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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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Nyvis said:
I think you're focusing way too much on the name of the program rather than what it represents. There's is nothing saying you have a fixed allocation of medical goods. The national ration is more of a general umbrella for attempts to guarantee basic services and goods. It's probably just going to be free prescriptions.
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How I imagine it would work in practice is that everyone would get a certain number of visits to a care provider covered with no questions asked, and from there it would generally be up to the medical staff in question how many medical resources should be devoted to a patient. There are legitimate public health reasons to not freely distribute certain medications, even where we have the capacity to produce them - antibiotics can develop resistant disease strains with extended overuse, for example.

In general, though, I agree that the point of the policy ought to make medical care free at the point of use. It probably shouldn't be literally rolled in with ration cards, but that's an administrative hurdle, not a material or organizational one.
 
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I keep saying this is an admistrative problem, not a idea problem.
And forgive me for thinking the "national ration" works like a ration.
 
Chipsy_21 said:
And forgive me for thinking the "national ration" works like a ration.
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I will not lie, calling it a ration seems a bit confusing when applied to any other context, but it is essentially just a minimum provision program wherein you are guaranteed a certain amount of certain goods should you choose to request them.
 
nachtingale said:
I will not lie, calling it a ration seems a bit confusing when applied to any other context, but it is essentially just a minimum provision program wherein you are guaranteed a certain amount of certain goods should you choose to request them.
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I mean I feel like that's rather the point. Unlike food where there can be a standard estimation in how much each person need, medicine are much more complicated and diverging. Someone can be very healthy and require no medical attention at all for the entire year while the other can suffered from chronic illness and require constant medical attention and medicine more than the guarantee minimum. There is also the case such as accidents or emergency that might also put their medicine requirement more than normal as well. When we research more advanced and specialised medicine, this will become even more complicated. For example, healthy people would not need insulin but it would be absolutely crucial for anyone suffered from diabetes.

Overall, I think we should treat medicine as something that is "universally accessible for any need as much as feasible" would be better than treating it as "a minimum amount for everyone."
 
Chipsy_21 said:
I Know!?
I keep saying this is an admistrative problem, not a idea problem.
And forgive me for thinking the "national ration" works like a ration.
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In concept, it's more of a guaranteed minimum than a national ration, yeah. It probably just sounded cooler, and might be how the goods side of things is implemented.

It wouldn't be the first national institution in the world to carry a legacy name while having evolved past it.
 
I would like to point this out now, rather than later, but how would a person know what kind of prescription drug they need? Especially in the future, drugs and pharmaceuticals will just get more and more complicated, and so a layman would probably have a lot of trouble choosing the kind they need, and in what amount, for the kind of malady they have and of what severity it actually is.
 
01paradox01 said:
I would like to point this out now, rather than later, but how would a person know what kind of prescription drug they need? Especially in the future, drugs and pharmaceuticals will just get more and more complicated, and so a layman would probably have a lot of trouble choosing the kind they need, and in what amount, for the kind of malady they have and of what severity it actually is.
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Nothing bars you from asking a doctor in the proposed scheme?
 
Nyvis said:
Nothing bars you from asking a doctor in the proposed scheme?
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I had the impression that people wanted to exclude doctors from the equation entirely. If the doctor appointment thing is how it is, then the 'Letting people get their own prescription drugs' is theatrics really. Fair enough.
 
01paradox01 said:
I had the impression that people wanted to exclude doctors from the equation entirely. If the doctor appointment thing is how it is, then the 'Letting people get their own prescription drugs' is theatrics really. Fair enough.
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It's mostly to leave the door a bit more open than only your GP being able to prescribe to you, not to lock people out of that option, which will probably still be people's main source of prescription.
 
[X] The Cooperative Party
-[X] Plan Cooperativism is Local Control Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Organize local planning hubs as equal partners to the republic wide planning commission, tasked with short loop answers to local demand.
--[X] Invest in a country wide electrification drive, with the ultimate goal to reach every community in time.
--[X] Send human and financial assistance to Spain and Italy to help them build up their worker and farmer owned economies.
--[X] Connect with underground rebellious elements in our imperial league neighbours to organize revolutionary defeatist networks ready to sabotage the empires' war effort when liberation comes for them.
--[X] Set up non-territorial councils and communication hubs so that people of particular languages and culture groups can discuss matters relevant to them as such.
--[X] Compulsory Education shall include a course including outdoors survival, navigation and firearm operation.
 
