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Ship of Fools: A Taylor Varga Omake (Complete)
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I believe I've seen that idea multiple times actually. At least once was in a HP or Naruto crossover I believe. I can't think of any of the names right now, I'll have to think about it.
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I know it happened here. It wasn't SGC that did it though. Rather it was Harry Potter who have access to Ancient Tech.
Oma's Choice Chapter 34, a Harry Potter + Stargate: Atlantis Crossover fanfic | FanFiction in the middle of this chapter
Also I think it happened in these too but it's been forever since I last read them so no promises.
Last Ancient Chapter 1: Prologue, a Harry Potter + Stargate: Atlantis Crossover fanfic | FanFiction
Fighting the Gods Chapter 1: Kel'ac, a Stargate: SG-1 + Harry Potter Crossover fanfic | FanFiction
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Why did I get Dark Souls vibes when the ancient walked towards the camp fire.
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Troy Guffey
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I really HATE those "age impossibly fast" when people go off whatever has been keeping them young. Really, it would have just been keeping them from aging. They should resume NORMAL aging!
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I don't generally mind the idea that over the centuries/millennia a host would accumulate various ailments/damages that a gua'uld symbiote can keep in check but a sarcophagus can't fix, and that it would fuck them up right quick without that. What I do mind is that said ailments/damages are just represented as getting old in timelapse. It would ironically be both more reasonable and cheaper on the effects department to just have an instant medical emergency.
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Considering the Ascended BS, I've always assumed there may be a mystical reason for the former host suddenly aging to an fatally extreme degree. After all, when this happens in movies, tv, and novels it usually is the result of some sort of life extending magic being negated.
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When I'm in a mood to try and justify the BS writers sometimes come up with and this topic pops up I usually base the reason they seem to age quickly on that the cells in their bodies have been artificially kept young and healthy looking, but have in fact been aging and probably died long ago.
Thus when the bullshitium that sustained their appearance and function stops working or is drained away the cells merely return to their natural appearance, which is akin to dust or at least desicated tissue and bones.
This doesn't cover why hair turns white, as such material isn't alive, and a few other things that I've seen in some such scenes but it's the most "reality" based explanation I've come up with.
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In the defense of the show, the accelerated aging was over the course of many hours, and not visible as a time-lapsed effect on screen; the guy just looked older and more worn down with each appearance on screen.
Plus, much of the effect was caused, allegedly, by toxins released by the dying symbiote. So, he wasn't just aging quickly; he was being corroded from the inside out as well.
Perhaps he could have survived for a while if the symbiote was safely removed. However, one of the other side effects of long term possession is a compromised immune system. Without the symbiote, the common cold or an opportunistic infection would kill him, quickly.
So, like I said, he was a corpus, but just didn't know it yet.
Plus, much of the effect was caused, allegedly, by toxins released by the dying symbiote. So, he wasn't just aging quickly; he was being corroded from the inside out as well.
Perhaps he could have survived for a while if the symbiote was safely removed. However, one of the other side effects of long term possession is a compromised immune system. Without the symbiote, the common cold or an opportunistic infection would kill him, quickly.
So, like I said, he was a corpus, but just didn't know it yet.
Troy Guffey
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That doesn't work at all for sciencefictional anti-agathics. If your body dies cellularly, you die.
Actually, there seem to be two classes: Anti-agathic, and re-animation.
IIRC, Death Becomes Her is supposedly a SF method, but it's a re-animation. (Much to their surprise)
Magic is magic, it can work any way it wants. But most keep the body alive and fine.
Buffy vampires work with totally dead bodies, but they're demonically animated. (Demons from Hell, not Varga-types)
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It's true immortality, until you manage to get yourself a fatal injury. But the movie never claimed the potion to be anything other then a mystical immortality elixir. Actually, it never bothered explaining how the elixir works. Just that if you take it and you're alive, you regain your youth and stay young forever. But if you get a fatal injury, you're now a walking talking corpse and will decompose to an extent. Thus why the two central characters try to force the mortician love interest into taking the elixir. Then have to stick with each other to keep touching up their spray paint job (after finding out his secret).
