Seeing Red [Naruto]
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Khona Moshr
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I saw that, but I still think that it can combine well with Fuinjutsu (though why are the bow designs primitive, we see more advanced technology in other places in Naruto) and cover up most of those flaws. If we're using Fuinjutsu we can use touch seals directly on the arrows, so the hands thing shouldn't be as limiting. It can also let us use the Fuinjutsu from farther away which will help against those who would specialize in Taijutsu or weapons.
Stab the Squishy parts isn't bad, but it feels like it'll be pulling us in opposite directions with the focus on physical skills for Kenjutsu and precise chakra control for medical ninjutsu. Yes there's some benefits for it, but I don't think they synergize all that well together (medical knowledge probably won't improve our knowledge of where to strike too much as that sort of stuff is generally already included in training a swordsperson).
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I suppose we should avoid interacting with Sasuke as well when he wakes up according to that logic. Wouldn't want to manipulate him by simply talking to him when we have previous knowledge about him.
That's a potential pitfall, not a guaranteed outlook. But the best way to see someone as more than a caricature or two-dimensional character is to actually introduce yourself and at least try to get to know them.
I don't think choosing to take the initiative and reaching out to the kid is "we must fix everything" either. It's seeing one thing in front of us, that we may be able to help with right now...and choosing to do so. Or not, because you're worried about manipulating someone unduly.
I think you actually give Hisana/us too much credit on their level of influence.
Hisana taking some time to get her shit together I can understand. Maybe I just didn't realize she needed it because she's leaning more towards Mary. On the other hand, she's not freaking out from the crazy ninja world around her so both sets of memories are keeping her from losing her shit in different ways. *shrug*
But the arguments against befriending Naruto that focus on 'don't talk to to the main character just because he's the protagonist/you'll manipulate him/don't try to fix everything' ring hollow to me.
I really don't see it as such. We're not trying to fix everything. Not all at once, anyway. Yes, the possible end of the world is kind of hard to banish from thoughts completely, but this is about what's in front of us and the actions we choose to take now (or not).
Besides, it's not like this will fix everything for Naruto. He'll still not have parents, and a lot of the village won't like him. We can't really do much about that, unfortunately. But Naruto's one kid in our class who we know has it rough. It doesn't matter how we know, we do. We can choose to either act and reach out to him, or not (at least until Sasuke wakes up).
No. My primary reason is because he's a lonely orphan we know about and can actually reach out to. He's right in front of us, after all, and he'll be our classmate for the next several years.
And we can do so without taking a lot of time out of our busy schedule. We are busy, after all...leading a clan and getting strong enough to survive in this world is hard work. But Naruto is a classmate, so we've been presented with an actual chance to reach out to this person.
I can guess, but don't really know how it will affect saving the world, or not. Hisana's mere existence makes stations of canon unreliable at best. Trying to befriend Naruto now may doom us all later. Who knows.
But when presented with the chance to reach out to this kid in front of us, to at least try and offer a hand of friendship to someone who very likely wants one? I want Hisana to choose to offer that hand rather than wait just because she happens to know about a different version of him.
Basically, the future is uncertain at this point. Let's forget any set future and simply try to make the best of our present and hope that leads to something better down the road. To do that I think it's a good idea to reach out to a lonely classmate when we can.
That said, helping out orphans in general is a good idea. We can reach out to Naruto personally because he's in our class (I think he was the only one in his class that didn't have someone show up for them when everyone first got their headbands, implying he's the only orphan in that particular class), but that wouldn't really be practical on a large scale with kids outside of our class. But we don't necessarily need to know them personally or be in their class to help.
Maybe some orphans could use better housing? Or perhaps some of those civilian merchants/tradesmen living on the clan property want kids? That's certainly something we could talk to Hiruzen about, though I hope we have someone to help us coordinate that on the Uchiha side of things (finances, planning, etc.).
I didn't actually guarantee he'd be happier. I hope it works out that way, but he may turn us down. He may turn us down but making the offer might help him in other ways I can't guess at.
But the fact is he's a lonely kid who we know about and have the chance to reach out to. Introducing ourselves is better than doing nothing. That's how I see it, anyway. Call me delusional if you like but it seems that simple to me.
But the vote's over....and before I actually got around to voting. Heh.
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OverReactionGuy
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You fucked up your quoting here.
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Otherwise I'm not going to respond to your comment for the simple reason that the vote is over and I don't feel like getting into a derailing argument at this point in time.
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Also I know how it feels to argue and argue for something but forget to vote for it yourself. We share that absentminded trait.
Precise chakra control synergies with everything and the medical jutsu is more learning how to stop bleeding and stuff, useful things considering if this goes the canon route and we end up in the wave mission with Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto tries to stop the poison by cutting his hand and nearly bleeding out. Which would have happened if he didn't contain the nine tails.
