Ship of Fools: A Taylor Varga Omake (Complete)

As for yield-to-weight, you'll find that the nuclear device makes up a negligible portion of the propulsion unit. A 1 ton unit is going to use a device with yield about 5 kt, less than 100 kilograms. The PNRs had a ridiculously low yield-to-weight, in part because they used a lead tamper instead of a fissile U tamper, which isn't a issue here, but it's ridiculously easy to make a nuclear device with far higher yield for only 150 kg.
For that matter, TV!Leet's right there, and he designed a 5kt fusion charge that weighs...I'm not sure exactly, but I think it was only in the 10-20 kg range, as the propellant for Athena.
 
Speaking practically there're no Single-Stage-To-Orbit ships, and in the short term we're unlikely to get anything but chemical, in the form of SpaceX and their reusable rockets, or, maybe, the Reaction Engines still in development Skylon, using the SABRE engines.

One reason SABRE is interesting, apart from the liquid hydrogen/oxygen engine (exhaust is water), is that it doesn't use expensive aerospace metals - instead a liquid helium heat pump, cooled by the liquid hydrogen. Means can take-off from a runway, be air-burning, and switch to pure rocket when too high for that. The vehicle design is mostly flying hydrogen tank with an engine. This approach is attractive in vehicles not having access to things like Varga'd EDM, and tungsten, for example, costs about forty dollars a kilogram.

So, unless you're in a post-scarcity economy, like Star Trek, with replicators, or have a spare slightly crazy matter-creating lizard, or, maybe, reliable asteroid mining... Approaches like big heat pumps and massive radiators (water cooled?) may be recommended - space isn't that friendly if you're trying to get rid of a lot of waste heat in a hurry...
 
Last edited:
But that's not the point of the Orion.
Relevant: Dyson, F.J. (1968) Interstellar Transport

Orion is decent for landing / takeoff, with caveats. (Ground blast, EMP, fallout.) But it's also the best candidate we have using "proven" tech for a starshot, by a long shot.

You seem to be mainly familiar with the former purpose. A relatively "modest" craft.

I'm talking about the latter. Scale everything up as far as you dare. You've got a large pusher plate, which means that you can use bombs that are pretty close to the practical limit of yield / kg. Your actual delta-v from a single bomb is relatively low, which helps reduce the mass of your dampener. You can target your bombs at the optimum point of trading off effective velocity versus collimation factor.

Overall, your specific impulse is great, but your acceleration is terrible (you eventually become limited by actually getting the bombs to the center quickly enough). It's not that big a deal though; it's still high enough to do a decent powered gravity assist.

TL;DR: If you really wanted high Isp​, you'd properly confine your fusion reaction.
Also relevant: nuclear shaped charges get up to a collimation factor of ~0.5. At a max you're going to get ~2x that value by confining the fusion reaction. This does tend to imply a heavier tungsten disk than I used. (Rough numbers: if you assume that everything but the tungsten is omnidirectional, and the tungsten is unidirectional straight back, you need at least a third the total mass of the bomb to be tungsten. 1/4 of the omnidirectional portion becomes useful thrust due to geometric reasons.)

and a 1000 km/s jet of plasma would have noticeable negative effects on the structural integrity of the ship.
A coronal mass ejection is a jet of plasma that can reach up to ~3200km/s.

What matters here is the density and duration. You need to have a low enough instantaneous energy transfer that you don't seriously ablate the pusher plate, you need to have a low enough energy transfer rate that the surface can conduct heat into the pusher plate, and you need to have a low enough total energy transfer that the pusher plate doesn't melt or lose structural integrity.

A couple of critical factors:

1. Choose a pusher plate with a face that's as high a thermal conductivity as possible. The original design used copper.
2. Use a relatively flat tungsten pusher. Expands to a cigar shape, which reduces the instantaneous shock to the pusher plate.
3. Use an oil spray or somesuch to further reduce ablation.
4. Give the pusher plate time to cool between shots (or use an ablative pusher plate).

Behavior of plasma at those speeds / densities / scales really doesn't match intuition.

Also:

if they wanted to get their propellant to to move faster, all they really need to do is reduce the amount of tungsten remass

This seems to contradict this:

and a 1000 km/s jet of plasma would have noticeable negative effects on the structural integrity of the ship.

What am I missing here?

