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Oshha said:
If you want to, that would be helpful. I've got full notes for behind the scenes stuff, but separating what you guys knows IC from everything else and then updating a separate location of information is too much for me to keep up. It was viable at the start of the quest, but it is too much for me now that it has grown so complexed so I'll update Gwarlon's character sheet as needed, but I won't be doing much beyond that.

If you do compile a list of information for the players, I will point out any errors or inaccurate information (if you know that it is inaccurate).
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Alright, it will probably be pretty bad and I'm not at my computer right now so it might take a few hours, but I'll give it a shot.
 
Umi-san said:
@Oshha How old is Cadyl?

Gwarlon + Bronwyn = Seryn, Gwyn, Arwyn, Eulyn, Terwyn, Morwyn, Cadyl.
You convince Seryn that while it is okay to be proud of what you can do, it is important that you can actually do what you are proud of lest your words exceed your actions.

With Gwyn, you tell the girl stories of your old hunts and take her on trips into the wilderness on the outskirts of the village. While the girl is still very wary of the world, your tales of glory have convinced her to face her fears rather than hide from them.

When it comes to Arwyn, you decide to cut off her deviousness and trickery before it becomes a problem when she gets older. Gently guiding her, you are able to redirect her sharp mind from tricking others for selfish gain to the working towards the betterment of others. While your daughter still has a sharp and active mind, she uses her cunning to help others and not hurt them.

Eulyn looks set to grow up to be a real benefit to the world as the girl is a kind, helpful girl who likes to lead others. And furthermore, she takes your lessons of guidance you give to her and your sisters to heart and you notice her trying to the same with the other kids of the village.

Terwyn and Morwyn turn out more troublesome than their sisters, the especially the latter. Both of them are rather judgemental towards others, but Terwyn is generally willing to pay attention to things and shows kindness to others while Morwyn is whimsical and takes pleasure in gaining at the expense of others.

Getting Terwyn to be fairer and more forgiving in her stances towards others is easy as the little lass is easily able to grasp the bigger picture. Morwyn is far more unwilling to change, but you eventually get through to her by pointing out that she cannot judge others if she is no better than herself. While it doesn't prevent her from judgemental towards others, it does make her get her own act together if only so she can look down on others who are not as good as her.
Terwyn + Vardyn = Aeryn, Bryn, Myrlin
Aeryn, named in honour of their aunt's fallen friend, has a cat tail and blue cat eyes while the other daughter, Bryn the tail and ears of a cat. The son, Myrlin, has both the tail and ears along with the eyes and fangs like each of your daughters do. As for what else they may have inherited, it is too early to tell.
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@Raichu1972
 
Raichu1972 said:
I was going to focus on those who were spirits, but considering all of our daughters are going to be spirits next turn I guess I might as well get a head start.
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Not all of them. Morwyn isn't going to become a spirit due to only have another sacrifices for four Ascensions and Seryn's opinion of Morwyn being that 'she is such a bitch'.
 
Sooo best I can tell, assuming I'm not missing anything... Here's the updated who's who. Skipping Cyandor guy because he's dead and is a non-issue now, most likely.
Bronwyn has:
Aspect of Beauty
Aspect of Love
Kitten Daughters (shared with Gwarlon)
Aspect of crafting/Clay? Probably her next buy unless she moves in a different direction.

Seryn has:
Goddess of Feminity (Tier 3?)
Goddess of Beauty (Tier 3?)
Goddess of War (Tier 3?)
Aspect of Lightning
Spirit of the Wildcat (Tier 2)
Spirit of Vigor
Kitten Daughter (free Aspect of Wildcat)

Isorine has:
Spirit of Water?
????
Lynellt had:
Aspect of Light
Aspect of Law?

Elairamur had:
Aspect of Darkness
Aspect of Chaos?

And last but not least the Blawainish spirit Orcante.
Aspect of Earth
Aspect of The Farmer
Aspect of magic?
 
Zaealix said:
Sooo best I can tell, assuming I'm not missing anything... Here's the updated who's who. Skipping Cyandor guy because he's dead and is a non-issue now, most likely.
Bronwyn has:
Aspect of Beauty
Aspect of Love
Kitten Daughters (shared with Gwarlon)
Aspect of crafting/Clay? Probably her next buy unless she moves in a different direction.