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Not to mention that being trapped inside a body they can't control, with no access to the outside world...would very quickly drive most insane. Think of the horror stories you've seen of people tortured by extended periods inside a Sensory Deprivation Tank.
Not to mention the horror of being stuck as a witness to all the atrocities that Go'aould committed. The only two realistic outcomes for that host's psyche are...
1. They quickly become a gibbering wreck. In which case, death is a mercy.
2. They quickly become a psychopathic monster to match the Snake. In which case, death is a preventative measure to stop more monstrosity.
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I remember at least one of the fics he's talking about...and I can't remember the title of any of them either. EDIT: Turns out it was an XCom fic, but that's already been mentioned in another comment
If it's the one I'm thinking of, this "stealing" wasn't a major plot point, more of an aside.
On the technical side, with an established space presence (or access to an ally that has one)...deflecting even a large asteroid would be possible unless left to the last possible second.
It's what made Armageddon such a nail biter. If the NASA Geek hadn't said "We have x days to save the earth"...if it had been more like "We have x months to save the earth", and we had any way to get there...a carefully calculated, umm, NUDGE (explosion) in the right direction would change the trajectory. The beauty of this is, the further out you do it, the smaller of a NUDGE you need. The PROBLEM is, the further out it is, the harder it is to get to.
It's also what made "Deep Impact" much less probable to me...they had a year (or so) of lead time? Get there & give it a nudge. You have the time & resources.
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'Nudging' an extinction level event impactor is NOT as easy as Hollywood makes it seem. Right now, with current technology, we could probably prevent a 5km asteroid or comet from impacting the planet... given 20-25 YEARS of lead time, global co-operation and an unlimited budget.
You can't just throw a bunch of nukes at it and hope to reduce it to harmless vapor because if it's a solid chunk of rock or metal, you have to do a surface detonation to impart any meaningful ∆v to it. Space, being empty, doesn't transmit pressure waves, and considering the intercept velocities involved pinpoint terminal guidance may be tricky.
If it's the much more likely comet or rubble pile, said surface detonation will just shatter and scatter it slightly. Instead of one big rock, you now have several hundred medium rocks covering a much wider orbital interception path.
A proper analogy would be trying to physically shove a moving car on the freeway into the next lane, using only the force of shooting bullets at it.
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A surface detonation on a large rocky/metallic body would in fact impart a measurable change in velocity, and given sufficient lead time a small nudge will be enough. Remember, small fragments will either burn up or bounce off the atmosphere, depending on their speed and angle of entry, so anything under a meter across is a non-issue. How much lead time varies based on the size of the object and it's own velocity, of course.
For an icy object, like a comet, a near detonation will, by radiant heat alone, generate a measurable change in velocity due to the reaction forces from part of the surface vaporizing and thus pushing the object away from the point of detonation.
The hard part is that you would need to plan the intercept several months in advance, minimum. However, at twice lunar orbital distances, even a few degrees of change in the trajectory of a large object can make the difference between hitting Earth or missing.
For an icy object, like a comet, a near detonation will, by radiant heat alone, generate a measurable change in velocity due to the reaction forces from part of the surface vaporizing and thus pushing the object away from the point of detonation.
The hard part is that you would need to plan the intercept several months in advance, minimum. However, at twice lunar orbital distances, even a few degrees of change in the trajectory of a large object can make the difference between hitting Earth or missing.
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Yep, this is the point I was trying to make. Sorry if the original attempt was ham-handed.
Otherwise, the concept I was trying to impart was something along the lines of what Project Orion was based upon. Creating thrust by nuclear detonation...basically a shaped and directed charge creating thrust. We're not trying to blow it up, we're trying to push it (in a specific direction) to create a "near-miss" (or maybe not so near, if we get enough lead-time). So the more of that explosion that is "directed" in the correct direction, the more efficient its use.