The real problem is that there's a minimum thickness required for the tungsten disk to adequately protect the ship from radiation (and of course, absorb this radiation so that it's used for propulsion). A wide diameter disk makes the plasma disperse in a bigger arc, but try to throttle Orion to a low thrust, high(er) Isp​ engine and you'll find your plasma jet cuts through your plate instead. Oops.
To an extent. Note that this can be compensated geometrically to some degree. Scale up the diameter of the (hemispherical) pusher plate by 2x and your radiant intensity is quartered. Your mass of pusher plate is quadrupled, and your heat dissipation rate is somewhere between doubled (inside) and quadrupled (outside). Your bomb period need to quarter to retain the same acceleration though, which may not be practical.

As for yield-to-weight, you'll find that the nuclear device makes up a negligible portion of the propulsion unit.
Some ballpark numbers. 6​LiD fusion is, what, 22.4MeV per? So about 64.4 kT TNT/kg. 7​LiD will be somewhat lower.

XW-56X2 Bluestone shot. 1270kT yield, 564lb, or about 4.9 kT TNT / kg.

Let's assume the bomb produced the theoretical max yield. Then >= 7.6% of the total bomb bass is 6​LiD. I wouldn't call that negligible.

In practice the bomb is not going to hit theoretical max yield by a long shot, and hence even more of the bomb mass is 6​LiD.

Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by "propulsion unit" here?
 
Chapter 16: Think about the Future
Chapter 16: Think about the Future

"You've read the books, then?" asked Varga, sitting on his tail in Raptaur form in what appeared to be a homey study lit from a picture window with dappled sunlight.

Harry Dresden was sitting in a comfortable brown leather chair. "Is this room an illusion, or is this all conjured?" he asked.

"A little bit of both, actually. I thought we should be comfortable."

"I was informed by Lisa that this was going to be a planning session, not a therapy session," said the wizard with a certain degree of irritation plain on his face.

Varga smiled slightly. "It is, indeed, but having read the same books, it seemed prudent to give you someplace private to discuss things." Varga took a sip from a very large cup of hot tea.

Harry snorted a short laugh. "It can't be that private when you share head-space with a teenager."

"Taylor is preoccupied with other matters, and we both agree that she doesn't need to know your personal reaction to the path your future might have taken," answered the reptile.

"My personal reaction? My reaction to the fact that not only did I pay Kincaid to help me commit suicide, but it didn't even WORK? How about the fact that by killing off the Red Court, I opened the door to the Fomor and let my friends deal with the fallout for six months while I was dead for tax purposes? Or the fact that killing Maeve makes poor Molly the Winter Lady?" Harry fidgeted in his chair, unsure what to do with his hands.

"Would you like something to drink?" asked Varga.

"No, no thank you," answered Harry.

"Very well. You should also recall that in the months following your death, you defeat the ghost of a former foe, keep Demonreach from exploding and destroying the Midwest, and foil another plot by the Denarians," reminded Varga.

"I'm also apparently pregnant," said Harry rather morosely.

"The healing you received from Ianthe should extend your time before you need to free the Spirit of Intellect in your skull," said Varga. "We also have a chance to correct certain other things before they happen."

"Doesn't that screw with the timeline? I thought that was a big non-starter?" asked Dresden, slightly confused.

Varga shook his head. "What matters, Harry Dresden, is your perspective. You have yet to live the events of future stories about you, so they have not, in a very practical sense for you, happened yet. If we were to go back in time to, say, save Susan Rodriguez from dying, then we would risk your sanity as you tried to reconcile two different realities. If we were to go back and prevent her from being bitten the first time, we might put the existence of your universe at risk...to the point that we would likely face intervention by others to prevent it."

"How are the books written if the events haven't already happened?" asked Harry.

Varga shrugged. "Perhaps they have, in a universe slightly different to your own...one where time moved at a slightly faster pace. Perhaps they are, to a degree, prophetic, but there is little point to prophecy that cannot be changed or challenged."

Harry thought for a moment, and came to the conclusion that regardless of the reasons, he was effectively restricted to the time after his failed attempt at suicide. "We can't do anything about my becoming the Winter Knight. I already bargained with Mab for her help to stop the Red Court. We may be able to help with the Fomor, Corpsetaker, and Maeve. What if changing things make them worse? Nicodemus was going after the Carpenters and Maggie..."

"And this is different from living your life normally in what way? You make choices every day that may have better or worse results. In this case, you simply benefit from having more intelligence about the plans and motives of your enemies, and the specific dangers to be faced by your allies. To be frank, Wizard Dresden, you are at your best when you have time to plan, and most of the worst events in your life came about due to the plots of others. I would suggest you take this unique advantage for what it is," said Varga.

