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What's your source for Hungary being solidly monarchist? I'm pretty sure I remember discussion about them having a suppressed movement in the past.
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What's your source for Hungary being solidly monarchist? I'm pretty sure I remember discussion about them having a suppressed movement in the past.
Sure, the operative word there being suppressed. In Austria we've at least got the austromarxists but we've had zero indication of any kind of antimonarchist sentiment in Hungary for the duration of the war. There's also the fact that they've been able to keep millions of troops in the field despite losing two capitals, and that takes more than passive acceptance from the population.
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Four capitals now. But the Austrian army is an appendage of the Russian military system at this point and does not any longer require domestic supply.
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It's impossible to precisely quantify war weariness and the government doesn't do opinion polling, but your by-elections have begun to trend more toward electing pro-peace candidates than pro-war candidates. If opinion was at broadly "the war should end when we've won" at the start of the conflict, it has shifted more toward "the war should end in the not-too-distant future" as a majority perspective and "the war should end right now" as a growing minority perspective.
The economic strain is beginning to show but is also probably still sustainable for a while yet. There aren't any shortages on the domestic or military front, for instance.
The negotiations going down in flames will strengthen domestic calls for peace in the long term.
On a completely unrelated note, and in response to a request on Discord for independent nation colors, I officially present the George Nathaniel Curzon Memorial Redraw Eastern Europe Kit, a fantastic rainbow of potential states and statelets that could arise out of the ongoing war. Feel free to make use of it when laying out your proposed new order, which when realized will surely solve all ethnic and cultural problems forever. Have fun, and remember: the world is your canvas!
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
How much does the Launch Day DLC to unlock the rest of the Baltic States, Belarus, and Ukraine cost?
[] Claim as many crowns as possible (-1 leverage)
-[] We will cast down tyrants and liberate nations.
-[] Poland shall be independent.
-[] The Alliance shall additionally take Slovakia and Hungary.
-[] The Habsburg Empire must be placed under Alliance control.
-[] Russia and Austria must pay modest reparations.
-[] The other League states must be reorganized.
-[] We will cast down tyrants and liberate nations.
-[] Poland shall be independent.
-[] The Alliance shall additionally take Slovakia and Hungary.
-[] The Habsburg Empire must be placed under Alliance control.
-[] Russia and Austria must pay modest reparations.
-[] The other League states must be reorganized.
nachtingale
20. On that "honk, mimimi" type beat everyday.
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I am once again asking questers to consider the power of the Universal Republic!
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About one and a half million German boys and girls. Each section of DLC may be had on its own for a portion of that cost.
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[] Claim as many crowns as possible (-1 leverage)
-[] We will cast down tyrants and liberate nations.
-[] Poland shall be independent. (+1 leverage)
-[] The Alliance shall additionally take Slovakia and Hungary. (-4 leverage)
-[] The Habsburg Empire must be placed under Alliance control. (-2 leverage)
-[] Russia and Austria do not have to pay reparations.
-[] The other League states must be reorganized. (-2 leverage)
This kills as many monarchies as possible. Yes, it's a smaller Poland, leaving behind Polish minority areas. But this is a plan they can accept and it ends the Habsburgs and their Balkan allies for good.
We can even put them all in one federation to ensure it keeps being a prison of nations
-[] We will cast down tyrants and liberate nations.
-[] Poland shall be independent. (+1 leverage)
-[] The Alliance shall additionally take Slovakia and Hungary. (-4 leverage)
-[] The Habsburg Empire must be placed under Alliance control. (-2 leverage)
-[] Russia and Austria do not have to pay reparations.
-[] The other League states must be reorganized. (-2 leverage)
This kills as many monarchies as possible. Yes, it's a smaller Poland, leaving behind Polish minority areas. But this is a plan they can accept and it ends the Habsburgs and their Balkan allies for good.
We can even put them all in one federation to ensure it keeps being a prison of nations
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Historically, the Hungarian Soviet Republic that briefly existed after WW1 had virtually nonexistent support and influence in the Hungarian countryside. It had some support from urban workers but much of that support was due to promises of defending historical Hungarian borders. The Hungarian Soviet Republic collapsed largely because it was unable to fulfill these promises due to the pressure of Hungary's foreign foes and the declaration of the Slovak Soviet Republic by red Hungarian forces which greatly angered Hungarian nationalists who regarded the internationalism of the government as a betrayal of Hungarian interests.
Hungary is a conservative country that would probably not be so welcoming to socialist reconstruction.
Hungary is a conservative country that would probably not be so welcoming to socialist reconstruction.
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I'd estimate 750000-1 million Germans.
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You would be best served in making the argument that any people is hereditarily reactionary by not copying right-biased Wikipedia articles nearly verbatim.
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We have a lot of advantages over the Hungarian Soviet Republic:
- We are permissive of the yeomanry as part of our coalition thanks to radical republicans
- We are a rich industrialized country capable of lifting up the country economically
- We are going to have a period of peace and rebuilding rather than be forced to fight for our existence
- This timeline's Hungary is more radical and we have word from the QM that they had rebellion attempts in the past
We have some drawbacks:
- We just blew them up
- We're destroying the historical borders of Hungary
So the situation has basically nothing in common in either direction. Unless you think reactionary thought is in the blood, this isn't really an argument.
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we can though, we are not in a place of exhoustion, we are strong and able to continue pushing
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I did not say or mean to say that Hungarians are inherently reactionary people and I apologize if I seemed to imply that. Of course, no national or ethnic group is inherently reactionary. The question here is would a Hungarian revolutionary sister republic established by the Allies here in this timeline be stable without constant continuous support from Germany? That is my question here.
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The open question is what continuing from here gains us and what it costs us. If we dismantle the Austrians and humble the Russians now, we end the war as the undisputed continental hegemon, have all the time in the world to prepare to similarly embarrass the western empires, and have a huge project of building democracy in the Balkans from scratch. Continuing until we can liberate everything west of Pskov or something means we'll have bigger commitments, fewer resources and living soldiers, and a shorter time before Napoleon and Victoria's mummified body decide we need to get taken down a peg. I think it's doable, to be sure, but I'm thinking deleting one Empire per war may be more long-term effective.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Cheers to the developers!
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I mean, Queen Victoria isn't dead. Yet.
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We can fix that (by giving her a heart attack over the number of inbred dipshits showing up to crash on her couch).
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Balmoral is quite large, we shall have to up our export of inbred dipshits accordingly.
She will just expand the Royal budget to buy more gold and Ruby encrusted couches for them to sleep on is the likely outcome.
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Ugh, our generals should have improvised and surrounded Budapest and gone around it. Well I hope we understand industrial urban warfare well enough now to know to avoid it next time.
If fighting should continue:
I think we might be able to get significantly more territory with opportunistic attacks and avoiding major engagements. It would help the peace and not cost us too much. The League must be in total disarray, there must be gaps!
We should leave it to our generals to mostly plan the next stage in reaction to what they see on the ground.
If fighting should continue:
I think we might be able to get significantly more territory with opportunistic attacks and avoiding major engagements. It would help the peace and not cost us too much. The League must be in total disarray, there must be gaps!
We should leave it to our generals to mostly plan the next stage in reaction to what they see on the ground.