Seryn has:
Goddess of Feminity (Tier 3?)
Goddess of Beauty (Tier 3?)
Goddess of War (Tier 3?)
Aspect of Lightning
Spirit of the Wildcat (Tier 2)
Spirit of Vigor
Kitten Daughter (free Aspect of Wildcat)

Isorine has:
Spirit of Water?
????
Lynellt had:
Aspect of Light
Aspect of Law?

Elairamur had:
Aspect of Darkness
Aspect of Chaos?

And last but not least the Blawainish spirit Orcante.
Aspect of Earth
Aspect of The Farmer
Aspect of magic?
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Huh, seems like you beat me to it.

I made a google doc, so if you want I can invite you to it whenever I get back to my computer.

I can do the same for you if you want @Oshha
 
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You know, Evatine is the most uni-sex in his Aspects from our pantheon... And also the only genius, so maybe genius won't be a "male" thing, but a family thing? As in, he is kinda our brother, and the other two are our son and grandson... So maybe it will transform into something like the ancient egypt, where pharaohs were thought to be all sons of the sun god. In our society it could become something like "you're a genius, thus you have spirit blood, ohh blessed child!"

Also, I find it really bad how the only male trait to balance the female ones is fatherhood... I mean, woman warriors, woman mages, and the trend is to increase the polarization... It might come a time when it is expected for a man to become a woman if he wants to grow. This could change so many things that I can't even begin to list them .-.
 
That's what happens when your most powerful deity is a strong-willed, martially-inclined, eighteen-year-old woman who offers potent benefits at the price of femininity.
 
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Oshha said:
With the women, yes and with the men, possibly . It might continue down that path, but it isn't set in stone yet unlike with women being strong and beautiful warriors due Seryn's existence.

Another bit of related trivia, you got your society's concept of female beauty from Bronwyn's appearance as she got rolled up with the Beautiful trait. And I used a random generator for her appearance and I got white hair, brown eyes, very tall and busty build. I rolled a different result such as a petite build, your concept of beauty would have been very different. Since then, Seryn has shaped female beauty further by associating it with strength and toughness, giving your society an image of a beautiful woman as a tall, strong and buxom, making your ideal feminine beauty as 'Curvy Amazon'.



He has had it from the beginning and it is the reason that he invented the ritual and has been focused on innovation.
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The Amazonian look is pretty typical of hunter-gatherer society though, so it never drew question. Tall, and buxom are markers for having a stable food supply, being Built indicates they are useful.

The slim pale beauty look tended to arise in more stable and settled society where a marker of success is the ability to afford for your womenfolk not to need to do work.

It might actually reverse down the line once being tall, broad and buxom becomes the standard, since its no longer an exceptional quality to pick mates for...but probably not while the blessing is still being actively handed out to make it a prestigious status.
 
veekie said:
The Amazonian look is pretty typical of hunter-gatherer society though, so it never drew question. Tall, and buxom are markers for having a stable food supply, being Built indicates they are useful.

The slim pale beauty look tended to arise in more stable and settled society where a marker of success is the ability to afford for your womenfolk not to need to do work.

It might actually reverse down the line once being tall, broad and buxom becomes the standard, since its no longer an exceptional quality to pick mates for...but probably not while the blessing is still being actively handed out to make it a prestigious status.
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I don't think it will work like that, if only because the ...Exemplar of Into the Amber Age from which these quests spring suggests that technological development...Isn't typically how societies advance? Like Tech is 100% spirit-powered.
So what I think will happen is that overtime, tall broad and buxom will become common, but ultimately still be 'lesser' then then the active blessing. If not actually physically lesser then it will boil down to some of the subtle perks that come with the blessing-Like as was mentioned in Aeryn's PoV interlude-clothing she wears re-shapes itself to be visually appealing and form-fitting as a result.
I think that basically our QM Osha threw out the lineage/human+ race systems out in favor of blessings that spirits can easily apply to their followers, once they figure out how to do something that will actually stick, as Seryn has. From what I can tell it's as simple as doing a more focused blessing beyond basic spirit inspiration or healing or harvests. Like those are the basics and from there you start to gain more focused aspects that let you wield greater power in exchange for working within those portfolios. But there's also the matter of application!
Cath Wyrs is what I'd call reinforcement-based on the idea of applying an Aspect's blessing to work in a passive manner- Our example of Cath Wyrs, built from The Gift of The Mighty Body, imbues the Aspects of Beauty, Feminity, Wildcats, and War upon the mortal.
The Second application, and this doesn't really have precedent in the prior Amber Age quests, is Ymar, or mages. Here, the blessing seems to be more about granting a reserve of energy that can be Actively used for creating/manipulating the Aspect in question.
This leads me to wonder about Shrines. We have yet to see anyone do anything truly clever with Shrines as of yet, although we may begin seeing such results from the Idol of Elairamur.
 