Also medical jutsu equals the study of poison too.
And how to harm the body and knowledge of how much the body can take for torture techniques.
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@OverReactionGuy fixed, thanks.
[] Plan Magic Archer
[] - Fuinjutsu. Seals do all sorts of weird and wonderful shit. You want in.
[] - Kyujustu. Bows and arrows mean fighting at a distance, and that means less exposure to knives and bombs and such.
I want a ninja Green Arrow/Hawkeye, dammit.
[] Plan Magic Archer
[] - Fuinjutsu. Seals do all sorts of weird and wonderful shit. You want in.
[] - Kyujustu. Bows and arrows mean fighting at a distance, and that means less exposure to knives and bombs and such.
I want a ninja Green Arrow/Hawkeye, dammit.
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OverReactionGuy
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You gentlepeople do realize that magic swords aren't a thing in Naruto, right?
The only magical weapons in the series were inherited; fuinjutsu does many things, but making magical weapons is not one of them.
Minato Namikaze, who made a profession out of shanking people with blades, never made any; Orochimaru by his own admission spent time searching for the Sword of Totsuka, and he didn't make the Sword of Kusanagi. Sarutobi used his summon as a weapon instead of creating a staff with his Kage-tier knowledge and resources.
As for Archery, I'm going to point out that there is a reason we see only one archer in the entirety of Naruto, and that was a curse seal user whose very body was modified to take advantage of it.
When even the Hyuuga, who can literally see around corners and through walls, don't use archery? It behooves us to consider that it might be suboptimal for shinobi.
PLAN BE A WIZARD
[x]Fuinjutsu
[x]Medical ninjutsu
In that order. Both of these have synergy with each other, and the Sharingan applies to picking up medical ninjutstu.
If I had to pick one over the other, it would be fuinjutsu though.
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Yog had the same idea, so just renaming my vote as his.
The only magical weapons in the series were inherited; fuinjutsu does many things, but making magical weapons is not one of them.
Minato Namikaze, who made a profession out of shanking people with blades, never made any; Orochimaru by his own admission spent time searching for the Sword of Totsuka, and he didn't make the Sword of Kusanagi. Sarutobi used his summon as a weapon instead of creating a staff with his Kage-tier knowledge and resources.
As for Archery, I'm going to point out that there is a reason we see only one archer in the entirety of Naruto, and that was a curse seal user whose very body was modified to take advantage of it.
When even the Hyuuga, who can literally see around corners and through walls, don't use archery? It behooves us to consider that it might be suboptimal for shinobi.
PLAN BE A WIZARD
[x]Fuinjutsu
[x]Medical ninjutsu
In that order. Both of these have synergy with each other, and the Sharingan applies to picking up medical ninjutstu.
If I had to pick one over the other, it would be fuinjutsu though.
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Yog had the same idea, so just renaming my vote as his.
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OverReactionGuy
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I will admit I have a biased against Fuinjutsu due to the fact that it's always done and almost always used to explain bullshit the author pulls out of thin air.
Which is understandable.
But I will point out that fuinjutsu is IC the single most powerful modality available to shinobi.
This is how they seal bijuu and make jinchuuriki, how they perform complex medical techniques, how they restrict jinchuuriki and so on.
It's even used in combat; besides things like Hiraishin, I will point out that Danzo caught Sasuke with a paralysis seal in their S-class fight.
If he hadn't stopped to monologue, the Sauce would be dead.
Doesn't require a bloodline, or funny eyes, or an inheritance; just intelligence and skill.
People vote for it because it really is that good.
Two last points I'd like to make:
1)Uchiha have eye problems with doujutsu overuse.
Medical jutsu really should be a priority, so that we have some idea of what to do and work on if/when we grow a Mangekyo and start to get eye problems.
We can't rely on Sasuke being willing to swap eyes in the future, even assuming it would work with someone not his brother.
2)Danzo knows fuinjutsu; is a fuinjutsu MASTER.
Danzo likes Sharingan eyes, and collects them; ask Shisui.
Knowing fuinjutsu is a basic survival strategy, especially since we have no idea if we are protected by Itachi's deal with Danzo and Sarutobi.
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OverReactionGuy
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I wasn't even talking about it in quests either. About 80% of the naruto fanfictions I came across, the main character specializes in it. It gets rather boring to me because of that.
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Your votes may be counted separately from the first wizard plan since there's a slight difference in the name.
[] Plan Be a Wizard, which means "be prepared"
*sigh* If magic weapons really aren't likely to be a thing...
Couldn't we come up with different tags for various types of arrows, though? I still want my Green Arrow ninja. We can make archery work!
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Your votes may be counted separately from the first wizard plan since there's a slight difference in the name.