Harry pondered that perspective for a bit. "We can begin acting right after my...accident? I won't have to wait six months while things fall apart?"

Varga gave a toothy grin. "I believe, Wizard Dresden, that we can begin acting well before your attempted assassination. To start with, we have access to resources that are rather unique. We can make you physically stronger and more durable, to the extent where you will have to rely much less on the Winter Mantle for power. You will not be dependent upon Mab's power to heal your broken spine. I also have some rituals in mind that will create some...interesting surprises for some of your foes. I would suggest we wait on those until we can get to Peter Parker's universe to explore our options."

"Peter's universe...what...wait...seriously?" asked Harry incredulously.

Varga simply nodded.

Harry smiled for the first time during the discussion. "Cool!"

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

"So, the way I figure it, I pretty much just have a watch list of potential bad guys and plots to keep in mind," said Peter. He was sitting in the galley of the Ship of Fools with Metis, going over some of the things he had learned from his research with Dragon.

"Yes," said the dark lizard, "you and Jimmy have similar problems in that most of the stories about you are from comic books, which tend to vary widely in continuity and quality."

"Well, some things aren't likely. Aunt May is no longer with us in my world," said Peter with a hint of sadness, "so I don't have to worry about her dating Doc Ock, of all things..."

"I'm surprised at how well you're handling reading about yourself," said Metis. "Spider-Man has had a lot of stories, some rather tragic, written about him." It was fairly obvious to Metis that some of the stories had bothered Peter to an extent, but he was pretending otherwise.

Peter shrugged his shoulders. "You know, after you've been a superhero for a couple of decades, you get used to the weird and unusual. Hell, this isn't even the first time I've gotten sucked into another universe. Although I gotta say that it's a nice change that the local bug-powered teen doesn't need me as a mentor."

'Despite being a superhero, Peter doesn't see himself as a role-model; he blames himself for the bad things that have happened in his life, ignoring the role luck has played, alongside what was likely enemy action.' Out loud, Metis said, "Taylor will have plenty of help here. We will help you, too."

Pete smiled sardonically. "Don't think I don't appreciate it! If you can get me home in time to stop Kingpin from destroying my reality, I'll owe you a favor."

"Getting you home at all depends upon doing it before then, I would think," said Metis with a snicker. "But that's not all we're offering. We also have a more permanent version of the healing symbiote that would give you a significant advantage over your rogues gallery."

Peter winced at the idea of a symbiote. That term didn't sit well in a lot of the stories about Spider-Man. He was definitely looking up Cletus Kasady when he got home. "I'm not sure I really need more superpowers."

Metis shook her head. "We don't strictly need to further boost your strength or senses. I would still take advantage of the immunity to disease and fast healing if I were you." Amy could pretty much dial up or down the effects at will, and would almost certainly start slowly with the crew, just as she had with Danny.

"I would never get another cold?" he asked, thinking idly about Gwen Stacy...the one who never became Spider-Gwen.

"You would not, and we would have one for your wife, as well. Full healthcare for your immediate family is part of the contract you signed," answered Metis.

Peter thought about the idea of MJ being able to tank a hit from somebody like Kingpin and get up again. Not that he wanted her to be in the thick of things, but part of the reason they broke up was that he was worried about her and any kids they might have.

"What if we have kids?" he asked.

"When that happens," she said, pretty sure that it would, "just give us a call. You'll have your BBFO phone."

"What happens if it gets lost or destroyed?" he asked. The life of a superhero was sometimes tough on mobile phones, and MJ already got annoyed with him enough over the regular ones.

"Apart from having a casing made of EDM, Dragon designed them to send out a ping each day. If we get an interruption in the ping for more than a single day, an alarm goes off and we can investigate," explained Metis. "That way, if something awful happens like the Infinity War, we can try to help."

"The Infinity War?" asked Peter with a confused look.

Metis stared at him. "You didn't read the other comic books and summaries from Dragon?"

Peter blushed. He had mostly looked at the ones with his name on them so far. "Not yet. I'll get to them."

"You read your own books first," said the lizard.

"Well, yeah. Wouldn't you?" he asked.

Metis considered the question. "Fair enough. Just make sure you look at the others before we take you home."

"I will," he answered quickly. "Just out of curiosity, what are the books from Jimmy's world like?"

"Similar to yours in some ways. Some of them are slightly more colorful," said Metis thoughtfully.

Peter looked at her, interested. "Tell me more, please?"