Zaealix said:
I don't think it will work like that, if only because the ...Exemplar of Into the Amber Age from which these quests spring suggests that technological development...Isn't typically how societies advance? Like Tech is 100% spirit-powered.
So what I think will happen is that overtime, tall broad and buxom will become common, but ultimately still be 'lesser' then then the active blessing. If not actually physically lesser then it will boil down to some of the subtle perks that come with the blessing-Like as was mentioned in Aeryn's PoV interlude-clothing she wears re-shapes itself to be visually appealing and form-fitting as a result.
I think that basically our QM Osha threw out the lineage/human+ race systems out in favor of blessings that spirits can easily apply to their followers, once they figure out how to do something that will actually stick, as Seryn has. From what I can tell it's as simple as doing a more focused blessing beyond basic spirit inspiration or healing or harvests. Like those are the basics and from there you start to gain more focused aspects that let you wield greater power in exchange for working within those portfolios. But there's also the matter of application!
Cath Wyrs is what I'd call reinforcement-based on the idea of applying an Aspect's blessing to work in a passive manner- Our example of Cath Wyrs, built from The Gift of The Mighty Body, imbues the Aspects of Beauty, Feminity, Wildcats, and War upon the mortal.
The Second application, and this doesn't really have precedent in the prior Amber Age quests, is Ymar, or mages. Here, the blessing seems to be more about granting a reserve of energy that can be Actively used for creating/manipulating the Aspect in question.
This leads me to wonder about Shrines. We have yet to see anyone do anything truly clever with Shrines as of yet, although we may begin seeing such results from the Idol of Elairamur.
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I don't think the magedom works like that, it's been noted that people already have spiritual energy, it's what we collect in sacrifices, for example, the mage blessing is more giving the ability to work this energy than the energy itself.
 
Oshha said:
Gwarlon has never had a problem with women being warriors, however, Gwarlon did have a dislike for the Gift of the Mighty Body turning fathers into women because then they wouldn't be fathers.
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so to recap at coming of age all women are blessed into a catgirl and the rebels are sacrificed
right? the wording confused me a bit in that chapter
 
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Metrux said:
Also, I find it really bad how the only male trait to balance the female ones is fatherhood... I mean, woman warriors, woman mages, and the trend is to increase the polarization... It might come a time when it is expected for a man to become a woman if he wants to grow. This could change so many things that I can't even begin to list them .-.
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It will mainly be limited to physically demanding and/or violent tasks due to the fact that Seryn's blessings does make one unarguably better suited for those tasks. For example, it is now required in your villages to take Seryn's blessing, usually the Gift of the Mighty Body, to become a warrior or hunter because anyone who takes is overwhelmingly superior to someone who doesn't.

As for the mages, that only applies to Lightning Mages. Other types of magic don't require Seryn's magic to unlock and are actually impossible to unlock with Seryn's blessing.

But yes, it will have major changes to what normally happens in history due to war being a feminine activity rather than masculine and women being the physical stronger gender.

Umi-san said:
That's what happens when your most powerful deity is a strong-willed, martially-inclined, eighteen-year-old woman who offers potent benefits at the price of femininity.
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Definitely true.

veekie said:
The Amazonian look is pretty typical of hunter-gatherer society though, so it never drew question. Tall, and buxom are markers for having a stable food supply, being Built indicates they are useful.

The slim pale beauty look tended to arise in more stable and settled society where a marker of success is the ability to afford for your womenfolk not to need to do work.

It might actually reverse down the line once being tall, broad and buxom becomes the standard, since its no longer an exceptional quality to pick mates for...but probably not while the blessing is still being actively handed out to make it a prestigious status.
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It is unlikely to reverse. Beauty is tied to what Beauty Spirits like Bronwyn and Seryn look like. With feminine beauty, it is tied specifically to Seryn, who is tall, muscular and buxom. As long as she and her worship exists, Seryn's appearance of tall, strong and buxom will be the standard for feminine beauty.