In the words of (character) Ronald Quincy from Armageddon...
Ronald Quincy : [holds out his hand] Imagine a firecracker in the palm of your hand. You set it off, what happens? You burn your hand, right? You close your fist around the same firecracker,
[clenches his hand into a fist]
Ronald Quincy : and set it off. Your wife's gonna be opening your ketchup bottles the rest of your life.
Well...instead of a surface detonation (which he says is fairly pointless)...or a directed charge INTO the asteroid/comet/whatever (to split it, and create a "near miss" by...theoretically...only two large fragments,
...Direct that charge outward...and create a near-miss for the whole thing. Of course, you need time (months, at BEST) for that subjectively tiny "nudge" to effect a sufficient trajectory change on such a massive object.
Of course, if you wait until it's as close as the moon then creating that near miss is nigh-on impossible. But that's what built the suspense in Armageddon. No TIME.
...and blew any chance of realism for Deep impact. PLENTY of time.
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If you have a years lead time and the tech of today we could slap together a hundred nukes capable of detonating near the surface of the asteroid and have the capability to shift course slightly on the way there. Commercial of the shelf (COTS) space hardware would work wonderfully and commercial launch capacity is enough to launch all of it in about two months.
Two months to build a hundred frames for the nukes (crash design and build program, "your ass is on the line, make it happen"), 2 months to launch it all, 4 months to travel to the destination and 4 months for the asteroid to drift gently off course.
Launching 5 tons to orbit (1 ton nuke+guidance and 4 tons of rocket+propellant) is something most launch systems can do, most could do more than one of them in each launch. Even if it turns out that you want to get there quicker and double the propellant load most launch systems could still carry it all to orbit easily.
If each nuke just imparted 1cm/s velocity change it would probably be enough to shift the course enough to miss the earth. A rubble pile asteroid would react pretty much the same as a solid one in this case as the thrust would be "gentle" enough to not rip it apart. After all, the only thing to actually hit the asteroid would be heat, radiation and some diffuse plasma since there are no shockwaves in space.
Two months to build a hundred frames for the nukes (crash design and build program, "your ass is on the line, make it happen"), 2 months to launch it all, 4 months to travel to the destination and 4 months for the asteroid to drift gently off course.
Launching 5 tons to orbit (1 ton nuke+guidance and 4 tons of rocket+propellant) is something most launch systems can do, most could do more than one of them in each launch. Even if it turns out that you want to get there quicker and double the propellant load most launch systems could still carry it all to orbit easily.
If each nuke just imparted 1cm/s velocity change it would probably be enough to shift the course enough to miss the earth. A rubble pile asteroid would react pretty much the same as a solid one in this case as the thrust would be "gentle" enough to not rip it apart. After all, the only thing to actually hit the asteroid would be heat, radiation and some diffuse plasma since there are no shockwaves in space.
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You have to break a few eggs... or in lizarding terms, eat a few eggs. But in all seriousness, a little radioactive material falling into the sea from a botched launch is still a world better than extinction.
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You say that now, but will you maintain that stance when an annoyed Gojira is stomping around and flattening cities due to you nuking her home?
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Between "incidents" involving Nuclear Subs and Unwise Disposal of unwanted materials, lots of radioactive materials have made it into the oceans over the last century. If Gojira's noticed, he's being remarkably chill about it. (After all, he EATS radiation. A sunken sub would be a filling meal for the big guy...)
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Why do you think The Family have started to show up? Obviously they're trying to placate Gojira by investigating what is going on.
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Ok, this. Why has nobody written up an omake where we see the Japanese reaction to Kaiju? People running around screaming Gojira would be hilarious, especially if the Family has to respond and clarify that no, they are not from that branch of the lizarding world.
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What's left of Japan?Ok, this. Why has nobody written up an omake where we see the Japanese reaction to Kaiju? People running around screaming Gojira would be hilarious, especially if the Family has to respond and clarify that no, they are not from that branch of the lizarding world.