Metis smirked. "Well, there is one series named, Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen..."

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Daniel sat in the BBFO office, looking over his notes. He had taken detailed notes on not just the important locations and events, but the circumstances leading up to them. Not all of the details were available in the shows, and he couldn't depend on it being completely accurate. There were enough small details that were different from his memories to make him cautious, though part of him wished it had been wildly inaccurate. The actress they had gotten to play Sha're was close enough that he couldn't watch most of those episodes. He simply made due with Dragon's summaries.

There was a lot to remember. The Ori. The Trust. What happened to Janet. Baal. Atlantis. The Lucian Alliance. The Destiny. The Wraith. Getting trapped in a time dilation field on board the Odyssey after the death of the Asgard.

"We may be able to do something about that," said a voice behind him.

He jumped and almost slipped out of his chair. "Ianthe, I didn't hear you come in..." he said while he absentmindedly reached to adjust his no-longer-present eyeglasses.

She smiled at him, and said, "We lizards can be sneaky."

He gave a nervous smile in return, then asked, "You may be able to do something about what, exactly?" remembering her first words.

"The Asgard. You were reading quietly to yourself out loud, and the Family also has really good hearing," she explained.

"You think you can help them with their genetic degradation?" Daniel asked hopefully.

"I'm hopeful," said the purple lizard. "I won't know for sure until I've had a chance to examine them, of course, but at a minimum we should be able to provide them with more robust clones as a stopgap measure. I'm fairly good at creating new lifeforms," she said with an undefinable glint in her eye.

"If you can help them, then I know they would be really appreciative, as would I." He knew Jack would be happy to see his buddy Thor get some help, too.

"If the show is at all accurate, then they've been good friends to your planet," said Ianthe. "There's something about their temperament that I think we'll appreciate, as well."

Daniel pondered that. "They...aren't exactly known for their sense of humor..."

"True," said Ianthe with a toothier-than-average grin, "but we in the Family appreciate a race that can keep calm until a line is crossed, at which point the threat is dealt with quickly and finally."

That reminded Daniel of a particular Web comic that Jack enjoyed. "If violence isn't your last resort, then you failed to resort to enough of it?"

"Ooh, where is that from? I think Saurial and her sisters would like that!" said Ianthe happily.

"It's a comic that a good friend of mine was fond of back on my Earth. I can see if they have it here," said Daniel in response.

"Well, if nothing else, I'm sure we can find it when we take you back to your home," said Ianthe philosophically. "I'll make a note of it among all of the other things."

"Other things?" he asked curiously.

Ianthe nodded. "We're making plans, Daniel. There is no point to going through all of this effort to simply leave you in the same bad situation from which you started. That includes more than just resolving your immediate problems."

"My immediate problems involved a bunch of angry ascended beings who were getting ready to punish me by wiping my memories and dumping me on a random planet," said Daniel with a grimace.

The lizard scoffed. "Don't worry Daniel. That group of self-important jellyfish won't be an issue. Saurial has already had some conversations with the tinkers about that."

"You may want to be careful. I can tell you from personal experience that the power available to an ascended being is substantial. What exactly did you intend to do to them?" replied Daniel.

"Tell me, Dr. Jackson," said the lizard, "did your Earth have a movie called Ghostbusters?"

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

"If I'm honest with myself, I don't really want to go back there," said Ellen as she stared out over the bay. The seagulls were flying low, looking for anything edible. The smell of the salt and the sounds of the birds were a soothing balm to her nerves. She was tired of dimly lit corridors filled with nightmares.

Saurial picked up a stone from the edge of the walkway and threw it at the surface of the water. It skipped an improbable number of times across the top before sinking into the depths. "I can understand that. I don't think anybody would be surprised by that, knowing what you've been through. We can simply go back long enough to try and warn Earth of the impending threat, and maybe clean up a few loose ends."

"Loose ends?" asked Ellen, curious about the strange alien lizard's thought processes.

"There is no reason to leave that wreckage on LV-426. It's a deathtrap for the next person who stumbles upon it...and something tells me your bosses aren't going to give up on their insane ideas so easily." One thing that Taylor understood from her life was that once somebody in power makes a decision, they will stick with it no matter how poor the result -- even if it means other people suffer. It was an ego thing.

Ellen laughed bitterly at that. "Sometimes I wonder if my Earth is even worth saving."

"There are an awful lot of people on Earth that have nothing to do with that handful of rich assholes who are willing to risk the end of the world just to make another pile of money," said Saurial. "It's easy to think everybody is the same when you get shit on over an over again by people who are supposed to be responsible authority. Taylor had the same problem on her world." Of course, she had on this one, as well, until Varga arrived.