While in a RL society or at least a society without an active Goddess of Beauty, standards of beauty might change due to social changes, here, it is tied to Seryn. To expand on the matter, you won't be seeing the mortal standard of beauty changing and in turn influencing the appearance of Seryn, but rather the reverse of Seryn's appearance influencing and changing the mortal standards of feminine beauty, which is already in the process of happening.

Because of this, even if women being beautiful is the norm (which is something that Seryn wants to happen), the standard of feminine beauty won't change as long as Seryn and her followers are around to enforce the old standard. Folks will still look for a beautiful woman to marry, but rather than it being something to look out for, it will be a default trait that you will expect a woman to have as the norm. Like how you expect a woman to not be crippled or to be fertile.

So the beauty standard will remain the same, but rather than being something to look out for, you just expect it to be there by default.

Zaealix said:
So what I think will happen is that overtime, tall broad and buxom will become common, but ultimately still be 'lesser' then then the active blessing. If not actually physically lesser then it will boil down to some of the subtle perks that come with the blessing-Like as was mentioned in Aeryn's PoV interlude-clothing she wears re-shapes itself to be visually appealing and form-fitting as a result.
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Also this. Even if tall, muscular and buxom becomes the normal appearance amongst women, Seryn's blessing will still be desired for the minor supernatural bonuses that you can't mundanely get.

Zaealix said:
I think that basically our QM Osha threw out the lineage/human+ race systems out in favor of blessings that spirits can easily apply to their followers, once they figure out how to do something that will actually stick, as Seryn has. From what I can tell it's as simple as doing a more focused blessing beyond basic spirit inspiration or healing or harvests. Like those are the basics and from there you start to gain more focused aspects that let you wield greater power in exchange for working within those portfolios. But there's also the matter of application!
Cath Wyrs is what I'd call reinforcement-based on the idea of applying an Aspect's blessing to work in a passive manner- Our example of Cath Wyrs, built from The Gift of The Mighty Body, imbues the Aspects of Beauty, Feminity, Wildcats, and War upon the mortal.
The Second application, and this doesn't really have precedent in the prior Amber Age quests, is Ymar, or mages. Here, the blessing seems to be more about granting a reserve of energy that can be Actively used for creating/manipulating the Aspect in question.
This leads me to wonder about Shrines. We have yet to see anyone do anything truly clever with Shrines as of yet, although we may begin seeing such results from the Idol of Elairamur.
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Lineage/human+ race systems?

Otherwise, it is correct that stronger that a spirit becomes, they also become more focused. While this results in more depth and power, they are also more limited.

Also doing non-generic blessings requires certain Aspects to work with. Seryn has a large amount to work with while Evatine has a some even he can only use his Myrymar-creation and iron spear blessings at the moment. Gwarlon and Isorine both have their respective mage-creation blessings while Bronwyn has the ability to make people fall in love.

Shrines won't do anything clever. They are just there to act as the spiritual core/body of a spirit and expand their influence within a certain area, usually a settlement such as a village.

Warlord D Thoran said:
so to recap at coming of age all women are blessed into a catgirl and the rebels are sacrificed
right? the wording confused me a bit in that chapter
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The blessing being used is described below.
Oshha said:
It is a low level blessing, but permanently so a basic mixture of Beauty and Vigour resulting in good looks and a strong, healthy body which will be stronger and tougher than average with the Femininity guaranteeing success due to being on a woman. Cat features will be optional extras as requested by the person receiving the blessing.
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The rebels (200 of the 800 hundred captured) are being sacrificed turn four of your daughters into spirits (Arwyn, Gwyn, Eulyn and Terwyn).
 
Oshha said:
It will mainly be limited to physically demanding and/or violent tasks due to the fact that Seryn's blessings does make one unarguably better suited for those tasks. For example, it is now required in your villages to take Seryn's blessing, usually the Gift of the Mighty Body, to become a warrior or hunter because anyone who takes is overwhelmingly superior to someone who doesn't.

As for the mages, that only applies to Lightning Mages. Other types of magic don't require Seryn's magic to unlock and are actually impossible to unlock with Seryn's blessing.

But yes, it will have major changes to what normally happens in history due to war being a feminine activity rather than masculine and women being the physical stronger gender.



Definitely true.