Adhoc vote count started by notbirdofprey on May 31, 2023 at 11:48 AM, finished with 210 posts and 95 votes.
  • [X] The Communist Party
    -[X] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
    --[X] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
    --[X] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
    --[X] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
    --[X] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
    --[X] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
    --[X] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
    [X] The Cooperative Party
    -[X] Plan Cooperativism is Local Control Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
    --[X] Organize local planning hubs as equal partners to the republic wide planning commission, tasked with short loop answers to local demand.
    --[X] Invest in a country wide electrification drive, with the ultimate goal to reach every community in time.
    --[X] Send human and financial assistance to Spain and Italy to help them build up their worker and farmer owned economies.
    --[X] Connect with underground rebellious elements in our imperial league neighbours to organize revolutionary defeatist networks ready to sabotage the empires' war effort when liberation comes for them.
    --[X] Set up non-territorial councils and communication hubs so that people of particular languages and culture groups can discuss matters relevant to them as such.
    --[X] Compulsory Education shall include a course including outdoors survival, navigation and firearm operation.
    [X] The Radical Party
    -[x] A Radical Tomorrow, Together with Socialists
    --[x] Assist Spain & Italy in military-industrial build-up in preparation for our showdown against the Imperial League.
    --[x] Incorporate radicals and Jacobins into the International Worker's Association to the socialist one. Create a sub-branch called the Volunteers for Liberty group which will coordinate revolutionary volunteers for foreign conflicts.
    --[x] Consolidate our "Alpine Academy" as a foreign intelligence service to begin establishing networks in the Imperial League. The networks should support radical and revolutionary movements and prepare to impede the Imperial war effort, and if feasible, prepare uprisings.
    --[x] Continue both naval expansion for Baltic supremacy & the reforms of the Leutewehr in line with the Civil War Report.
    --[x] Establish the Academy of Advanced Sciences and Engineering to begin an investigation into new forms of technology, such as Benz's internal combustion engine and the development of new medicines.
    --[x] Organize intercultural committees with Spain and Italy to have regular exchanges between our peoples to celebrate our common struggles against monarchism.
    [X] Social Democratic Party
    -[X] Socialism on the Seven Seas
    --[X] Create a streamlined framework for issuing and trading of bonds by local governments, banks and commercial enterprises. Bonds will only be nominally taxed to encourage their use.
    --[X] Pursue an expansion and modernization of the Marinewehr. It is shameful that our navy is not up to the standard of the Landwehr.
    --[X] Expand and modernize the healthcare system to accomodate the rapidly growing population.
    --[X] Try and create a friendship treaty with Japan
    --[X] Use the foreign development bank to specifically target Italy, Spain and Japan (if they accept the friendship treaty) with loans and investments.
    --[X] Establish numerous dedicated engineering colleges and institutes to slowly build up the expertise necessary for continued expansion of the economy. The curriculum will include mandatory classes on military engineering.
    --[X] Send German Landwehr advisors to Italy and Japan to help them establish militaries of the same quality as Germany. Japan's advisors go on the condition that they accept the friendship treaty.
    [X] The Radical Party
    -[X] Vienna by Christmas
    --[X] Invade France.
    --[X] Annex the Netherlands.
    --[X] Send arms to Poland.
    --[X] Enlist every man, woman, and child into the army.
    --[X] Pass out jaunty hats to raise national morale.
    --[X] Make defeatism a capital offense.
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Etranger on May 29, 2023 at 12:46 PM, finished with 165 posts and 95 votes.
    • [X] The Communist Party
      -[X] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
      --[X] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
      --[X] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
      --[X] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
      --[X] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
      --[X] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
      --[X] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
      [X] The Cooperative Party
      -[X] Plan Cooperativism is Local Control Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
      --[X] Organize local planning hubs as equal partners to the republic wide planning commission, tasked with short loop answers to local demand.
      --[X] Invest in a country wide electrification drive, with the ultimate goal to reach every community in time.
      --[X] Send human and financial assistance to Spain and Italy to help them build up their worker and farmer owned economies.
      --[X] Connect with underground rebellious elements in our imperial league neighbours to organize revolutionary defeatist networks ready to sabotage the empires' war effort when liberation comes for them.
      --[X] Set up non-territorial councils and communication hubs so that people of particular languages and culture groups can discuss matters relevant to them as such.
      --[X] Compulsory Education shall include a course including outdoors survival, navigation and firearm operation.
      [X] The Radical Party
      -[x] A Radical Tomorrow, Together with Socialists
      --[x] Assist Spain & Italy in military-industrial build-up in preparation for our showdown against the Imperial League.
      --[x] Incorporate radicals and Jacobins into the International Worker's Association to the socialist one. Create a sub-branch called the Volunteers for Liberty group which will coordinate revolutionary volunteers for foreign conflicts.
      --[x] Consolidate our "Alpine Academy" as a foreign intelligence service to begin establishing networks in the Imperial League. The networks should support radical and revolutionary movements and prepare to impede the Imperial war effort, and if feasible, prepare uprisings.
      --[x] Continue both naval expansion for Baltic supremacy & the reforms of the Leutewehr in line with the Civil War Report.
      --[x] Establish the Academy of Advanced Sciences and Engineering to begin an investigation into new forms of technology, such as Benz's internal combustion engine and the development of new medicines.
      --[x] Organize intercultural committees with Spain and Italy to have regular exchanges between our peoples to celebrate our common struggles against monarchism.
      [X] Social Democratic Party
      -[X] Socialism on the Seven Seas
      --[X] Create a streamlined framework for issuing and trading of bonds by local governments, banks and commercial enterprises. Bonds will only be nominally taxed to encourage their use.
      --[X] Pursue an expansion and modernization of the Marinewehr. It is shameful that our navy is not up to the standard of the Landwehr.
      --[X] Expand and modernize the healthcare system to accomodate the rapidly growing population.
      --[X] Try and create a friendship treaty with Japan
      --[X] Use the foreign development bank to specifically target Italy, Spain and Japan (if they accept the friendship treaty) with loans and investments.
      --[X] Establish numerous dedicated engineering colleges and institutes to slowly build up the expertise necessary for continued expansion of the economy. The curriculum will include mandatory classes on military engineering.
      --[X] Send German Landwehr advisors to Italy and Japan to help them establish militaries of the same quality as Germany. Japan's advisors go on the condition that they accept the friendship treaty.
      [X] The Radical Party
      -[X] Vienna by Christmas
      --[X] Invade France.
      --[X] Annex the Netherlands.
      --[X] Send arms to Poland.
      --[X] Enlist every man, woman, and child into the army.
      --[X] Pass out jaunty hats to raise national morale.
      --[X] Make defeatism a capital offense.
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    • I mean, on a very technical level, the coop plan say nothing about how electrification is to be done, so obviously, this mean they (well, we, I did vote for Coop) are going to just support the Communists' plan so we can electrified faster instead of fight each other.