"I'm sure you're right. Maybe I'm being selfish, but everybody I cared about back there...well, they're already gone," said Ellen evenly. She was too tired to cry anymore.

Another stone skipped out over the water. "There are other options. You've actually got more options than almost anybody in human history in any of our worlds. We could try to find the land of Oz, if you want," joked Saurial.

Ripley rolled her eyes, and replied with a small grin, "thanks, but I've been to Australia." Her grin didn't last long, though. "I don't know what I want to do. After I got rescued," she said with air quotes around the word, "they took away my flight license, discounted my story and kicked me to the curb. I got a job driving a load-lifter just to keep myself busy and fed. It was...mind-numbing. I was running through every day on autopilot until that motherfucker Burke showed up to recruit me to go back. I don't want to go back again...but I don't want to spend the rest of my life on autopilot, either."

"Around here, we try to make sure life is more than just mind-numbing tedium intermixed with gut-churning terror," said the lizard girl. "We of the Family do our best to make the universe our bitch and puzzle the hell out of everybody in our immediate proximity. You're welcome here as long as you want to stay."

Ripley continued to stare out over the bay, but she quietly said, "Thank you."

Out on the water, a small power boat was making its way out toward the ocean, the long, thin bodies of fishing rods clearly visible next to a couple of plastic buckets. Saurial didn't recognize the boater; he looked to be a man in his early twenties -- maybe a college student trying his luck on the weekend. More folks did these days, though the fish hadn't quite come back yet. If he didn't catch anything this time, he might come back later, or he might try somewhere else. She couldn't really fault him either way.
 
Last edited:
"Tell me, Dr. Jackson," said the lizard, "did your Earth have a movie called Ghostbusters?"

Anubis: "Strike me down, if you can. Do it now, or I will destroy Abydos with my PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS."
Ascended Daniel is sucked away. Ship of Fools Daniel steps out from behind the curtain and opens a ghost trap under Anubis.
Daniel: "itty bitty prison space..."
 
With star trek replicators is it some materials are impossible to replicate or replicating them takes more energy/time then it is worth?
 
With star trek replicators is it some materials are impossible to replicate or replicating them takes more energy/time then it is worth?
The latter. Starfleet replicators use a material called, fittingly, 'replicator stock'. It's a mixture of common elements that is easy for replicators to break down and rearrange into the material you're asking for. The more exotic the material, the more work it is for the replicator to create it. Presumably, latinum is a material that is very difficult for replicators to reproduce, given it's use as an exchange medium.

That said, the self-replicating mines Rom built to try to keep the Dominion from getting reinforced from the Gamma Quadrant actually drew matter from zero-point space to replenish their stocks, and could shuffle around reserve stock between mines to keep the minefield intact.
 
The latter. Starfleet replicators use a material called, fittingly, 'replicator stock'. It's a mixture of common elements that is easy for replicators to break down and rearrange into the material you're asking for. The more exotic the material, the more work it is for the replicator to create it. Presumably, latinum is a material that is very difficult for replicators to reproduce, given it's use as an exchange medium.

That said, the self-replicating mines Rom built to try to keep the Dominion from getting reinforced from the Gamma Quadrant actually drew matter from zero-point space to replenish their stocks, and could shuffle around reserve stock between mines to keep the minefield intact.
It's almost as if the writers made them do whatever was convenient for the plot...
 
Question for comic fans:

The DC and Marvel universes have so many variations across multiple media. I have some very specific things in mind for this fanfic. Having said that, I am neither omniscient nor such a huge fan that I can claim to be aware of everything that has happened in both universes.

What are some of the bigger events that might be worthy of attention in the recent past or near future of the universes? I'm perfectly willing to do a little research.
 
What are some of the bigger events that might be worthy of attention in the recent past or near future of the universes? I'm perfectly willing to do a little research.

There are way too many:
Marvel Event Timeline

If you want to focus on Peter's recent life, I would check out:

Spider-Verse, which led into...
Secret Wars - 2015 (AKA Secret Wars 3 or 4 - Revenge of the Return of the Worst Editorially Mandated Crossover Event)
Seriously, I hate this secret wars more than SW2, and that one had a comic where Spider-Man had to teach The Beyonder how to poop (Not a joke). This event is sort-of a Crisis Event for the Marvel-Verse. They were hoping to streamline the whole Marvel-Multiverse in order to make it more friendly to new readers so they picked and chose from all the alternate realities and mashed them together for a new 616 universe.