It is unlikely to reverse. Beauty is tied to what Beauty Spirits like Bronwyn and Seryn look like. With feminine beauty, it is tied specifically to Seryn, who is tall, muscular and buxom. As long as she and her worship exists, Seryn's appearance of tall, strong and buxom will be the standard for feminine beauty.

While in a RL society or at least a society without an active Goddess of Beauty, standards of beauty might change due to social changes, here, it is tied to Seryn. To expand on the matter, you won't be seeing the mortal standard of beauty changing and in turn influencing the appearance of Seryn, but rather the reverse of Seryn's appearance influencing and changing the mortal standards of feminine beauty, which is already in the process of happening.

Because of this, even if women being beautiful is the norm (which is something that Seryn wants to happen), the standard of feminine beauty won't change as long as Seryn and her followers are around to enforce the old standard. Folks will still look for a beautiful woman to marry, but rather than it being something to look out for, it will be a default trait that you will expect a woman to have as the norm. Like how you expect a woman to not be crippled or to be fertile.

So the beauty standard will remain the same, but rather than being something to look out for, you just expect it to be there by default.



Also this. Even if tall, muscular and buxom becomes the normal appearance amongst women, Seryn's blessing will still be desired for the minor supernatural bonuses that you can't mundanely get.



Lineage/human+ race systems?

Otherwise, it is correct that stronger that a spirit becomes, they also become more focused. While this results in more depth and power, they are also more limited.

Also doing non-generic blessings requires certain Aspects to work with. Seryn has a large amount to work with while Evatine has a some even he can only use his Myrymar-creation and iron spear blessings at the moment. Gwarlon and Isorine both have their respective mage-creation blessings while Bronwyn has the ability to make people fall in love.

Shrines won't do anything clever. They are just there to act as the spiritual core/body of a spirit and expand their influence within a certain area, usually a settlement such as a village.


The blessing being used is described below.

The rebels (200 of the 800 hundred captured) are being sacrificed turn four of your daughters into spirits (Arwyn, Gwyn, Eulyn and Terwyn).
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I had a little doubt now, but would converting our son into a spirit cost the same as the daughters? I mean, they already inherited the wildcat aspect, so maybe it's diferent from him... Also, how was our grandson born with earth magic if neither of his parents had it? Is it some kind of non-blood lineage or something natural that people can be born with?
 
Metrux said:
I had a little doubt now, but would converting our son into a spirit cost the same as the daughters? I mean, they already inherited the wildcat aspect, so maybe it's diferent from him... Also, how was our grandson born with earth magic if neither of his parents had it? Is it some kind of non-blood lineage or something natural that people can be born with?
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Cadyl would cost about the same, but he does not want to ascend right now. He wouldn't mind getting certain boosts from sacrifice rituals, but he wants to say mortal for the time being.

Myrlin got Earth Magic due to inheriting from his parents, both of whom had it from receiving a permanent blessing from Gwarlon. His sisters also inherited Earth Magic.
 
Oshha said:
Cadyl would cost about the same, but he does not want to ascend right now. He wouldn't mind getting certain boosts from sacrifice rituals, but he wants to say mortal for the time being.

Myrlin got Earth Magic due to inheriting from his parents, both of whom had it from receiving a permanent blessing from Gwarlon. His sisters also inherited Earth Magic.
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That's... Unexpected. I don't remember them receiving earth magic. Can anyone post a quote of it?
 
Metrux said:
That's... Unexpected. I don't remember them receiving earth magic. Can anyone post a quote of it?
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Here is Terwyn and Vardyn getting blessed after you got your Aspect of Earth so it would have been included in a permanent blessing like this.
Oshha said:
The cycle looked it would be another good one with you decide to empower both Vardyn and Terwyn to act as your mortal representatives. You considered marrying Terwyn to Vardyn if you could, but in the end, you decide to just empower both of them.
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And here is Myrlin noting in the latest interlude that he was born with his Earth Magic.
Oshha said:
Given how he was born with his Earth Magic, Myrlin has no clue what the answer might be.
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Oshha said:
Here is Terwyn and Vardyn getting blessed after you got your Aspect of Earth so it would have been included in a permanent blessing like this.


And here is Myrlin noting in the latest interlude that he was born with his Earth Magic.
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Yeah, I knew he was born, I just didn't notice his parents had earth magic. Does this means that sons and daughters of mages will always be mages?
 
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