostly to preserve our current veterency.
If we're gonna do any research at all, now's the time. Otherwise if we do it next turn we might not be able to spread out the upgrades to all our guys.
That would mean sending troops with brand new equipment that they have barely had time against 10 years of training with them.
Whereas the Civ fleet can be used right from the get go.
The problem is that the risk is just so high. We are going to more than double our population out of this, which will be amazing for our productivity. But if that action fails (and remember the Lamenter's luck...) then we flush most of that down the toilet.
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[] Plan: ALL IN, The River
-[] [Military] Fill Out Sector Battle Group
--[] Basilisk (1/2.5)
-[] Evacuation Fleets - (2/4)
-[] [Megafreighters] Now that the infiltration has been thorough, it should now be controlling, aiming to gain the ability to influence the mechanical systems, to keep the engines and other key components from blowing up and keeping them under control, and otherwise foment the necessary takeover as carefully as possible. We have a timeline, we have a timeframe now. Now all we need to do is prepare for the Mutiny that will save billions of lives on Voxx Primus.
[] Plan: ALL IN, Cards On The Table, IF the Send Fleets and Trigger The Revolution are separate actions... which is the impression I was under?
-[] Trigger Revolution
-Send Fleet
-[] Evacuation Fleets - (3/4)
[] Plan: ALL IN, Cards On The Table, IF They're The Same
-[] Trigger Revolution-Send Fleet
-[] Logistical Armor Upgrade with 1 Free Research.
-[] Evacuation Fleets - (3/4)
That's why I wanna do Logistical Armor, honestly?
We have a LOT of fighters on our side, ones that will outnumber the SAGs we send by several dozen to one, and probably several hundred to one. And who will die en masse... cheap armor we can give them could make a real difference there, when they're the ones taking the losses to allow our SAGs to be the elites... and it also helps our SAGs.
-[] [Military] Fill Out Sector Battle Group
--[] Basilisk (1/2.5)
-[] Evacuation Fleets - (2/4)
-[] [Megafreighters] Now that the infiltration has been thorough, it should now be controlling, aiming to gain the ability to influence the mechanical systems, to keep the engines and other key components from blowing up and keeping them under control, and otherwise foment the necessary takeover as carefully as possible. We have a timeline, we have a timeframe now. Now all we need to do is prepare for the Mutiny that will save billions of lives on Voxx Primus.
[] Plan: ALL IN, Cards On The Table, IF the Send Fleets and Trigger The Revolution are separate actions... which is the impression I was under?
-[] Trigger Revolution
-Send Fleet
-[] Evacuation Fleets - (3/4)
[] Plan: ALL IN, Cards On The Table, IF They're The Same
-[] Trigger Revolution-Send Fleet
-[] Logistical Armor Upgrade with 1 Free Research.
-[] Evacuation Fleets - (3/4)
That's why I wanna do Logistical Armor, honestly?
We have a LOT of fighters on our side, ones that will outnumber the SAGs we send by several dozen to one, and probably several hundred to one. And who will die en masse... cheap armor we can give them could make a real difference there, when they're the ones taking the losses to allow our SAGs to be the elites... and it also helps our SAGs.
TBF, that Lamenter's Luck mainly affects themselves. They'll take horrendous losses, but they'll do their damnedest to save as many people as possible. And quite honestly, I have faith in our Bois in Yellow.
But that's just cheaper stuff that we already have? We are talking about new kinds of equipment.
I don't get how Logistical Armor could relate to that.
Fair enough. We do have more hive-native non-SAG fighters than SAGs. Does feel like maybe we should get it this turn to let them build though of them though.
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Cheaper stuff that we already have, so that we can outfit all of our Auxilleries that are going to do such a bulk of the fighting that our local losses per turn apparently go down from 50 SAG to 20 SAG. Which is a HUGE decrease in losses considering how badly equipped they have to be.
Considering how much better equipped and trained our SAGs are, and yet the Local Fighters can reduce the SAG losses from 50 to 20... it's almost certainly FAR more.
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For the record, this issue is why Logistical research counted as Additional Action to delay the Voxx Revolution. It's a pretty big deal, more important IMO than incremental progress on weapons and armor.
But they are already equipped? Like, we don't have supply problems at all at the moment.
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We haven't upgraded our Military Industry in centuries, since we went for All-Five. I am absolutely certain there will be problems equipping everyone when we have 500 million (or even 50 million, exact numbers don't matter) new recruits who suddenly need to be trained in the next year or two to win the Battle of Not! Stalingrad
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We are going to be relying a lot in the Lamenters aren't we.
Pempelune
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No, Cooky told us that our Voxx Hivers aren't equipped to our level. In part to not alarm the authorities, in part because it's really hard to supply enough weapons and armors through our Chamleon alone.
Are you moving the goalpost?
What BigBadBob and I want is to give our troops new and better guns, not more guns that we already produce.
I think giving the Hivers new equipment that they have never seen before right in the middle of a war is a bad idea.
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I honestly am very unsure whether we'd have the ability to supply them to our levels even if we had free access, at the kinds of numbers that will be involved. As far as I can tell, our SAGs are relatively smallish, on the kind of absurd scale of Voxx Primus. They're just also pretty elite and badass.
No, I'm saying that giving the Hivers better armor would help them and our cause more than a lot of advanced guns that we aren't providing at a Logistical rate for the sort of Levee En Masse that they'll be relying on.
Also this is why I'm going with armor and not guns.
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*Looks at the Lamenters Luck*
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*Looks at the implications of the discussion*
... A lot.
Sweet, lets get it done. The Song is dope.
We had 2 Turns (830, 840) of Rustbucket auto-production I think, should we have an extra 3 somewhere? Or 6 if it doesn't lower Evac Fleet action? Its worth 800 FP I think, I don't see the 6 FP of destroyers making an impact. They'd be useful for Alpha fleet.
I think this has always been the case if we do only one Infiltrate.
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Also this is kinda contradictory? You want to give our troops new and better guns, except for our troops that will be doing the majority of the fighting and dying, seeing as they reduce the Per-Turn SAG losses by more than half (50 to 20).
If giving a large portion of our fighting troops new and better guns is a problem (and the Hivers are in fact going to be fighting and dying in our name) then why would Novel and Experimental Weapons be a good choice?
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But yeah, honestly it partially comes down to the answer, because I swear I remember HeroCooky repeatedly stating that you'd have to take an action to send your fleet to help the revolution that is triggered (that takes an action).
E: But now I'm certainly confused about the exact specifics. But I do think if we have the time/room that the Logistical Armor is the best bet.
E: But now I'm certainly confused about the exact specifics. But I do think if we have the time/room that the Logistical Armor is the best bet.
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We've asked that a lot of times already, the most recent is this:
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That's the thing that's confusing me. A part of my brain is interpreting the 2/3 as, "The revolution triggering and the necessary fleet action will take 2/3rds of the actions, that is to say two actions."
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Well it can't be, the maths wouldn't work.
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It's 9 as in 4+3+2, so 2 actions next turn. I don't get why this is so confusing to everyone (myself included).