[] Plan Be a Wizard, which means "be prepared"
*sigh* If magic weapons really aren't likely to be a thing...
Couldn't we come up with different tags for various types of arrows, though? I still want my Green Arrow ninja. We can make archery work!
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Like I said, it doesn't require a bloodline, or funny eyes; just skill.
It will always be attractive.
Remember canon?
All three Sannin were seal users; Orochimaru's Curse Seal and Five Elements Seal, Tsunade's Seal of a Hundred, Jiraiya's sealing Amaterasu and Naruto's jinchuuriki form. Kakashi was a seal user: he used Evil Sealing on Sasuke at the Chuunin Exams. Sarutobi used the Four Red Yang barrier seal in cooperation with other Kage. Danzo sealed the tongues of Root users, and used the paralysis seal on Sasuke.
Hell, Itachi used fuinjutsu to set an Amaterasu trap for Tobi that would activate when Sasuke first sees him.
I mean, no one complains that every naruto fanfic has a main character who uses ninjutsu. Or taijutsu.
It's all in how it's depicted.
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I'm not saying it's not useful, it is, it just seems like splitting the focus (and most of what you said is god for the medical side, not the sword side). As you pointed Naruto won't actually need that (and that's even assuming he gets poisoned like he did in canon).
Are we really going to need torture techniques? There are other people who can specialize in that and our team is more assault based than information gathering based.
I don't think either are bad options, they both just seem to synergize better with other things or work better focused on their own.
I know right? I've played as an archer that could use any magic ammunition for his shots in a game once and it was really strong. Archer could be really good with our Sharingan to help aim and Fuinjutsu to pull surprise effects on our enemies as they try to pull the usual methods to avoid or deflect shots could be nice.
*sigh* If magic weapons really aren't likely to be a thing...
Couldn't we come up with different tags for various types of arrows, though? I still want my Green Arrow ninja. We can make archery work!
Even if magic weapons aren't a thing, using different tags and then touch seals for the arrows is entirely doable (and I see no reason why we can't do things like use seals to make the bow silent and maybe add other features). We could totally make a Green Arrow style ninja.
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Look, I am not trying to argue with you. I am stating my personal opinion of yet another seal user SI. Yes, sealing is useful. Yes, it doesn't require a bloodline. I get that, I really do. But if we start breaking space and making super exploding tags better than the standardized regular tags I may be dropping ship because it will go downhill from there.
[X] Plan Stab the Squishy Parts
Consider how archery works.Couldn't we come up with different tags for various types of arrows, though? I still want my Green Arrow ninja. We can make archery work!
It takes advantage of the fact that artificial materials can store more energy than the human arm can release at once in order to throw projectiles harder and faster than humans can, at a speed that is hard to dodge.
This isn't true in the Narutoverse.
Superhuman shinobi can throw stuff faster and harder than a wooden bow. Unless you can find and make superhuman bows, you're wasting your time.
There is a reason why Kidomaru literally forges his bow out of stuff that he secreted out of his body.
Bows are delicate and cumbersome. You can't let the bowstring touch water, you don't leave the bow strung when not in combat, I could go on.
Bows are two-handed weapons.No ninjutsu for you until/unless you master sealless casting, although Sharingan users at least can cast eye genjutsu.
Shinobi can duck underground, and generally fight where there is no clear lines of sight; too easy to neutralize them.
Remember, not even chakra-using Land of Iron samurai practice kyujutsu in Naruto, and the yumi bow is a traditional samurai weapon.
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[X] Plan Be a Wizard, which means "be prepared"
[x] - Fuinjutsu. Seals do all sorts of weird and wonderful shit. You want in.
[x] - Medical Ninjutsu. Your ambitions aren't compatible with being a full time medic, but some ability with them sounds like it could just save a life someday.
[x] - Fuinjutsu. Seals do all sorts of weird and wonderful shit. You want in.
[x] - Medical Ninjutsu. Your ambitions aren't compatible with being a full time medic, but some ability with them sounds like it could just save a life someday.
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While I agree that 'Magic Swords' probably aren't something we can just make, this is not entirely true. Minato's flying thunder god technique, for example, uses kunai with custom summoning seals inscribed on them, so we know for a fact that weapons can be altered to have unusual properties via sealing.
Also, even if we can't make 'A magic sword', we can probably use seals and ninjutsu in conjunction with swordsmanship in one way or another.
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Meh...if kyujutsu is out (and it looks like it isn't getting support) I'm leaning towards plan magic swords. Even if we can't use actual magic swords, I like the idea of being able to make seals and being really good at stabbing people.
For the rare problem that can't be solved by more stabbing...seals! (solves it with fire/boom/etc.)
For the rare problem that can't be solved by more stabbing...seals! (solves it with fire/boom/etc.)
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