    ...Yeah, no, that's not going to happens. Although to be fair, I don't know if distributed power generation is something feasible yet?
     
    @Etranger could we have an brief update on the internal politics of our republican allies? We really don't know much about it.
    From Spain, we know that their government is structured similar to the First German Republic, since it was described as "a republic organized along German lines" before our civil war. We also know they threw their support behind the Jacobins during the civil war. And that's pretty much it. That's 10 years or so old information, wich can be fairly outdated, considering how quickly republican politics can potentially change depending on election results.

    In contrast, we know that the current Italian Senate is fairly radical and socialist from the get go
    Etranger said:
    the first time in a century, a freely-elected Senate sits in Rome, and from it flows radical and socialist laws that aim to abolish the aristocracy, grant freedom to the oppressed, and mobilize the whole of the nation against the imperialist powers.
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    but we know little about how it's structured.

    I'm not asking for full on update or anything, but it'd be nice to have a brief rundown from time to time, even if it's only like, two or three lines.
     
    Aranfan said:
    Looks like there's going to be a knife fight about the centralization of the electrical infrastructure.
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    There might be depending on how our dear QM read our parties but since I focused on pushing distribution to every community, I think the fight will be more on priorities between focused development of industrial electricity and broader electrification of the country than on having an unified grid. I hope.

    Our politics have been pretty consensus driven so I wouldn't be surprised if the agreement on electricity investment is a good thing even if we want different things out of it.
     
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