Dying Wish (AKA The Superior Spider-Man)
Doc Ock takes over Peter's body and is Spider-Man for two fucking years of comics.

One More Day
Widely considered the worst Spider-Man story (after, perhaps, The Clone Saga). Marvel editors prove to be the real villains, as they declare that since marriage makes Peter happy, and Peter is never allowed to be happy (by editorial fiat), Peter's marriage must be erased from the timeline.
 
Parker should blame himself. Instead of getting a job and letting the locals who really aren't doing much but the usual crimes he keeps creating situations where at the end of the day his life gets crappier. Sure he prevents crimes, but only a fraction are world ending.

Helping Asgard.......those bastards have been sticking it to all of the other realms it seems. Stealing their relics.
Watching Hela in the movie universe blow the hell out of Asgard was one of the most satisfying since Thanos snapped his fingers.
 
Marvel/DC? Varga and crew have proof that somewhere out there, ANY story they have ever seen, heard or read is real. The comic worlds at least are decent.
I would be looking at things that need fixing first, like stopping the events of the Stand.

Or, trolling the everloving crap out of twilight.
 
Question for comic fans:

The DC and Marvel universes have so many variations across multiple media. I have some very specific things in mind for this fanfic. Having said that, I am neither omniscient nor such a huge fan that I can claim to be aware of everything that has happened in both universes.

What are some of the bigger events that might be worthy of attention in the recent past or near future of the universes? I'm perfectly willing to do a little research.

I'd suggest you start from Jimmy Olsen and Peter Parker. As suitably modified by your origin date, for each of them, and any edits you've made (this is Peter B. Parker, from the recent film, SM:ItSV). Most relevant stuff to them will come from their viewpoints, not the larger DC and Marvel universes...

Also possibly relevant is the regular 'ret-cons' (reality re-writes) of DC, and the reasonably recent Marvel one, mixed in with the confusions of 'Marvel Time', which doesn't map to real time at all well. The She Hulk comics, quite a long time ago, played with this...

Explaining to Jimmy and Peter that reality in their worlds of origin, from a comics viewpoint, looks... sketchy... Might be a hard sell. For Jimmy graphic novel collections from the Golden/Silver/Bronze Ages of DC might be instructive. Talking to Peter about real world time-lines similarly, even at the level of changing fashions, or maybe tech (used by the general public), given his scientific background.

But, then, I wouldn't call myself a "real comics fan". :)
 
Last edited:
Parker should blame himself. Instead of getting a job and letting the locals who really aren't doing much but the usual crimes he keeps creating situations where at the end of the day his life gets crappier. Sure he prevents crimes, but only a fraction are world ending.

Helping Asgard.......those bastards have been sticking it to all of the other realms it seems. Stealing their relics.
Watching Hela in the movie universe blow the hell out of Asgard was one of the most satisfying since Thanos snapped his fingers.
I do believe the Asgard in question are the Stargate Asgard, not the Marvel ones? The Stargate ones are generally good guys if a bit overworked. As for whether Peter could help out more by doing something else? He has multiple examples that he can't. Of course these are sometimes extremely forced, but Marvel doesn't want there to be another option for him, so there isn't really.
 
If the lizards made both universes perfect, guess where they would start.
I don't know... would the writers of some of our more popular comics actually be able to change their ways even if Kaiju stood behind them tapping her foot?

Edit: Damned autocorrupt!
Edit: and again!
 
Last edited:
You can't make a universe perfect to start with, not and have free will...

And if someone tried to retcon something Taylor and friends set up, they would be peeved. This wouldn't be a good thing for the retconners :evil:

But honestly this is basically why I gave up on comics a long time ago. They chop and change so much and so often that there basically isn't any real continuity these days. Sometimes it's put down as an alternate timeline, even if that doesn't really work in whatever case it is, and sometimes they just change things and pretend they didn't. Keeping track is almost impossible as far as I can see.

At least the movie universes (batman largely excepted) are fairly linear and sensible, inasmuch as events follow a sequence that makes sense from the point of view of the universe in question. The MCU is better at this than the DCU, but either of them are lightyears past the mess that's canon comic lore.

So in my case I just pick and choose parts that I want from whatever source and mash them together. I'm fairly sure that's exactly what the comic writers do too, except I try to make it all fit and don't go back and rewrite things later because I mucked it up :D
 
Last edited:
Back
Top